Worst divers in the sport?

kryogen

richierichballs wrote: »

Ashley has got to be the worst, his diving yesterday was pathetic.

List some of the sports worst divers e.g. Ashley Young and Luis Nani.

Well there clearly isn't any bias in your head :rolleyes:

Nani? Afraid not buddy

To encompass a few teams

Young
Suarez
Drogba
Bale
Gerrard
Neymar


A **** load of Spanish players
A **** load of Portugal player
A **** load of Italians
A **** load of South Americans
A **** load of English

kryogen

Nailz wrote: »

The worst of the worst would have to be;

Ashley Young
Luis Suarez
Fernando Torres
Steven Gerrard
Jordi Alaba
Arjen Robben
Angel Di Maria
Franck Ribéry
Kyle fucking Lafferty
Neymar Jr.
Sergio Busquets
Sergio Ramos
Gareth Bale

I see you are a man who shares my intense dislike for the bolded player

Nailz

kryogen wrote: »

I see you are a man who shares my intense dislike for the bolded player

Who doesn't intensely dislike him?? Hateful character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iUDg6JEo0

Paul Tergat

City fan starts thread to have a go at united players shocker.

AdamD

Ashley Young and Damien Duff are the worst for 'drawing fouls', you just know they're going to ground sometimes, regardless of contact.

Will I Amnt

Adam Johnson is fairly keen to hit the deck too.

kryogen

Nailz wrote: »

Who doesn't intensely dislike him?? Hateful character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3iUDg6JEo0

I remember that, and honestly, in the heat of the moment, not thinking about the consequences.

You would absolutely have to smack him one, he earned it.

kryogen

AdamD wrote: »

Ashley Young and Damien Duff are the worst for 'drawing fouls', you just know they're going to ground sometimes, regardless of contact.

And tell me, not just you, people in general, is it just now people realise Young is a diver? I assume its cause they didn't get to see Villa as much as United or they obviously weren't highlighted as much.

He needs to cut it out or at least cut it down, at some stage he is going to cost us by being genuinely impeded but his reputation going against him and missing out on the decision, which could be pivotal in a tight game

dfx-

richierichballs wrote: »

Ashley has got to be the worst, his diving yesterday was pathetic.

List some of the sports worst divers e.g. Ashley Young and Luis Nani.

richierichballs wrote: »

Antonio Valencia is a disgrace also.

richierichballs wrote: »

Danny Welbeck, Luis Suarez and Bale.

You will eventually run out of United players. If you continue, it could be a very short thread.

DazMarz

One of the biggest legends of all time at Chelsea, but there were times when even Chelsea fans tired of Didier Drogba throwing himself around. The guy was built like a nightclub bouncer, yet the slightest of touches sometimes, and he'd be on the ground writhing in agony.

I distinctly remember being at a game in the Bridge where he was REALLY looking for an Academy Award nomination and even the home supporters were going ballistic over his antics.

That said, one of the best players ever to grace Stamford Bridge, a heroic figure in his native land and a scorer of some of the most crucial and vital goals for Chelsea. And on his day, probably the most unplayable centre forward in the League.

The_Kew_Tour

Actually how could I forget Drogba. For a guy who was a beast he went down so easily.

kryogen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Actually how could I forget Drogba. For a guy who was a beast he went down so easily.

That's what made his ones so comical/infuriating!

Nailz

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Actually how could I forget Drogba. For a guy who was a beast he went down so easily.

Instantly thought of that whole Drogba/Lehmann incident. You just had to laugh though; one's a tank and the other one's a lunatic.

Turtyturd

Drogba would be the main one for me...also find it strange that his performance against Barcelona a few years back gets praised so much when he spent most of it on his back. Maybe it's ok against certain opposition.

Nani would be another one for me.

And even though he comes from a country which lacks a diving culture and every player is honest Jack the lad Wilshere is fond of throwing himself to the ground.

Pawwed Rig

Noones mentioned Dida??? Alot of players dive but few have the gall to go all the way through to be stretchered off.

Seaneh

Daemos wrote: »

This is the one thing stopping him from being the best player in the world for me

Nonsense. Messi is the best in the world and he dives, despite the myth that he doesn't.

.jacksparrow.

Turtyturd wrote: »

Drogba would be the main one for me...also find it strange that his performance against Barcelona a few years back gets praised so much when he spent most of it on his back. Maybe it's ok against certain opposition.

Nani would be another one for me.

And even though he comes from a country which lacks a diving culture and every player is honest Jack the lad Wilshere is fond of throwing himself to the ground.

Ah now come on, with jack its he holds onto the ball too long and ends up getting creamed which is very frustrating for the arsenal fans believe me, they all get annoyed with him holding onto it too long getting fouled and the play breaks down, but he doesn't dive.

Giggsy11

Suarez
Neymar
Young
Balotelli - not sure what is considered as dive as people start vague argument about there was a contact BS. He goes down way too easily but since he is a "Character" he never gets called out.
Di Maria
Ronaldo
Gerrard

and many more. If the player goes down for even a small contact, supporters of that club says there was contact and if the opposition player goes down they say it's a dive.

Seaneh

Balotelli just gets fouled a lot.

Moneymaker

Surprised people have forgotten Gilardino's vs Celtic.

Seaneh

Moneymaker wrote: »

Surprised people have forgotten Gilardino's vs Celtic.

He's always been bad for it, since he came through at Parma.

Soups123

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Ah now come on, with jack its he holds onto the ball too long and ends up getting creamed which is very frustrating for the arsenal fans believe me, they all get annoyed with him holding onto it too long getting fouled and the play breaks down, but he doesn't dive.

I'm a Gunner and I think he does, it's not mentioned as much because its usually outside of the penalty area, he also has a Robbie Keane hand flaps about him

.jacksparrow.

Soups123 wrote: »

I'm a Gunner and I think he does, it's not mentioned as much because its usually outside of the penalty area, he also has a Robbie Keane hand flaps about him

You think he dives? That's strange can't say I noticed it, but maybe I'm been biased, ill have to look closer at this one!

gosplan

It's so overplayed in this part of the world though. Obviously diving is cheating but can anyone give me a rational explanation why diving is so reprehensible whereas there are yellow cards for cynical defensive fouls that 'you'd take all day long'??

NeVeR

I know he doesn't play anymore.. But the worst player i remember was Jürgen Klinsmann.

We use to slag him that he would dive on the run up to a peno.

Jürgen Klinsmann worst diver ever

.jacksparrow.

gosplan wrote: »

It's so overplayed in this part of the world though. Obviously diving is cheating but can anyone give me a rational explanation why diving is so reprehensible whereas there are yellow cards for cynical defensive fouls that 'you'd take all day long'??

Ye I know what you mean, like when a player brings down a player who is about to set someone up or something, pundits will say that's great play, he will take the card to stop the goal opportunity which is cheating too. Or when a keeper timewastes, its not really frowned upon even though its totally against the rules.

Soups123

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

You think he dives? That's strange can't say I noticed it, but maybe I'm been biased, ill have to look closer at this one!

I would say he goes down very easy at times, he drops more than dives! I've thought it for a while now if he was winning peno's I think he'd be called out by now

osarusan

Palace chairman looking for straight reds for dives.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24105809

"If preventing a goal-scoring opportunity is a straight red then trying to create one by cheating should be a straight red also," said Parish.

I'd prefer the rules were changed so that a player who concedes a penalty when fouling to prevent a goal scoring opportunity doesn't get a straight red. Outside the box maybe, but a penalty is often a better opportunity than the one prevented by a foul.

GavRedKing

Drogba is up there anyway, at times his antics were comical and down right annoying, even for Chelsea fans.

GLaDOS

Drogba was ridiculous at times. Always seemed to work as well, no matter how ludicrous it looked refs always seemed to give him the foul

Fuzzy_Dunlop

I can't say I've every noticed Wilshere diving. He is always getting fouled though, due to the way he plays I guess.

GavRedKing

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Drogba was ridiculous at times. Always seemed to work as well, no matter how ludicrous it looked refs always seemed to give him the foul

Alot of his free kicks were when he'd back into a guy, he'd wait until the ball is close to him and go down or over and he'd get the free, alot fo the time the guy was just stadning up to or trying tocompete with Drogba while he backed in but he was very good at doing it that it looked like defenders were being more physical with him then they were, in fairness it was probably Drogba doing all the pushing and just waiting for that one moment of contact to get a free, of course there was other times he'd go by a fella and with little contact hit the deck, that was less intelligent and blatant cheating all together.

AdamD

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

I can't say I've every noticed Wilshere diving. He is always getting fouled though, due to the way he plays I guess.

He tends to get the **** kicked out of him in every game, I definitely wouldn't say hes a diver. He does like a good moan and dance about getting fouled mind

SlickRic

5starpool

Gerrard has cut out all the Stevie Starfish stuff in the last few seasons thankfully.

Hammer Archer

The Israeli keeper (as Kew mentioned) Dudu Aouate was an embarrassment to football when we played them in Lansdowne. I remember him smacking Andy O'Brien in the back of the head and then rolling around on the floor resulting in poor Andy getting a straight red. Even worse was the fact that the red was upheld on appeal.

For West Ham, Vaz Te can be infuriating at times. At times he'll gladly throw himself to the ground in the box when scoring would probably be easier.

Seaneh

I honeslty think retro-spective red cards should be given for dives that the ref missed or awarded penalties for with the ban getting longer for repeat offenders.

GLaDOS

Seaneh wrote: »

I honeslty think retro-spective red cards should be given for dives that the ref missed or awarded penalties for with the ban getting longer for repeat offenders.

Always said this myself. Borderline cases would probably have to be judged in favour of the fouled/diving player, but if players know there's a risk of a ban if it looks obvious, possibly a long one, they'd be less willing to risk it.

Doesn't seem to be any will to tackle it from the higher ups though, who as usual are happy to stick their heads in the sand.

osarusan

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Always said this myself. Borderline cases would probably have to be judged in favour of the fouled/diving player, but if players know there's a risk of a ban if it looks obvious, possibly a long one, they'd be less willing to risk it.

Doesn't seem to be any will to tackle it from the higher ups though, who as usual are happy to stick their heads in the sand.

It's funny because so many players and former players go on about how we need to get diving out of sport, but the blindingly obvious solution has never even been close to getting off the ground.

Set up a committee of some kind that reviews all the games, and has the authority to ban players (say 5 games for a dive).

Properly implemented, it would go so far to solve the problem.

razorblunt

A red card for a dive is a dangerous game, it will add further scrutiny on the refs and officials and only lead to the numpties on Sky further enhancing their zoom in, rotate the camera, use that camera that's behind the goal on the keepers water bottle etc. to get a view and scream "how can the ref give that is beyond me". Though obviously that has decreased now Gray is gone, not so much with Alan Smith and Quinn around.

2 of the most blatant high profile dives for me are from the same player. Rivaldo.
Yes we've all seen the WC 2002, corner kick incident but in THAT game against Liverpool in 2005, he was fouled at the edge of the box (can't remember if it was an actual foul or not), he over-stated the injury, rolled on the floor, got treated, limped off. Then sprinted back on to take the free kick, scored and sprinted off celebrating in front of the Kop. All in all that just made the "take a bow son" goal better.

GLaDOS

razorblunt wrote: »

A red card for a dive is a dangerous game, it will add further scrutiny on the refs and officials and only lead to the numpties on Sky further enhancing their zoom in, rotate the camera, use that camera that's behind the goal on the keepers water bottle etc. to get a view and scream "how can the ref give that is beyond me". Though obviously that has decreased now Gray is gone, not so much with Alan Smith and Quinn around.

That's why it should be retrospective. As said above, a panel of 5 watching a replay should be able to determine with confidence if they think the player is diving. If they're not confident, no sanction is taken.

Seaneh

Also, only where the ref hasn't caught it in the match. If caught in the match the usual yellow should still apply.

inforfun

NeVeR wrote: »

I know he doesn't play anymore.. But the worst player i remember was Jürgen Klinsmann.

We use to slag him that he would dive on the run up to a peno.

Jürgen Klinsmann worst diver ever

That entire German team around that time was terrible for it.
Klinssman, Voller, Mattheus even their goalies were known for it.

They have come a long way for the entertainers they are now.


Suarez, while still at Ajax, was already diving more than was good for him. Refs copped on and i think in the end he lost more penalties and free kicks while genuinely having been brought down than he ever "won" by diving.

Skylinehead

Seaneh wrote: »

Also, only where the ref hasn't caught it in the match. If caught in the match the usual yellow should still apply.

And if justified, a retrospective ban as well. I understand that they can't really give a red ingame for fear of getting it wrong, but no excuses after the match. A yellow card isn't enough, particularly in game changing moments like the ManYoo/Palace match.

jacool

cson wrote: »

Young's dive was pretty shocking in that he kicked the Palace player to make it happen.

Are you blind? This just in from David Moyes "I don't want my players diving. It's not what I want. Dikgacoi definitely throws his leg out but Ashley put his leg into his leg."
Dunno what he said behind closed doors but this doesn't resemble what I saw, or does standing up in the penalty area constitute throwing your leg out?

Nalz

kryogen wrote: »

Nani? Afraid not buddy

Nani was inclined to go down a bit in his younger years at United but nowhere near anyone else mentioned here consistently.

Pepe LeFrits

jacool wrote: »

Are you blind? This just in from David Moyes "I don't want my players diving. It's not what I want. Dikgacoi definitely throws his leg out but Ashley put his leg into his leg."
Dunno what he said behind closed doors but this doesn't resemble what I saw, or does standing up in the penalty area constitute throwing your leg out?

I think you bolded the wrong part of the quote there fella.

darced

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jacool

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I think you bolded the wrong part of the quote there fella.

I was being facetious.

That was the part that Moyes was "definite" about! So I made him definite.

Pepe LeFrits

Fair enough.