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Would the rest of the UK survive a Scottish exit?

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  • #102
    ewan whose army
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭ewan whose army


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not just about Scotland it's about the effect on the UK of Scottish withdrawal as said in the thread title. That is very much about Northern Ireland.

    True but there is more than NI, England is more of interest since it boarders Scotland.

    I have no idea what is this is going to do to people like me, I am Scottish but I grew up in England so I don't really identify with England and I don't really identify with England (Culturally) , it was always Kayley's , St Andrew's Day, Burns Suppers (since my town is right on the Border and actually used to be Scotland and is about 20 miles from Dumfries) etc. I never knew when St.George's day was until I went to Uni in the West Mids and saw a load of pubs full of people in England shirts when there was no game one (I asked one of them and they were gobsmacked I didn't know, well I have never celebrated it)

    This independence thing could split up my family into different countries, my grandparents and Mum would be a different nationality from me all of a sudden (because the UK government ruled out any chance of independent Scots keeping their British passports)

    Personally I think the Union will crash if Scotland leaves, there is an underlying Separatist view in some walks in England, it just hasn't really been noticed but is getting loud thanks to the Scots. England doesn't give a flying monkey about Northern Ireland (There are alot of people in England who forget its part of the UK, the Riots over the flags never got mainstream coverage despite the fact that Riots elsewhere would)

    I wouldn't accept an English passport if that ever does happen, but by that point I would probably go for Irish nationality or something since my partner is Irish and my life is over here.

    I actually fear for the UK, the only reason why the Tories don't run away with a Majority is thanks to Scotland (there are more Pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs), imagine what a Tory majority of 40MPs would do to the UK !!!!! I dread to think, it would probably pull out the EU, waste money on Privatizing everything etc. I don't want to live in that. I also fear that more insane policies would get through like National Service etc.

    Anyway this is just conjecture, the Yes vote has slipped in the latest opinion poll its nearly below 30% with 55% No.


  • #103
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Who will get to vote?

    Will an Englishman in Scotland get a vote, but not a Scot in England?

    What about someone born in England to Scottish parents, or one Scottish parent?

    Then there's the military....

    I think most Scots will just decide there are too many unknowns, for little gain. The Scottish identity is very strong and Scotland has a high degree of autonomy already. Would independence change that to any great degree.


  • #104
    ewan whose army
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭ewan whose army


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Who will get to vote?

    Will an Englishman in Scotland get a vote, but not a Scot in England?

    What about someone born in England to Scottish parents, or one Scottish parent?

    Then there's the military....

    I think most Scots will just decide there are too many unknowns, for little gain. The Scottish identity is very strong and Scotland has a high degree of autonomy already. Would independence change that to any great degree.

    You just have to have lived in Scotland for the previous 3 years. So an Englishmen in Scotland can vote, but a Scotsman who moved to England can't


  • #105
    sfakiaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭sfakiaman


    "Would the rest of the UK survive a Scottish exit?"

    If taxes and revenues from Scottish resources are a major component of the UK revenue stream, ie the UK & NI gains substantially from the Scottish membership of the union then the UK will suffer substantial loss. However the NO side in the independence debate all say that Scotland cannot afford to go it alone and is subsidised by the rest of the UK. If the No side is correct then the UK will benefit from a Scottish withdrawal from the Union and will be better able to subsidise NI and Wales.

    The political effect on Westminster would probably be to ensure a fairly right wing government unhindered by the influence of Scottish Labour MPs, this could lead to political unrest in northern england and Wales where people might want equality with Scotland.

    Many of the points mentioned in the thread are simply scare tactics, things like MPH v KPH, passports, currency exchange, etc. and have no bearing on the UK's survival.

    From my point of view what a country requires for survival as an independent entity (whether Scotland, UK or Eire) is that it can feed itself, provide it's own water and power and produce goods and services to trade for the other things it requires that it cannot produce for its self. Scotland can do this, can the rest of the UK?


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