Washington shootings

MonaPizza

Thrill wrote: »

I'm only seeing reports on the one shooter at the moment. There were reports another guy in a tanned outfit but he has now been confirmed as not being a suspect.

Has this guy been deployed overseas and is now a PTSD case?

MonaPizza

MadsL wrote: »

What is this? CSI now?

If a city is under active attack from bombings, tell me why you wouldn't place it under martial law??

Seriously, half of what you post on the topic of the US should come with a free tin foil hat.

You're the tinfoil hat merchant with your outlandish over-the-top hollywood solutions to everything. Placing an entire city under lockdown is RETARDED and a complete experiment in crowd control just like militarising all aspects of American life to get the public used to seeing troops everywhere.

ardle1

MonaPizza wrote: »

Look, it's no secret that Americans feel they deserve special treatment over others. They feel that everyone should love them and worship them and want to be like them and when anyone expresses an alternate view they get all indignant and if someone expresses apathy or lack of interest they [Americans] bristle and trot out the "if it wasn't for us you'd be living in a labour camp or speaking German" or some crap.

And a lot of people go along with this fawning because they're afraid of being called "anti-American" if they don't.

Holy S#*t, I must be American, most of that sounds just like me:D

clairefontaine

ardle1 wrote: »

Holy S#*t, I must be American, most of that sounds just like me:D

I'll buy Mona Pizza his own tinfoil tiara, with red white and blue diamanté.

MadsL

MonaPizza wrote: »

You're the tinfoil hat merchant with your outlandish over-the-top hollywood solutions to everything. Placing an entire city under lockdown is RETARDED and a complete experiment in crowd control just like militarising all aspects of American life to get the public used to seeing troops everywhere.

Yes, it is retarded to attempt to protect people from exploding things. :rolleyes:

The rest of your post is CT type droolings about crowd control and brainwashing the public.

And hollywood solutions? How are they MY hollywood solutions, you've lost me.

o1s1n

155 posts in this thread, 40 by MadsL.

I tip my hat to your dedication :pac:

MonaPizza

MadsL wrote: »

Yes, it is retarded to attempt to protect people from exploding things. :rolleyes:

The rest of your post is CT type droolings about crowd control and brainwashing the public.

And hollywood solutions? How are they MY hollywood solutions, you've lost me.

How the HELL is forcing everyone to stay indoors while you search for an alleged bomber in anyway meant to "protect" them? You really have drank the koolaid haven't you.

MadsL

MonaPizza wrote: »

How the HELL is forcing everyone to stay indoors while you search for an alleged bomber in anyway meant to "protect" them? You really have drank the koolaid haven't you.

Because people are idiots who would be out rubbernecking.

Anyway, as per mod instructions I'm not entertaining anything other than the topic - I frankly shouldn't have replied earlier.

MadsL

o1s1n wrote: »

155 posts in this thread, 40 by MadsL.

I tip my hat to your dedication :pac:

Sorry, I've been busy. On a good day I can make over 50% on a thread.

leddpipe

usually like having the scanners on in the background for instances like this but they don't appear to be working!

Eh?

leddpipe

sorry, the online police scanners, if that indeed was directed at me!

My name is URL

leddpipe wrote: »

usually like having the scanners on in the background for instances like this but they don't appear to be working!

Police transmissions are encrypted in Washington afaik.

FOX News are actually getting some criticism for tweeting what was being said on the radio

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/09/16/washingtons-fox-station-tweets-navy-yard-events-from-police-scanner/

theGEM

My name is URL wrote: »

Police transmissions are encrypted in Washington afaik.

FOX News are actually getting some criticism for tweeting what was being said on the radio

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/09/16/washingtons-fox-station-tweets-navy-yard-events-from-police-scanner/

Don't think they are. I had a great night listening to the scanners during the Boston lockdown.

StinkyMunkey

Not thinking much of the security measures in place for such an important military building.

MadsL

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Not thinking much of the security measures in place for such an important military building.

It's a Naval Yard, including a museum open to the public. Not the Pentagon.

clairefontaine

theGEM wrote: »

Don't think they are. I had a great night listening to the scanners during the Boston lockdown.

Washington DC is different.

StinkyMunkey

MadsL wrote: »

It's a Naval Yard, including a museum open to the public. Not the Pentagon.

My mistake for thinking Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters is more than just the local ship yard with unrestricted access to every building and area. Guess the fact it has a museum means nothing of any importance happens there.

Witcher

I'm sure the Defence Forces here could give the US Navy some tips on securing a military installation, Aiken Barracks is Dundalk is watertight afterall:pac:

MadsL

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

My mistake for thinking Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters is more than just the local ship yard with unrestricted access to every building and area. Guess the fact it has a museum means nothing of any importance happens there.

It has restricted and unrestricted access.

You can get into the public areas by showing some ID.

What security measures should they implement to protect the courtyards? The shooter had a Naval ID granting access. Yes, the ID should have been revoked, but he only gained access to a cafeteria.

Your post is a bit like complaining about the security in Portsmouth when someone shoots up the Mary Rose gift shop.

Ush1

You don't need to get back access cards. Disable them with a few clicks if a mouse or even have them expire automatically.

Soby

Shooting near white house now ??

returnNull

Soby wrote: »

Shooting near white house now ??

the syrians are invading!!!

theGEM

Has Piers Morgan started his smug talk yet??

Witcher

Soby wrote: »

Shooting near white house now ??

Firecrackers apparently.

StinkyMunkey

MadsL wrote: »

It has restricted and unrestricted access.

You can get into the public areas by showing some ID.

What security measures should they implement to protect the courtyards? The shooter had a Naval ID granting access. Yes, the ID should have been revoked, but he only gained access to a cafeteria.

Your post is a bit like complaining about the security in Portsmouth when someone shoots up the Mary Rose gift shop.

Duh, silly me for thinking its a bit out of the ordinary for a whack job to stroll on a US military base packing heat to wage war should have to came up against more robust security measures. Guess the cafeteria is the weak spot on every military base. And its not like its close to the White House or anything. Everyone knows ID cards never expire, thats also no big security risk.

As for the Mary Rose gift shop, ive always said that was another 9/11 waiting to happen.

wonderfullife

Official records show that Aaron Alexis, 34, served in the US navy from May 2007 to January 2011. In 2010, while he was based at Fort Worth in Texas, he was arrested after discharging a firearm. In 2004, police in Seattle arrested him after what they described as an "anger-fuelled shooting".

"Alexis also told police he was present during 'the tragic events of September 11, 2001' and described 'how those events had disturbed him'."

Based on these initial reports you'd have to wonder was he offered or given the sort of help he may have needed. He obviously has previous for shootings, and i suppose if he was a responder to 9/11 he may have been messed up.

On the other hand, it also raises a few obvious questions. Edward Snowden went to great lengths to indicate the Big Brother operations in the US were pretty powerful. Well this guy obviously slipped under the radar.

I wonder is there too much emphasis on "foreign" threats and not enough on domestic - as in truth a lot of the recent mass-shootings and terrorist incidents have been domestic.

wonderfullife

Also it seems that the media have learned NOTHING from Sandy Hook or any of the other ones.

Same sh1t , different day.

Name the shooter within 6 hours (serves no purpose), plaster his photos all over the tv and media (why bother?), his name gets millions of hits on google within hours...............

We can't assume every nut who carries out atrocities wants to be infamous and go down in history........but i'm sure some do and they know they'll get it with the way the media operates now.

MonaPizza

The news reports are still stating that another gunman is being sought.

This is strange. This shooting has all the hallmarks of a guy who was on the edge. He was arrested in 2010 for discharging a weapon. Also in Seattle in 2004. He was discharged from the Navy Reserve.
Normally these kind of unhinged guys act alone.

MadsL

MonaPizza wrote: »

The news reports are still stating that another gunman is being sought.

This is strange. This shooting has all the hallmarks of a guy who was on the edge. He was arrested in 2010 for discharging a weapon. Also in Seattle in 2004. He was discharged from the Navy Reserve.
Normally these kind of unhinged guys act alone.

The news reports are still stating that another potential gunman is being sought.

Not quite the same.

But I totally agree on the idea of doing media blackouts on this stuff, the trouble is that people such as yourself MonaPizza will then start up with the conspiracy theories that there never was a shooter and it was a false flag yada yada yada.

Caonima

Just typical, on the eve of Grand Theft Auto 5, and this happens.... Fox will have a riot with this one...

'Murica

MadsL

Caonima wrote: »

'Murica

Do we have to do this? I think the joke has worn off...

Caonima

MadsL wrote: »

I think the joke has worn off...

Move along, so

Sunglasses Ron

MadsL wrote: »

Do we have to do this? I think the joke has worn off...

Why? If the US did not have a gun policy dictated by semi literate rednecks who do not have the backing of the majority of the people this incident would never have occurred.

The average Joe does not need guns.

China will never invade. The realistic concept of saving guns for an underground resistance movement died with the USSR.

MadsL

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Why? If the US did not have a gun policy dictated by semi literate rednecks who do not have the backing of the majority of the people this incident would never have occurred.

By semi-illiterate rednecks do you mean the majority of the American people who support US gun control policy and the 47% of households that actually own a gun? You predict that this incident would not have occurred...based on what?

The average Joe does not need guns.

The average Joe is who exactly? The guy who lives with a 15-30 minute police response time?

China will never invade. The realistic concept of saving guns for an underground resistance movement died with the USSR.

China? Who is suggesting that?

Davidth88

I was listening to the BBC reporting on this event this morning

They reported this chap had 2 previous gun offences ( or as the Americans would say offenses ) .

He joined the navy after the first offence , then was discharged after he committed another one.

But in the same report they are at pains that the guns were ' legally held ' !!

So someone who has previous has legally held automatic weapons .


Am I the only one who thinks this is just stupid ... but I suppose ( in moronic voice ' ... " YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS '


Doooohhhhhh

Caonima

Davidth88 wrote: »

but I suppose ( in moronic voice ' ... " YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS '

Or rather, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Not the same as every redneck in the country.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Caonima wrote: »

Or rather, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Not the same as every redneck in the country.

what does this mean then?

MadsL

Davidth88 wrote: »

I was listening to the BBC reporting on this event this morning

They reported this chap had 2 previous gun offences ( or as the Americans would say offenses ) .

He joined the navy after the first offence , then was discharged after he committed another one.

But in the same report they are at pains that the guns were ' legally held ' !!

So someone who has previous has legally held automatic weapons .


Am I the only one who thinks this is just stupid ... but I suppose ( in moronic voice ' ... " YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS '


Doooohhhhhh

As he would need a Class III firearms dealers license I doubt very much that he legally held automatic weapons.

His previous angry dischage of a firearm should have been more thouroughly investigated. Had he been charged and convicted he would have been disqualified from keeping a firearm.

Mocking the 2nd Amendment and reading it in a moronic voice really doesn't exactly add to the strength of your argument.

Davidth88

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

what does this mean then?

What it means is that you will continue to see headlines about lunatics running around committing mass murder in the USA.

But the NRA and people like that have deep pockets so don't expect this to change.

clairefontaine

Davidth88 wrote: »

What it means is that you will continue to see headlines about lunatics running around committing mass murder in the USA.

But the NRA and people like that have deep pockets so don't expect this to change.

It happens because we glorify violence. It's a solution to every problem going. The news is saturated with it, the government hamming on about bombs, Hollywood. It's ill. The culture is ill. The guns facilitate the illness, maybe the symptom of it, but not the cause.

MadsL

Davidth88 wrote: »

What it means is that you will continue to see headlines about lunatics running around committing mass murder in the USA.

Is that a problem confined to the US? Have there not been murders with firearms in Dublin and elsewhere in Ireland?

But the NRA and people like that have deep pockets so don't expect this to change.

Democracy is odd like that, people tend to get policies they wish for. If you feel that it is only the NRA keeping guns legal - why do 47% of American households own one? The NRA claims to have 4.5 million members, less than 2% of Americans.

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

It happens because we glorify violence. It's a solution to every problem going. The news is saturated with it, the government hamming on about bombs, Hollywood. It's ill. The culture is ill. The guns facilitate the illness, maybe the symptom of it, but not the cause.

Not like the rest of the world lap it up and spend billions supporting the gun-glorifying Hollywood output so that movie stars that make millions starring in such movies can then speak out about the gun culture now is it? Purely an American problem too

Sunglasses Ron

MadsL wrote: »

By semi-illiterate rednecks do you mean the majority of the American people who support US gun control policy and the 47% of households that actually own a gun? You predict that this incident would not have occurred...based on what?

I'm all for responsible people defending themselves with a handgun r double barrelled shotgun.

Why in the **** anyone needs a military grade weapon to take out a burglar is a different story.

China? Who is suggesting that?

My bad. The anti Chinese resistance theory has been abandoned in favour of Obama himself being the greatest threat and planning to put people in camps :pac: I honestly am not sure it is wise to allow people with this intelligence level to own guns. The usual conspiracy nuts were off at it before his attack had ended.

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

Not like the rest of the world lap it up and spend billions supporting the gun-glorifying Hollywood output so that movie stars that make millions starring in such movies can then speak out about the gun culture now is it? Purely an American problem too

Oh I agree with you there. Totally quick to get self riotous about the problem, then go home and play grand theft auto. Oh and burn some cats on holloween.

Manic Moran

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Everyone knows ID cards never expire, thats also no big security risk.

Eh? Mine expires next year.

Most US bases are "open bases." Conducting screening of the thousands/tens of thousands (depending on the base) of people who enter and leave every day is impractical.

That said, there is a hefty "head in the sand" philosophy. Events like the Ft Hood shooting or the Fort Dix plot should be driving into them that the gun restriction policies on bases don't necessarily make anyone safer. Especially when military installations are generally viable targets. Of course, DC is a special case as it's as near to the US's biggest gun free zone as makes no difference.

I suspect it will turn out to be a lone shooter, probably resident in VA or MD, and that the usual folks are going to come out and say the usual things.

clairefontaine

Manic Moran wrote: »

Eh? Mine expires next year.

Most US bases are "open bases." Conducting screening of the thousands/tens of thousands (depending on the base) of people who enter and leave every day is impractical.

That said, there is a hefty "head in the sand" philosophy. Events like the Ft Hood shooting or the Fort Dix plot should be driving into them that the gun restriction policies on bases don't necessarily make anyone safer. Especially when military installations are generally viable targets. Of course, DC is a special case as it's as near to the US's biggest gun free zone as makes no difference.

I suspect it will turn out to be a lone shooter, probably resident in VA or MD, and that the usual folks are going to come out and say the usual things.

I missed our presidents speech in how he could be Aaron Alwexis. Anyone catch it? I must have been taking out the trash at the time.

MadsL

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

I'm all for responsible people defending themselves with a handgun r double barrelled shotgun.

Why in the **** anyone needs a military grade weapon to take out a burglar is a different story.

Here we again, I'm simply not getting into this silly argument - read one of the other gun threads and please try to understand that for safety's sake everyone should buy "military" grade firearms...walmart own brand firearms would be a very very bad idea. Please try and disabuse yourself of the notion that Americans can simply buy automatic firearms - they cannot unless they are Class III gun dealer. That is completely uneconomic for the average American.

My bad. The anti Chinese resistance theory has been abandoned in favour of Obama himself being the greatest threat and planning to put people in camps :pac: I honestly am not sure it is wise to allow people with this intelligence level to own guns.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. If you wish to post polemic don't expect a response.

Davidth88

MadsL wrote: »

Is that a problem confined to the US? Have there not been murders with firearms in Dublin and elsewhere in Ireland?



Democracy is odd like that, people tend to get policies they wish for. If you feel that it is only the NRA keeping guns legal - why do 47% of American households own one? The NRA claims to have 4.5 million members, less than 2% of Americans.

You know I have been racking my brains , I can't remember the last time I read about a mass shooting in Ireland .( unless you go back to ' The Troubles ' which I think you would agree is slightly different )

Gun crime in Ireland ( and the UK where I am from ) is pretty rare , and to a great extent confined to a certain sector of the population .

The NRA from what I read have a huge influence ( disproportionate if you like ) on the policy makers in the US.

MadsL

Davidth88 wrote: »

You know I have been racking my brains , I can't remember the last time I read about a mass shooting in Ireland .( unless you go back to ' The Troubles ' which I think you would agree is slightly different )

Ireland no, but Europe plenty. And you never mentioned mass shootings, just gun crime.

Gun crime in Ireland ( and the UK where I am from ) is pretty rare , and to a great extent confined to a certain sector of the population .

Are you actually having a laugh??
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0913/474169-antrim/
4 days ago....

The NRA from what I read have a huge influence ( disproportionate if you like ) on the policy makers in the US.

Are they forcing almost half of American households to own guns?