If Oasis reformed...

eviltimeban

... would prefer the most recent line up (IOW Beady Eye with Noel), or the original five piece, with McCarroll, Guigsy and Bonehead?

I know what my answer would be. :cool:

lewisdhead

Me too.

homerun_homer

If Oasis reformed then I'd want to punch Noel for being a twat for agreeing to it. Liam can't sing anymore, their later output was extremely weak and they just don't have the spark they had back in the mid to late nineties.

Algeria

Classic lineup

Noel
Liam
Bonehead
Guigsy
Alan

eviltimeban

There was talk of them reforming in 2014 for 20th anniversary of Definitely Maybe... and they would play only that album.

Algeria

eviltimeban wrote: »

There was talk of them reforming in 2014 for 20th anniversary of Definitely Maybe... and they would play only that album.

a 20th anniversary WTSMG reformation looks more likely

karaokeman

I think it's inevitable they will reform at some point. I doubt the original lineup will reform as this would be preferable for a 20th anniversary tour of Definitely Maybe, which itself is unlikely because Noel is working on a new studio album and doesn't seem interested in reforming the group. Give it another few years till everyone's sick of NGHFB and Beady Eye and I'm sure they will have a Stone Roses-style reunion.

eviltimeban

It would only be interesting with the original line up, or at least with Alan White in the band. Otherwise its just Beady Eye, which I don't mind, but since I was an Oasis fan from "Supersonic" in '94, seeing the original line up would be a great nostalgia trip (I once passed up the chance to see them play the Tivoli in '94, in order to go see Ride instead. There's a connection for ya).

Algeria

eviltimeban wrote: »

It would only be interesting with the original line up, or at least with Alan White in the band. Otherwise its just Beady Eye, which I don't mind, but since I was an Oasis fan from "Supersonic" in '94, seeing the original line up would be a great nostalgia trip (I once passed up the chance to see them play the Tivoli in '94, in order to go see Ride instead. There's a connection for ya).

McCarroll can't drum for a start.

Plus don't they all hate him?

Shakti

I think they're doing weddings now,

Algeria

Noel's solo album was class, but Beady Eye are absolutely shocking.

Hannibal

Oasis' best line up musically was Noel, Liam, Gem, Andy and either Zak or Sharrock on drums. Personally I loved Zak's style on the two albums he featured on, Sharrock is an excellent drummer but only drummed on the last tour.
I've countless bootlegs of Oasis through the years and musically they were at their best when they ended, I know Liams voice has deteriorated to bits so ideally we could have the mid 90's Liam and the live line up from between 2005 to 2009.
The original line up produced an excellent debut album but McCarroll and Guigs are very average musicians, and Bonehead specialised in rhythm and barre chords and never attempted lead.
Oasis last two albums are unfairly critised by people who in truth probably haven't listened to them or were expected modern versions of Supersonic, DLBIA, Wonderwall etc. Musically the albums were at a high level but Turn Up the Sun apart there is a massive gaping hole in quality between Noels songs and those written by the other members. So the questions is why on Noels part would he bother? if he did should he go back to writing all the songs himself and the so-called dictatorship that Liam and Andy resent. I can't see Beady Eye coming back again, if they do they will be the new Ocean Colour Scene and be faded into the background. Gem will more than likely join up with Noel anyway

Drained_Empty

sure didn't noel play the bass on all recordings? wouldn't be surprised if he did the drums too

Hannibal

Drained_Empty wrote: »

sure didn't noel play the bass on all recordings? wouldn't be surprised if he did the drums too

Noel played practically the whole of SOTSOG on his own as he had to rerecord Guigs and Boneheads parts due to them leaving mid recording. If you listen to F**kin in the Bushes and Go Let It Out its basically Noel playing everything overlapped with Alan White on drums and Noel also co-produced the album. Paul Stacey added some guitar parts aswell
On Dig Out Your Soul I know Noel played drums on Bag It Up, Waiting for the Rapture and Soldier On so he's basically a one man band at times

eviltimeban

Hannibal wrote: »

Noel played practically the whole of SOTSOG on his own

Yeah and its their worst one!

I quite liked Dig Out Your Soul; but like some referred to, Ocean Colour Scene aren't far away. Very generic "dadrock", with bolted on "psychedelic" bits. Have said that I preferred DOYS to Don't Believe The Truth, which had a few good songs but was very generic. I also enjoy a bit of Heathen Chemistry, but I'm under no illusions that any of it is great or anything. Just 'pub rock bollocks' as the man himself once said.

Really, the first three are the ones - Be Here Now gets a ribbing now, but I remember when it came out and it was MASSIVE. That whole summer revolved around that album.

And the thrill and excitement of a band like them in '94 was great, esp after grunge had died a death via Kurt Cobain.

I give BE a chance; there's some inspired stuff on their new album, but they'll never be giving a chance to be any other than an Oasis knock-off. If Liam wasn't so concerned with rock n roll legend he'd do a solo album, and then he might have a better time with listeners, like Noel has.

Having said that Noel's solo album was preeety dull in places (lots of places) and he didn't try to do anything new; those songs could've been 'the Noel song' on any of the two previous Oasis albums. At least BE tried something slightly different, although still within the 'dadrock' confines and 60s worship and 'classic rock' and all that.

I doubt they'll make records again, but I'd love to see the old line up play. Once Liam gets some new vocal chords that is.

Hannibal

eviltimeban wrote: »

Yeah and its their worst one!

I quite liked Dig Out Your Soul; but like some referred to, Ocean Colour Scene aren't far away. Very generic "dadrock", with bolted on "psychedelic" bits. Have said that I preferred DOYS to Don't Believe The Truth, which had a few good songs but was very generic. I also enjoy a bit of Heathen Chemistry, but I'm under no illusions that any of it is great or anything. Just 'pub rock bollocks' as the man himself once said.

Really, the first three are the ones - Be Here Now gets a ribbing now, but I remember when it came out and it was MASSIVE. That whole summer revolved around that album.

And the thrill and excitement of a band like them in '94 was great, esp after grunge had died a death via Kurt Cobain.

I give BE a chance; there's some inspired stuff on their new album, but they'll never be giving a chance to be any other than an Oasis knock-off. If Liam wasn't so concerned with rock n roll legend he'd do a solo album, and then he might have a better time with listeners, like Noel has.

Having said that Noel's solo album was preeety dull in places (lots of places) and he didn't try to do anything new; those songs could've been 'the Noel song' on any of the two previous Oasis albums. At least BE tried something slightly different, although still within the 'dadrock' confines and 60s worship and 'classic rock' and all that.

I doubt they'll make records again, but I'd love to see the old line up play. Once Liam gets some new vocal chords that is.

SOTSOG is a better album than Heathen Chemistry. Noel was coming down from drug addiction and some of the songs reflect this and it doesn't hit you straight away like the other albums but F**kin in the Bushes, Go Let It Out and Gas Panic would stand up on any Oasis album. Problem with SOTSOG is it's too short when material like Let There Be Love, Revolution Song and Full On was either shelved or used as b-sides.

Be Here Now was massive because of the quality of their first two album but it was an overinflated mess, I have a version of it that was edited and took 20 minutes off it and it's almost listenable its called "Sonic Love Noize" if you want to google it. The material is there buried underneath the mess and 20 guitar overdubs on every songs.

Liam solo album?? Is that a piss take? He's written by my count 24 songs in 13 years. Songbird and Born on a Different Cloud are the only two that I would class as being good. The rest are pretty much heavy strumming/pounding on a guitar.

The reason I used OCS as an example was they had excellent albums in the mid 90's and all fantastic musicians and no one gives a sh*t about them and that's why I compare Beady Eye to them apart from having two.

Anyway Oasis won't be reforming anytime soon, Noel has material ready to go and what I've heard is pretty good, he sold out arenas rather than theatres on his recent tour. Liam needs Noel a hell of a lot more than Noel needs Liam.

eviltimeban

I won't hear a bad word said about Be Here Now!

And yes Go Let It Out is fantastic, my favourite Oasis single, but SOTSOG is rubbish!

Hannibal

eviltimeban wrote: »

I won't hear a bad word said about Be Here Now!

And yes Go Let It Out is fantastic, my favourite Oasis single, but SOTSOG is rubbish!

Be Here Now is great on a first listen but it's over the top, every song is too long. I think there's easily 20 layers of guitars on every song and All Around the World has 3 key changes. Seriously though get hold of that Sonic Love Noise version.

Go Let It Out, F**kin in the Bushes, Gas Panic, Roll It Over plus Where Did It All Go Wrongmade half the album very good. The album fell down because it only had 10 tracks, F**kin in the Bushes although a mega song is more of an intro rather a proper songs then take PYMWYMI, Little James and I Can See A Liar and you've got prob 3 of the worst tracks to feature on an Oasis album so far me half the album is top notch but 4 out of 10 songs are a joke.

For the record songs like PYMWYMI, Little James, I Can See A Liar, Love Like a Bomb, All in the Mind, Be Here Now, A Bell Will Ring, Hung in a Bad Place, Ain't Got Nothin and Better Man (the one Liam wrote) are a stain on the record of Oasis for ever being allowed to appear on an album. Considering on singles all through the years Noel had much better songs as b-sides and songs like Revolution Song and Come On It's Alright were left off albums is mind boggling. Instead of having sections of their 7 albums as patchy they could have easily filled every one of them with top quality songs.

I was listening to Beady Eye's latest album the other day and Liam's voice is that bad on the record I doubt he would be even able to do a full tour. Having heard the multi tracks of Dig Out Your Soul, Noel was pretty much shadow vocaling him the whole way through to patch him up.

To sum this thread up Oasis won't be reforming in the nest 5 years for me.

eviltimeban

I heard that Sonic Love Noize but nah, its missing the point really! Be Here Now was all about the hugeness of it, the cocaine, the "want a 10 minute track? Let's 'av it!" The self-belief and the summation of the craziness of the previous three years for the band. Its not like you listen to Beggar's Banquet and think "if only it were less sleazy" - the whole point of it is what it is. Whether you like it or not is another matter. Where would they have gone if they'd made an album with the Masterplan and Stay Young and Rockin Chair on it? Who knows. But they did what they did and at the time it was mega, it was perfect for that summer.

SOTSOG is just *dull*. You mention Roll It Over - one of the dullest songs they ever did. Sure, FITB and GLIO are great, even the "psychedelic" one was OK (Who Feels Love) and a little part of me just plain likes Little James - but for the most part I feel its just so dull because of the Noel-sung songs.

Anyway we've gone off track here a bit - they probably will reform at some point in their existence. I personally would like to see Ride to another album, "MBV" style.

Oh and "Better Man" is class! :-)

Hannibal

eviltimeban wrote: »

I heard that Sonic Love Noize but nah, its missing the point really! Be Here Now was all about the hugeness of it, the cocaine, the "want a 10 minute track? Let's 'av it!" The self-belief and the summation of the craziness of the previous three years for the band. Its not like you listen to Beggar's Banquet and think "if only it were less sleazy" - the whole point of it is what it is. Whether you like it or not is another matter. Where would they have gone if they'd made an album with the Masterplan and Stay Young and Rockin Chair on it? Who knows. But they did what they did and at the time it was mega, it was perfect for that summer.

it's doesn't matter where they would've gone with them songs but it took them what 7 years to recover from Be Here Now and release Don't Believe the Truth. The point about Be Here Now is that once you've listened to it and even now it's not an album that I pull out to listen to because it has no substance, don't get me wrong My Big Mouth, IHITIK, TGITDS, Dont Go Away are all solid tracks along with the singles but the rest is muck, the b-side Flashbax is a top song off AATW. Most of the raw material is there but it's basically ruined. There is a set of demos around of the songs but some "fan/collector" won't release of sell them except for clips. Even the version of AATW from 1992 would've been interesting to hear in the vein of Definitely Maybe

eviltimeban wrote: »

SOTSOG is just *dull*. You mention Roll It Over - one of the dullest songs they ever did. Sure, FITB and GLIO are great, even the "psychedelic" one was OK (Who Feels Love) and a little part of me just plain likes Little James - but for the most part I feel its just so dull because of the Noel-sung songs.

Anyway we've gone off track here a bit - they probably will reform at some point in their existence. I personally would like to see Ride to another album, "MBV" style.

Oh and "Better Man" is class! :-)

Roll It Out is a great song to end the album with or any album with, would've loved to see Noel and Gem perform the solos live.

Little James has lyrics a child would write it's these type of lyrics is what you'd expect One Direction to come with if they were allowed to write their own songs.
I'd regard say Songbird, Meaning of Soul, For Anyone as better examples of Liam being plain maybe even simplistic in how he writes songs.

As much as I'd love to see them live and how mega they were live in 2009 I just unfortunately can't see it. Noel has too much material there for him to even bother. I'd expect one off shows like Led Zepp and Pink Floyd have done. Oasis could easily have been the next Stones and The Who and are probably the only top rock band left that could fill their touring shoes that has members under 65.

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Algeria wrote: »

McCarroll can't drum for a start.

Plus don't they all hate him?

Just Noel

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Ever listen to the live disc on the Time Flies compilation? Liam`s vocals are absolutely shocking.I now use it as a tea mat.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Beady Eye + Noel and Alan White is the lineup I'd like to see play again one day. I'd leave it for at least another ten years though, it's been too soon and I want to see more from NG's solo career first.

Whether they'll ever record material as a band again is something I wonder about. If I were Noel I don't think I'd be too keen to do so.

chucksandstorm

Are Oasis important enough of an act that people should be looking for them to get back together?

Surely with Noel's solo stuff and Beady Eye there is more than enough new material of the same standard and sound out there.

eviltimeban

chucksandstorm wrote: »

Are Oasis important enough of an act that people should be looking for them to get back together?

Of course. I'm not sure if you were around in 1994 when they first hit, but believe me, they had a huge impact, and were probably as important for UK guitar music as Nevermind was for US guitar music. They had a huge cultural impact and were very close to breaking America when the wheels started to come off.

super_furry

It's been no time really since they split it and a very long time since they made a great record.

eviltimeban

super_furry wrote: »

It's been no time really since they split it and a very long time since they made a great record.

you could argue they only made one, maybe two "great" records.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Just been listening again to Standing on The Shoulder Of Giants tonight. What a quality album, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love, Gas Panic, Sunday Morning Call Where did it all go wrong. If they had added One Way Road and Lets all Make Believe it would have been a classic.

Hannibal

Kingsley Melodic Detective wrote: »

Ever listen to the live disc on the Time Flies compilation? Liam`s vocals are absolutely shocking.I now use it as a tea mat.

Agreed. Some of the songs he wasn't even singing the whole lot. Funny that the two officially released Oasis live albums have Liam sounding so bad, on Familiar to Millions they had to use vocal tracks from a gig in Japan and on Gas Panic some of the album version of Liams vocals can be heard in the background.

Time Flies was odd in that the Roundhouse gig was widely available on bootleg due to it being broadcast so the live disc should prob have been the gigs at either Heaton Park or Slane as these were top notch gigs and not availablein good bootlegs

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Beady Eye + Noel and Alan White is the lineup I'd like to see play again one day. I'd leave it for at least another ten years though, it's been too soon and I want to see more from NG's solo career first.

Whether they'll ever record material as a band again is something I wonder about. If I were Noel I don't think I'd be too keen to do so.

Chris Sharrock is a member of Beady Eye aswell so him + Alan White would be two drummers. Personally I'd rather Zak Starkey back to be honest, thought his drumming style on the last two albums was deadly almost marching band like.

Noel will prob release more solo material around this time next year so that will keep him busy for at least 2 years

DEFTLEFTHAND

Hannibal wrote: »

Agreed. Some of the songs he wasn't even singing the whole lot. Funny that the two officially released Oasis live albums have Liam sounding so bad, on Familiar to Millions they had to use vocal tracks from a gig in Japan and on Gas Panic some of the album version of Liams vocals can be heard in the background.

Time Flies was odd in that the Roundhouse gig was widely available on bootleg due to it being broadcast so the live disc should prob have been the gigs at either Heaton Park or Slane as these were top notch gigs and not availablein good bootlegs


Chris Sharrock is a member of Beady Eye aswell so him + Alan White would be two drummers. Personally I'd rather Zak Starkey back to be honest, thought his drumming style on the last two albums was deadly almost marching band like.

Noel will prob release more solo material around this time next year so that will keep him busy for at least 2 years

Starkey had a falling out with Noel during the DOYS recordings. Something to do with him touring with The Who at the same time of the proposed Oasis tour.

I agree he suited the later Oasis style, Don't Believe The Truth in 05 was the first time that I actually noticed real drumming on an Oasis album. Alan White complained with Heathen Chemistry that Noel lowered his sound on the finished version, he packs quite a sound live.

eviltimeban

For me Starkey was plod plod plod but then again White was also a bit plod plod plod...

No, the true drummer of Oasis was... TONY!