water fast

Alf Veedersane

thegreatiam wrote: »

probably should not bite down on a 20kcal poo. even with a shield.

Not even if you''ve been eating a lot of sweetcorn?

thegreatiam

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not even if you''ve been eating a lot of sweetcorn?

nah, gets stuck in your teeth

dpp v mcgee

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Isaac Newton used to stick pins in his eyes, just to see what'd happen.

Sticking pins in your eyes and fasting are not the same thing?

Drained_Empty wrote: »

hi dpp, I know you said to google it and look at youtube videos but can you link me to the best source in your opinion on this, or exactly the protocol you are sticking to.

It does sound ridiculous. And dangerous. I will set my stall up here so there is no doubt.

If you are going to drink exactly tap water and nothing else for 14 days, which is essentially starvation not fasting, I think you should at least be taking some kind of mineral supplement so you receive your daily recommended potassium and sodium. Otherwise you are going to massively dilute the chemical balance of your body, causing a hyponatremic and hypokalemic state.

Higher state of conciousness? nirvana? heightened state of awareness? detox? I think you'll go through all of cramps, nausea, hunger, confusion, lethary, irritation before you find any euphoria.

Be careful in any case!

I didn't say tap water. I will be drinking bottled water only. No I don't have a best sourced link. I have been reading about it over time and I have based my opinion on the testimonies of people who have actually done it.

On that note I was once fasted in hospital prior to an operation. The fast continued for 5 days afterwards. The nurses and I were concerned that I didn't feel the need to eat. The doctor asked how I felt and said terrific. He told me I could continue the fast until I felt the need to eat. I asked whether there would be any dangers to which he told me that it was absolutely safe and that fasting is very good for the body and could be practiced in excess of 5 days.

dpp v mcgee

thegreatiam wrote: »

About half way through you get the mental epiphany that youre hungry and that anyone who needlessly starves them selves is a muppet.

Some people just need to experience this realisation first hand rather than simply accepting the fact.

I'll tell you why some morons have such strong held beliefs against this. Its not that they have studied this over time or that they're specialists in this field its because they have come to the conclusion that they have discovered the perfect diet and anything that challenges that belief directly challenges their moral sensitivity. They're the perfect example of a zealot.

begod

I did it for two weeks while working. Felt a bit light headed at times and some headaches but other than that no problems.

The feeling of hunger goes after a day or two and even after the two week fast I felt I could go on for another two weeks.

I felt great during the fast and after it. Always have water on hand and drink plenty of it.

It was great to be able to clean the slate as such think about the foods you eat and how they affect your health. The most important part is the foods you return to eating after your fast, make sure you return to a healthy diet in the long term.

My sense of smell and taste was enhanced when I returned to eating and was able saviour food and eat more slowly than before.Healthy foods tasted way better and fasting helped get rid of my huge sugar, caffeine cravings etc.

My tongue was white for the duration of the fast and I had some spots which from reading online is your body getting rid of toxins which is what it did feel like however this is not proven as fact.

The fast did wonders for the digestive system and really felt like my body got a good break and rest for a while and when I returned to eating the plumbing worked a lot better.

As for clarity I did feel more restful and happier in myself, again from reading on this the reason for this could be from your body releasing endorphins to help you through the fast maybe a kind of caveman instinct in that you need to feel good in order to go hunt and find more food and again not proven as fact.

Would definitely recommend it for any healthy person, whether it detoxes you I'm not 100% sure but it does let you take a break and reassess your eating habits.

Also a common argument for fasting is that when you are sick you lose your appetite and this is your body conserving energy from digestion and using this energy to heal itself and that this same effect happens during fasting by giving our body a chance to focus on other things other than digestion which takes a lot of effort and energy.This does make sense but again not 100% proven.

It helped me go from a bad diet to a good one by wiping the slate clean and starting from fresh, mentally I felt great, any discomfort was gone after a day or two. I worked during the fast and its not a sedentary job.

Many people are surprised that you can fast for long periods of time without any ill effects but I would not recommend fasting for weight loss, this is a wrong way to look at it and most of the weight lost is probably just fluids and will return, you need to have a long term approach to a healthy diet and see fasting as a method to starting and achieving that.

I now do a two week fast in January each year after the Christmas excess and it gets me back on track and feeling alot better.

colman1212

I really really just don't get it... what is wrong with people?

Person 1: I feel like crap, I want to feel better.
Person 2: Don't eat for 2 weeks, You'll feel great!
Person 1: That sounds like a great idea!

How can not eating for 2 weeks possibly fix something?
How about trying eating good healthy food for 2 weeks, drinking lots of water and training regularly. Then maybe get a blood test if you want to see if you are lacking in an area. Would that not sound like a more reasonable thing to do? No, Clearly thats sounds ridiculous. lol

Theresalwaysone

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

I'll tell you why some morons have such strong held beliefs against this. Its not that they have studied this over time or that they're specialists in this field its because they have come to the conclusion that they have discovered the perfect diet and anything that challenges that belief directly challenges their moral sensitivity. They're the perfect example of a zealot.

The human condition never ceases to amaze me. The mental gymnastics that require someone to come to the point of writing this post are astounding.

That and they simply refuse all rational and critical thinking.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I hibernate for the winter, feel great after

Regards

Yogi

dylbert

fasting helped get rid of my huge sugar, caffeine cravings etc.

Just giving up sugar and caffeine will do this, no need to fast.

The fast did wonders for the digestive system and really felt like my body got a good break and rest for a while and when I returned to eating the plumbing worked a lot better.

You said you started eating a healthy diet after the fasting, maybe the healthy diet helped your digestive system and the fasting had nothing to do with it?

Would definitely recommend it for any healthy person, whether it detoxes you I'm not 100% sure but it does let you take a break and reassess your eating habits.

A healthy person shouldn't need to detox.

It helped me go from a bad diet to a good one by wiping the slate clean and starting from fresh,

Why not just start eating healthy without the fasting?

blatantrereg

Hatfry wrote: »

The sympathetic nervous system will be dominant throughout the fast and will bring with it increased focus and mental clarity.

That's what I think will happen too.

"When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight it concentrates his mind wonderfully." - It's the same principal here. Your body will react to the apparent prospect of imminent death.

thegreatiam

No person needs to enforce a detox. You have organs in your body to do it for you. That is their function, fasting will not assist them in any way and may indeed hinder them.

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

I'll tell you why some morons have such strong held beliefs against this. Its not that they have studied this over time or that they're specialists in this field its because they have come to the conclusion that they have discovered the perfect diet and anything that challenges that belief directly challenges their moral sensitivity. They're the perfect example of a zealot.

Ive read this over and over and I can only come to one conclusion...it makes no sense.

None has a strong held belief against fasting. fasters have a strong held belief for fasting.

Noone needs to study it or be e specialist in it to know that going hungry for 2 weeks is a bad idea, it's built into our genes at the basic level to not go hungry for that long.

There is no perfect diet, only zealots think so.
the closest thing to a perfect is balanced and varied, the very thing which is the opposite of zealotry.

And disbelief in something is not zealotry. Blind belief beyond all normal reason is

amazingemmet

thegreatiam wrote: »

No person needs to enforce a detox. You have organs in your body to do it for you. That is their function, fasting will not assist them in any way and may indeed hinder them.

While I agree fasting won't help you detox. I'd debate the need for detoxing. But to detox you need to know what you're toxic for and apply a proper regime to it. e.g if you're toxic for Aluminium you need to be taking in large quanities of magnesium sterate to chelate the aluminium. But this required proper testing and not just wishy washy catch all evil toxins.

Mellor

amazingemmet wrote: »

While I agree fasting won't help you detox. I'd debate the need for detoxing. But to detox you need to know what you're toxic for and apply a proper regime to it. e.g if you're toxic for Aluminium you need to be taking in large quanities of magnesium sterate to chelate the aluminium. But this required proper testing and not just wishy washy catch all evil toxins.

Agreed. There are toxins that can build up the the body that our body's can't cope with on their own. For example heavy metals.
However, this is rare, and very specific. And most importantly, if somebody has a build up like this, after a two week fast they'll still be toxic and now hungry on top of it all.

Chancer3001

For 14 days I'm going to eat or drink nothing except water and cat meat.

I have no scientific back up or anything, but I've a bit about it online and everyone who did it got really clever and focused and ripped.

So, assuming there are enough stray cats around ( I already have the bottled water) I'm going to do this.

Helps you detox as well (again, no data, just what the other guys who did it said)

Should be sweet,


Heeeeeeere puss puss puss

Orla K

I wasn't going to reply because by the time I got onto post the thread went completely down the toilet, it's seemed to have crawled it's way partially out again. Another reason why I wasn't going to bother replying is because I know your not going to pay any attention to what I've got to say, because your mind is already made up that fasting is da bomb(not your actual words)

The main problem with no food intake is muscle catabolism, which is unavoidable, even if you've got a body fat % of 50. It might sound fine, 'I don't mind if I lose a bit of bicep, it won't be much anyway' That's grand but it takes it from the heart muscle too, which depending on how healthy/unhealthy that is could be a problem. Muscle catabolism happens mostly in the early and later stages.

The other main issue I'd have with it is it raises cortisol and norepinephrine these are two stress hormones and are probably the reason people report feeling good. But these being high can cause a load of bad stuff to happen in the body. They're not hormones you want to mess around with. They are probably there as a last resource so that our ancestors had enough energy and focus to get food before they died from lack of it.

Also if you do decide to do go ahead with it make sure you take sodium, calcium, magnesium, potassium and phosphate it seems to show blood levels normal in cellular levels get depleted quickly.

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

I'll tell you why some morons have such strong held beliefs against this. Its not that they have studied this over time or that they're specialists in this field its because they have come to the conclusion that they have discovered the perfect diet and anything that challenges that belief directly challenges their moral sensitivity. They're the perfect example of a zealot.

This could also read as

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

I'll tell you why some morons have such strong held beliefs for this. Its not that they have studied this over time or that they're specialists in this field its because they have come to the conclusion that they have discovered the perfect detox diet and anything that challenges that belief directly challenges their moral sensitivity. They're the perfect example of a zealot.

Only changed one word against to for and added in detox in front of diet, because I can't justify calling it a diet, detox diet was best term I could think of.

I don't really believe in one diet fits all, everyone has different issues with their bodies and different lifestyles it would be foolish to recommend the same thing but a good place to start for anyone is to eat real food not food made in factories.


OP, from what I can see your choices are
Do the fast
Don't do the fast

If you do the fast try to get a blood test before and after, it would be interest for people to see was there any difference

You also have a choice
Stick around this forum
Don't stick around this forum

I might get a few raised eyebrows but I think you should stick around, there's loads intelligent people here that you could learn from and then there's things that people could learn from you.

begod

dylbert wrote: »

Just giving up sugar and caffeine will do this, no need to fast.

I didn't say anyone needed to fast to do so and of course you can give them up without fasting, I'm just saying I gave fasting a go and one of the benefits was that bad cravings quickly went away and it made it a lot easier to eat healthy when you do stop fasting.

dylbert wrote: »

You said you started eating a healthy diet after the fasting, maybe the healthy diet helped your digestive system and the fasting had nothing to do with it?

Felt great during the fast and after the fast. I've spent periods of time eating healthy but did not feel the same benefits of just feeling lighter, less sluggish, more energy, sleeping better, more rested, more clarity, better skin (after a few days) and just generally feeling better.

dylbert wrote: »

A healthy person shouldn't need to detox.

What I'm saying is if you're not in full health it would obviously be best to consult someone first. I'm not a fan of the word detox and believe the body can probably do that job itself all though probably under stress at times especially after a Saturday night. I just found I felt great during and after fasting if that's through getting rid of toxins etc. I don't know and there certainly doesn't seem to be much scientific proof online, all I know is I felt great and have a better appreciation for good healthy food especially after a time of indulgence like Christmas.

dylbert wrote: »

Why not just start eating healthy without the fasting?

I was curious about fasting, tried it out, felt great and it let me think about what I was putting in my mouth and the effect it was having on my health so that when I ate again I didn't want to start to put crap in my mouth again. I found it was a great way of transitioning to a healthy diet by starting from scratch as oppose to stopping one way of eating one day and starting a new way of eating the next.Of course someone can just start eating healthy but I just found a lot of other benefits with fasting first but of course everyone to their own.

WrigleysExtra

dpp v mcgee wrote: »

Is it possible to undertake a water fast while working? I'm going to do a 14 day one for health benefits.

I have not read through the thread but that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

kilkenny12

Well OP, have you started yet? Interested in your experience so far, if you have.

Ignore the sceptics! There's countless testimonials across the web on the benefits of fasting. I know that anecdotal evidence holds little weight and people want scientific proof and sh!t but if it works, it works.