Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

banquo

Last two episodes to be 75 minutes long!

http://entertainment.time.com/2013/09/18/amc-will-supersize-final-episodes-of-breaking-bad/

lukin

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

D-FENS

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging fro this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

Eh, no.

jester77

banquo wrote: »

Last two episodes to be 75 minutes long!

http://entertainment.time.com/2013/09/18/amc-will-supersize-final-episodes-of-breaking-bad/

That article is BS, the tweet clearly states that the episodes are 75 minutes with commercials: .. 75 mins each w/commercials...

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

jester77 wrote: »

That article is BS, the tweet clearly states that the episodes are 75 minutes with commercials: .. 75 mins each w/commercials...

Yes, but they are still going to be in the 60 minute mark - an extra 15 minutes each. Not to be sneezed at.

Sinfonia

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

I did mention in the episode thread that Ozymandias might have been the climactic point, with the last two episodes fulfilling the role of an epilogue that ties up the storyline nicely, but I expect they'll do a lot more than that.
Certainly not filler.

jester77

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »

Yes, but they are still going to be in the 60 minute mark - an extra 15 minutes each. Not to be sneezed at.

Don't underestimate US commercial breaks.

Sinfonia

jester77 wrote: »

Don't underestimate US commercial breaks.

Especially for a show with huge viewership and in its last two episodes.
That extra time could honestly be all ads.

Torqay

AMC may want to milk their best cash cow with two more commercial blocks. Couldn't blame them

Wacker The Attacker

Todd gets an extra half hour to have another crack at Lydia.

Tugboats

Think Vince said awhile back about 7-8 minutes extra for the last 2 episodes.

lukin

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Todd gets an extra half hour to have another crack at Lydia.

I hope she cuts his balls off.

Wacker The Attacker

lukin wrote: »

I hope she cuts his balls off.

Durrrrrty

Wacker The Attacker

Torqay wrote: »

AMC may want to milk their best cash cow with two more commercial blocks. Couldn't blame them

Definitely not. You gotta make hay while the sun shines. Opportunites like this are few and far between

TheSetMiner

I reckon Lydia will meet Todd, see Jesse and persuade Todd to let him go. They'll probably ride then for the duration of the episode until Walt comes on the scene like some sordid porno.

Wacker The Attacker

TheSetMiner wrote: »

I reckon Lydia will meet Todd, see Jesse and persuade Todd to let him go. They'll probably ride then for the duration of the episode until Walt comes on the scene like some sordid porno.

Just as I thought we'd invented every kind of porn. Meth Lab porn is a new one on me.

Dman001

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

While the chase between Hank and Walt was brilliant this season, from a series perspective I'm much more interested in the relationship between Walt and Jesse, and how it will be resolved. It has been a turbulent relationship over the last five series, and so am eager to see how it will end. Will Walt track and kill Jesse, will he save him, will he let him rot where he is?? We've seen Walt use and manipulate Jesse, but he has also shown signs of caring for him too. Was any of it ever genuine? It's the only "Loose end" so to speak I'm interested in seeing being tied up.

DrumSteve

TheSetMiner wrote: »

I reckon Lydia will meet Todd, see Jesse and persuade Todd to let him go. They'll probably ride then for the duration of the episode until Walt comes on the scene like some sordid porno.

Comes on the scene... heh heh heh.

Torqay

TheSetMiner wrote: »

like some sordid porno.

You have a point there, or why else would she stalk around the desert in 5" stiletto heels.

Tombo2001

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

I would agree to some extent with this.

Hank has been there from the start. Walt was out on Hank's drug bust at the start of the show when he met Jesse hiding out....

Now Hank is gone, and the principal adversary is a Johnny Come Lately gang of so called Nazis that have no back story.

Tombo2001

Dman001 wrote: »

While the chase between Hank and Walt was brilliant this season, from a series perspective I'm much more interested in the relationship between Walt and Jesse, and how it will be resolved. It has been a turbulent relationship over the last five series, and so am eager to see how it will end. Will Walt track and kill Jesse, will he save him, will he let him rot where he is?? We've seen Walt use and manipulate Jesse, but he has also shown signs of caring for him too. Was any of it ever genuine? It's the only "Loose end" so to speak I'm interested in seeing being tied up.

I reckon Jesse has way too much smarts for Todd and will soon be out of that situation, but who knows.....

Wacker The Attacker

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I reckon Jesse has way too much smarts for Todd and will soon be out of that situation, but who knows.....

Its kind of difficult to be too smart when youve been locked in a meth lab by a psycho.

snausages

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

The big question for me has always been Walt, themes of family, legacy, empire and hubris. The whole Hank thing comes closer to being 'filler' for me.

Wanderer2010

Still cant understand people wanting a final showdown or resolve between Walt and Jessie! That ship has sailed, their last scene was Walt turning the screw by admitting he let Jane die, sneering in his face and watching him get marched off to be tortured and killed. There is no remorse or empathy left, and for all Walt knows, Jessie is now dead and buried. Even if he came across him with the Nazis, any turnaround or moral change would be extremely insulting to the audience not to mention a bad reflection upon the scriptwriters. Walt has gone past the point of any decency or compassion now and Jessie is old (and in his eyes, dead) news.

Mocha Joe

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Still cant understand people wanting a final showdown or resolve between Walt and Jessie! That ship has sailed, their last scene was Walt turning the screw by admitting he let Jane die, sneering in his face and watching him get marched off to be tortured and killed. There is no remorse or empathy left, and for all Walt knows, Jessie is now dead and buried. Even if he came across him with the Nazis, any turnaround or moral change would be extremely insulting to the audience not to mention a bad reflection upon the scriptwriters. Walt has gone past the point of any decency or compassion now and Jessie is old (and in his eyes, dead) news.

Of course people want a final resolution for Jesse and Walt. I want Jesse to kill Walt.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

I want Jesse to kill Walt.

Pinkman is a stupid f***tard and better be removed from the gene pool. He has proven his weakness and inferiority again and again over 60 episodes, missed plenty chances to kill Walt (hell, he couldn't even bring down Walter White with the help of two seasoned law enforcement officers, intead he had them killed). Why should that change the in the final two episodes?

Should I point out for you that the spin off is not telling the adventures of Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete?

A Primal Nut

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

I think that's what makes it so interesting. So many things got resolved in the last episode that you almost think what could possibly happen next. Nobody knows and the only clue is the flashbacks and that Jesse is locked up.

jethro081

Torqay wrote: »

Pinkman is a stupid f***tard and better be removed from the gene pool. He has proven his weakness and inferiority again and again over 60 episodes, missed plenty chances to kill Walt (hell, he couldn't even bring down Walter White with the help of two season law enforcement officers, intead he had them killed). Why should that change the in the final two episodes?

Should I point out for you that the spin off is not telling the adventures of Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete?

Jesse is for me, the most sympathetic character in the show. He is the only one who seems remorseful for the things that he has done, and his character arc has been as engrossing as walts for me.

Also, surely walt is the stupid ****tard as he got his brother in law killed, leaving himself face down in the dirt weeping having given away his "empire" earnings, in a bid to save a man who said himself that he was already dead.

I want resolution to jesse's story, as much as i want resolution to walts, though i hope both resolutions are very different. I'd like to see jesse experience some sort of cathartic closure, and be in a position to move on and have a decent life.

I hope walt dies roaring.

mightyreds

Whatever happens I hope walt is standing tall in the end and decides to take control of his empire again, since hes lost everything else, but thats not gonna happen.

A Primal Nut

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Still cant understand people wanting a final showdown or resolve between Walt and Jessie! That ship has sailed, their last scene was Walt turning the screw by admitting he let Jane die, sneering in his face and watching him get marched off to be tortured and killed. There is no remorse or empathy left, and for all Walt knows, Jessie is now dead and buried. Even if he came across him with the Nazis, any turnaround or moral change would be extremely insulting to the audience not to mention a bad reflection upon the scriptwriters. Walt has gone past the point of any decency or compassion now and Jessie is old (and in his eyes, dead) news.

He showed in his last episode that he still has some campassion (Hank and then his family). What else is Walt possibly doing in the flashback apart from rescuing someone? And who is in need of being rescued - Jesse.

The last episode tried to make it less obvious by having them hate each other more than ever.

But Walt will have some realisation or something will happen to make him change his mind. Something we've all missed.

Mr.SlumDuck

lukin wrote: »

I know I'll probably get an awful slagging for this but to be honest with you I am not too bothered about the last two eps now.The big question for me coming up to the end of the series was how things would finish up between Hank and Walter (would Hank find out and would Walter be caught).
That issue was resolved in the last ep so what comes after is just filler. Anyone else feel like this?

Marie.

Quixoticelixer

A Primal Nut wrote: »

He showed in his last episode that he still has some campassion (Hank and then his family). What else is Walt possibly doing in the flashback apart from rescuing someone? And who is in need of being rescued - Jesse.

The last episode tried to make it less obvious by having them hate each other more than ever.

But Walt will have some realisation or something will happen to make him change his mind. Something we've all missed.

Taking vengeance on Jack and his gang seems more plausible right now than a rescue mission for someone he currently despises. One of Walt's biggest weaknesses is his ego, he's too proud not to take vengeance on the Nazi group.

banquo

Part of me thought that Walt would change for the better, but it would be too late and he'd be killed anyway. Tragedy, etc. But this is just turning into "Yeah, Marie was right. He should just kill himself.

Tagline for Ep 15: "Events set in motion long ago move toward a conclusion."

Evil_g

Who wrote Heisenberg on the wall of Walt's house in the flashback?

The only person I can think of who would do that is Jesse.

Why was Walt's house boarded up and his Neighbour so scared of him?

I think something terrible happened in the house.

Jesse really hates Walt right now. Walt can't rescue him even if he wanted to.

I think Jesse goes after Walt's family.

banquo

Another thing I just read: Apparently AMC haven't confirmed that 'Felina' is actually the title of the last episode, all that's based on is a grainy shot of Marie holding a script that says 'Felina'.

Madame K

I just saw a preview for this episode. I expect I will experience more emotional turmoil than the last two episodes combined.

D-FENS

Evil_g wrote: »

Who wrote Heisenberg on the wall of Walt's house in the flashback?

The only person I can think of who would do that is Jesse.

Why was Walt's house boarded up and his Neighbour so scared of him?

I think something terrible happened in the house.

Jesse really hates Walt right now. Walt can't rescue him even if he wanted to.

I think Jesse goes after Walt's family.

I don’t think Jesse would do that, no matter how much he now hates Walt.

As for the house, surely it’s just a case that it’s now become public knowledge that Walter White is on suspected drug lord on the run for killing two DEA agents, hence why he neighbour was so scared.
The graffiti artist was likely just some kid, maybe even the skater boys in the pool outside or maybe some tweaker fan of the blue paying homage like he was at Jim Morrison’s grave.
It was just meant to symbolise that the game is finally up and his big secret is out

vitani

jethro081 wrote: »

JI want resolution to jesse's story, as much as i want resolution to walts, though i hope both resolutions are very different. I'd like to see jesse experience some sort of cathartic closure, and be in a position to move on and have a decent life.

I wonder can he, though? He was going to be ok with Hank because he cut a deal with him in exchange for giving Walter up, but surely the police have some idea of his involvement in the meth empire now and I doubt he has any leverage left to get himself off. Even Saul is not that good. So if Walt does rescue him, or he escapes from the Nazis somehow, he'll have to go on the run.

I suppose that could be an ok ending for him if he comes to terms emotionally with all that's happened.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Pinkman is a stupid f***tard and better be removed from the gene pool. He has proven his weakness and inferiority again and again over 60 episodes, missed plenty chances to kill Walt (hell, he couldn't even bring down Walter White with the help of two season law enforcement officers, intead he had them killed). Why should that change the in the final two episodes?

Should I point out for you that the spin off is not telling the adventures of Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete?

What a load of nonsense.

Torqay

When has Pinkman ever done anything smart on his own initiative? He has yet to apply himself.

FloatingVoter

Jesse has been tied up like The Gimp in Pulp Fiction by Todd. Its therefore obvious that Bruce Willis will appear soon with a Samurai sword and have words with them both.
That or the Lydia porn flick idea suit me.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

When has Pinkman ever done anything smart on his own initiative? He has yet to apply himself.

He outsmarted Walt in the last couple of episodes to get him arrested. Hank and Gomez ending up dead because of the Nazis was hardly down to Jesse being stupid.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

He outsmarted Walt in the last couple of episodes to get him arrested. Hank and Gomez ending up dead because of the Nazis was hardly down to Jesse being stupid.

Sorry, but you're wrong there. It was Hank who outsmarted Walt with the buried money. He only used Jesse for his little ruse with burning the cash.

Mocha Joe

Torqay wrote: »

Sorry, but you're wrong there. It was Hank who outsmarted Walt with the buried money. He only used Jesse for his little ruse with burning the cash.

Sorry but you're wrong there. It was Jesse's idea.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Magnets bitch! Jesse's finest hour.

gosplan

I think this fanciful notion of Walt coming back for vengeance on the Nazi gang is wrong. Walt wouldn't even know how to take them on. He's wanted and has no decent contacts left with no place to hide or plan.

Even the M60 doesn't fit well. Sorry to dissappoint but Walt is not going to take people on in a massive firefight.

Otherwise, anyone think that Jesse might pull the same 'gassing' trick that Walt did to Crazy 8? Pointed reference two episodes back to Todd keeping on his gas mask during the cook. That has to be going somewhere.

The simplest conclusion is the most likely. Jesse escapes, enraged by Walt getting away with it and the admission about Jane, he takes Walts family. Remember everything Jesse has done in the last few weeks has been about making Walt pay. Though Walt is gone from his family, Jesse sees that he's gone with 10 million and still gotten away with everything, including the added responsibility of Jane's death.

Jesse contacts Saul who gets in touch with Walt through the carpet cleaner guy who knows where he is.

Walt comes back, arms himself, and also gets the ricin to go and meet with Jesse because he doesn't know how or when his chance will come to kill him.

Cue huge dramatic ending involving Walt, Jesse and Walt's family.

Dolbert

^This is pretty much exactly how it'll turn out IMO.

Torqay

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Sorry but you're wrong there. It was Jesse's idea.

LOL... Did you even watch episode 14?

Pinkman: Yo, man, you can't just give up on this.

Hank: Who said we're giving up?

Gomie: What do you got?

Hank: Just thinking about what Babineaux said about the van being dirty and the shovel that Walt had with him. I'll bet you 10-to-1 he buried that money.

Gomie: No kidding. So what? There's a whole lot of desert out there. How are we gonna find the right spot? You said it yourself, there's no GPS on the van.

Hank: Yeah. But Walt doesn't know that.

vitani

Torqay wrote: »

LOL... Did you even watch episode 14?

It was Jesse's idea to use the money to get him in the first place though. That's why they went after Huell and faked Jesse's death.

Torqay

vitani wrote: »

It was Jesse's idea to use the money to get him in the first place though. That's why they went after Huell and faked Jesse's death.

Jesse didn't even know about the money being buried. Jesse's splattered brains was Hank's (not their) idea to deceive Huell.

Jesse in his stupidity screwed up at the Plaza.

Jesse's "smart" ideas of taking down Walt involve such subtle methods as burning down his house.

D-FENS

It was also Jesse's idea to rob the train the way they did.
And anyway, who cares if he's not a genius like Walt (The fact they were were so opposite was the key to their on screen chemistry and a huge selling point on the show for most people).
He's a thick c*nt really, but a likeable thick c*nt with a good heart, I hope he makes it.