Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

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banquo wrote: »

I've actually been dreaming about Breaking Bad.

Join the club.

krudler

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Brilliant episode, I thought. Brilliant way to tie in Gray Matter and highlight the real crux of the Heisenberg issue. I don't think that Walt is coming for Gretchen and Elliott, I think it's simply a catalyst for what's to come. It serves as a trigger for Walt. He doesn't want to die, alone and pathetic in a cabin in the arsehole of New Hampshire, with his whole empire collapsed around him. He wants to have a legacy and would rather go out in a blaze of glory than to just fade away. Having the Gray Matter stuff rubbed in his face on television is just reigniting a fire in him. He wants to be remembered as somebody.

That's it, he's said multiple times it can't all be for nothing so go out in a blaze of glory instead of fading away, Walt is completely egotistical, even if he didnt start off that way.

I'm back on the fence about Walt, Cranston was phenomenal this episode, especially on the phone to Walt Jnr.

Kinda disappointed if whoever trashed the house and wrote Heisenberg on the walls was just random kids, I thought it would have more meaning (assuming it does and we just haven't seen it yet)

Rosy Posy

Quixoticelixer wrote: »

Why on earth would Walt kill them anyway? I don't think he's ever killed anyone for ****s and giggles, or he's never killed anyone just because they disrespected him. Walt has pretty much only ever killed to protect himself, or to protect those he cares about. He only kills in scenarios he views as "kill or be killed". He may be pissed with Gretchen and Elliott but he has no reason to kill them, he has bigger fish to fry anyway...

He killed Mike because he insulted his pride. He could have let him drive away into the sunset and continued as he did but he shot him anyway.

I'm not certain that Walt would go after Gretchen and Elliot in an obvious way, he might try to damage the reputation of the company maybe, but I do think that he's capable of revenge killing.

FouxDaFaFa

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Todd could turn his back on his boys in favour of Lydia and then she throws him under the bus or something?

I can't work out if he likes her (if he's even capable of that) or if he sees his next pet when he looks at her, so it would be very hard to tell if he would take on his family to protect her.

banquo

"Tell me about the mice, Uncle Jack."

Dman001

banquo wrote: »

I've actually been dreaming about Breaking Bad.

Working 8 hours today, knowing the latest episode was up online was more painful than waiting the previous 6 days for the episode! Obsessed isn't the word! Gonna have to wait up next week and watch the finale. Avoiding the internet all day next Monday isn't an option!

The internet seems to be abuzz that Walt is going out to get Gray Matter, and the ricin is intended for Gretchen and Swartz. Even for Walt, Killing someone like that and driving thousands of miles just because they bad mouthed him on TV doesn't seem plausible to me. The motivation just doesn't sit right with me. Gray Matter has gone, and that ship has sailed for him. What isn't gone yet is the Heisenberg name and reputation, one he can resurrect for one last hurrah and showdown. Bare in mind, Walt was chocked up about killing Mike a while back - someone he constantly fought with and never saw eye-to-eye. Would he really go to such lengths and planning to kill an old friend (and girlfriend if I remember right?). Doesn't make sense to me.

IvaBigWun

Basq wrote: »

Watched it before work this morning - definitely the calm before the storm!

Lads, I've had to delete probably 10 - 12 posts with links to live streams..

.. I know ye are all excited to watch it, but this sort of stuff is not on!

Have warned a number of users and you're lucky I didn't take out the banhammer for the finale!

No more of this next week please - you have been warned!

Basq wins Fairest Boards Mod award.

When we were all frantically posting links last night I was thinking "uh oh!" :pac:

Mocha Joe

I don't think there'll be anymore Grey Matter stuff next week. What's the point?

Grimebox

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Basq wins Fairest Boards Mod award.

When we were all frantically posting links last night I was thinking "uh oh!" :pac:

If you check the other threads, this was the only time we got caught...

IvaBigWun

hynesie08 wrote: »

So after absolutely hating last weeks episode, they completely won me back. The finale is now 90% set up for me and I actually cannot wait to see how it goes.

Last week's was one of the top 5 all time great BB episodes

Paully D

P.Walnuts wrote: »

It's strange to think that Todd has been such a dominating figure in the final series, a fantastic character.

He's a really good actor is Jesse Plemons. Excellent in Friday Night Lights too. As soon as I seen his name in the cast last year I knew he'd be a great addition.

Dave!

krudler wrote: »

That's it, he's said multiple times it can't all be for nothing so go out in a blaze of glory instead of fading away, Walt is completely egotistical, even if he didnt start off that way.

I'm back on the fence about Walt, Cranston was phenomenal this episode, especially on the phone to Walt Jnr.

Kinda disappointed if whoever trashed the house and wrote Heisenberg on the walls was just random kids, I thought it would have more meaning (assuming it does and we just haven't seen it yet)

It's a pretty juvenile thing to do, I can't imagine any of the main characters would do something like that

It does have meaning, anyway - the whole Heisenberg mythology, Walt's empire/legacy, ego, etc.

hoodwinked

Mocha Joe wrote: »

I don't think there'll be anymore Grey Matter stuff next week. What's the point?

i don't know remember when he was arguing with Jesse at his house about needing to do better than Grey matter money wise.


i think for him they were the start of all this and thats where it will end.


i think the ricin

is for those two,and i think he goes gun crazy on the nazis and it end with a massive shoot out and no survivors!

Dave!

Jesse will survive the shootout a-la Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs!

Mocha Joe

hoodwinked wrote: »

i don't know remember when he was arguing with Jesse at his house about needing to do better than Grey matter money wise.


i think for him they were the start of all this and thats where it will end.


i think the ricin

is for those two,and i think he goes gun crazy on the nazis and it end with a massive shoot out and no survivors!

He won't kill them. Makes no sense.

PurpleSt4in

Andrea's death got me bad. Holy fcuk.

the_monkey

Alanhooly wrote: »

So Grey matter is where the 'Granite state' name came out of?

Granite = Grey

State = A state of matter in science terms

'Grey matter'.

I know it ultimately doesn't matter (pun not intended ) but I wonder if there is anyone out there that put together that Grey Matter may have played a huge role in stopping Walt/Heisenburg from lying down. Pointless but slightly interesting all the same. What's next week's finale called?

Granite State is New Hampshire

ballsymchugh

Grimebox wrote: »

If you check the other threads, this was the only time we got caught...

are the streams actually illegal though? just wondering, it's not like sky wanting to shut down frontrowsports.

banquo

Preeetty sure it's copyright infringement!

Looking back, after last night's episode the title ''Live free or die'' for the first episode of the season, opening in New Hampshire was incredibly forward thinking.

DAMN it's good. It's SO GOOD.

Jimmy Iovine

I loved Todd in this episode. Not his actions but the acting. Jesse Plemons is fantastic.

For a totally different look at him on screen, here's a video of him performing with his Christian death metal band on Friday Night Lights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgIxixJjyHU

ballsymchugh

banquo wrote: »

Preeetty sure it's copyright infringement!

Looking back, after last night's episode the title ''Live free or die'' for the first episode of the season, opening in New Hampshire was incredibly forward thinking.

DAMN it's good. It's SO GOOD.

you'd imagine AMC/netflix would try harder.

thought the opening scene of season 5 was back in Denny's in ABQ, he just had the New Hampshire driving license.

the gun he gets isn't leaving town

Dicky Pride

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Some people are just spoilt rotten.

IvaBigWun

Grimebox wrote: »

Fan

Fúcking

Tastic

:pac:

banquo

ballsymchugh wrote: »

you'd imagine AMC/netflix would try harder.

thought the opening scene of season 5 was back in Denny's in ABQ, he just had the New Hampshire driving license.

the gun he gets isn't leaving town

Ah, my bad, you are correct. It merely referenced NH.

IvaBigWun

aya startin wha wrote: »

cant believe its all over next week, fair dues to vince gilligan, he must be walkin around like his dick is the size of a childs arm.

i want more i know that it wouldnt be as good if they milked it.

:pac:

IvaBigWun

Standman wrote: »

Remember it was never revealed what this mysterious 'incident' was between Gretchen and Walt that made him leave Gray Matter and his promising career behind.

Interesting. There might be an interesting flashback scene and big twist to all this yet

murpho999

ballsymchugh wrote: »

you'd imagine AMC/netflix would try harder.

thought the opening scene of season 5 was back in Denny's in ABQ, he just had the New Hampshire driving license.

the gun he gets isn't leaving town

Eh, you do know that Netflix don't make this show but just have the rights in UK & Ireland?

expectationlost

the guy who plays badger was on talking bad http://www.amctv.com/talking-bad/videos/brian-johnson-adam-scott-and-matt-jones-on-who%e2%80%99s-to-blame-talking-bad said it was all jesse's fault for not thinking his actions through, escaping etc

IvaBigWun

Alanhooly wrote: »

Sorry for posting 4 times consecutively but for anyone that is/has been playing GTA5, have a look at this. You can basically play as Walter White

http://kotaku.com/you-can-play-gta-v-as-breaking-bads-heisenberg-basica-1335445084

Brilliant

Someone took the time to "build" this as a usable character

Kylo Ren

Don't leave me, Breaking Bad




I absolutely hate Todd, but he is a sweetie too.

P.Walnuts

For all the poeple saying Grey Matter has no real relevance to the story/Heisenberg...

Didn't Walt tell Jesse that he had to make more than Grey Matter was worth or something to that effect?

Apologies if I completely imagined that happening

banquo

I think his departure from Gray Matter is when he became Walter White. And I think he sees being Walter White as the part of his that has to die.

hidinginthebush

Is it just me, or was that episode not 75 mins? Or is the 75 factor in allowance for ads in the states?

Brilliant episode, almost found myself warming to Walter again!

ballsymchugh

murpho999 wrote: »

Eh, you do know that Netflix don't make this show but just have the rights in UK & Ireland?

them having the rights in the UK and Ireland would make it more in their business to block the streaming sites. just like what sky did by getting the main ISPs in the UK to block firstrowsports. (well, they managed it for a few minutes)

NicoleL88

hidinginthebush wrote: »

Is it just me, or was that episode not 75 mins? Or is the 75 factor in allowance for ads in the states?

Brilliant episode, almost found myself warming to Walter again!

It's 75 mins including breaks in the states. Actual episode was just over 53 minutes.

John Dodger

jaykhunter wrote: »

Hmm. After so many life-shattering, heavy-hitting episodes, I was underwhelmed by this one. Maybe it's being devastated after last week's, but the story was quite slow settling into Walt's new life. Walt still has to make his play for Jack's gang and the Jesse story will have to intertwine. This ep did bring up a great point though, how can he legitimately get the money to his family? They can't just suddenly have millions, and even with a legitimate front & many car washes they couldn't hope to launder that much. Anyway, here's hoping for a bloodbath and Breaking Bad to go out in a blaze of glory leaving us (happily) emotionally devastated.

Skyler no longer has the car wash or the house. All their assets have been frozen.

Fred Swanson

This post has been deleted.

IvaBigWun

NicoleL88 wrote: »

It's 75 mins including breaks in the states. Actual episode was just over 53 minutes.

Its a bit like the "extended" finales of Lost, they seem to supersize them to make more money on the ad breaks

John Dodger

batistuta9 wrote: »

how long would people say passed in that episode?

will the next episode just start with walt buying a car & heading back

At least 2 (because of the glasses) & probably 4 months (the flash forward was about 4 months ahead).

Torqay

I'd say at least 3 months. Ed didn't know about the chemo when he dropped Walt off in New Hampshire, so Walt probably asked for it at Ed's first monthly visit. On the next visit Ed missed the vein so this was at least his third visit.

Not much longer either, the New Hampshire ski season goes from mid-December to mid-March and we have seen snow all along.

Alanhooly

the_monkey wrote: »

Granite State is New Hampshire

I know but surely there is some sort of double meaning for it. Its too much of a coincidence.

It doesn't matter anyway but I felt as intelligent as Mr.White when I first realised it so don't take it away from me. Please.

Alanhooly

I might end looking a clown for this in the end but, can people please stop suggesting Walt is going to take the ricin himself.

Why would he want to sh*t himself to death over a prolonged period when he could just end it all in a second if he wanted to. It wouldn't be the most pleasant and convenient way of going!

Alanhooly

So, how many of you have gone back to episode 1 of season 5 in search of stuff that may make sense at this stage? :P

manyoung

banquo wrote: »

I think his departure from Gray Matter is when he became Walter White. And I think he sees being Walter White as the part of his that has to die.

Interesting point. I think that Walter White existed when he rang the DEA, however he soon diminished when he saw the interview. Just like MacBeth, there is no turning back and Heisenberg is going to make sure his contribution is noticed.

Based on he trailer and key quotes form the episode, I think the following topics will return : family, cancer, legacy. You get the picture.

Interesting point about why he left Grey Matter. As we know Walt is an exceptional scientist, but who is to say he has not dabbled in meth at this period?

April O Neill

Anyone else not loving the "Todd loves Lydia" storyline?

Essien

P.Walnuts wrote: »

For all the poeple saying Grey Matter has no real relevance to the story/Heisenberg...

Didn't Walt tell Jesse that he had to make more than Grey Matter was worth or something to that effect?

Apologies if I completely imagined that happening

He said he was in the empire business, he never specifically said anything about making more than them. He did however point out that their worth was in the billions. How exactly do you think Walt is going to go from $11m to billions in a few short months?

As I've already said GM have no place in the finale, they don't even nearly deserve it and I'll be a little sick if they get any screen time at all.

Ardent

LionelNashe wrote: »

Apart from Walt's hair growing a couple of centimetres, nothing really happened in that episode.

Jesse got out of his cage and now he's back in his cage. Andrea is dead and the Nazis are threatening Brock whereas last week they were threatening both Andrea and Brock; not a big difference. Walt went to New Hampshire and now he's presumably coming back from New Hampshire. Flynn was shouting at Walt last week and he's shouting at him this week. All the main characters are back where they were a week ago.

Yep, another filler episode. Boring wouldn't begin to describe it.

Quixoticelixer

Essien wrote: »

As I've already said GM have no place in the finale, they don't even nearly deserve it and I'll be a little sick if they get any screen time at all.

Yep. Maybe he'd go after GM if there were 5 or 6 episodes left. It's not relevant with one episode left. It would only serve to be unnecessary and unwanted filler in the finale, and I'm not really sure why anyone would want to see the story go off on this bizarre tangent in the final episode.

Vinz Mesrine

Ardent wrote: »

Yep, another filler episode. Boring wouldn't begin to describe it.

Maybe you should stop watching this and start on shows like Big bang theory to hold your attention a bit better, christ almighty.

laugh

The opening scene of the last episode is Todd and Lydia in the sack? She is poisoned at some point? Having Lydia die is the kind of punishment the audience need to see Todd receive but only if she means more to him than at present (for greater effect she should also be pregnant.).

- Walt knows Pinkman is probably alive because of the quality of the Meth.
- He knows Lydia is involved with the Nazis because the Meth is still making it's way to eastern Europe.
- He will want to go out in a way that clears Skylar.