Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

IvaBigWun · 24-09-2013 10:00pm

I hate to say it, but I felt a bit "meh" to Andrea's shooting. Her and Jesse never felt like as much of a couple (chemistry wise) as Jesse and Jane did.

And with that, here's a picture of Krysten Ritter

Jikashi · 24-09-2013 10:01pm

Wonder if the final twist of the series will involve the true identity of Flynn's unseen buddy Lewis

P.Walnuts · 24-09-2013 10:02pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

I hate to say it, but I felt a bit "meh" to Andrea's shooting. Her and Jesse never felt like as much of a couple (chemistry wise) as Jesse and Jane did.

And with that, here's a picture of Krysten Ritter

Agree

IvaBigWun · 24-09-2013 10:04pm

Jikashi wrote: »

Wonder if the final twist of the series will involve the true identity of Flynn's unseen buddy Lewis

Not a chance. I think people are getting into Lost territory and reading into things too much

syngindub · 24-09-2013 10:06pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Not magic at all.

Modern Canon's have wifi nowadays

Who the hell is Sol by the way?

my bad..saul

IvaBigWun · 24-09-2013 10:06pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Agree

In fact Id go as far to say as she was the most miscast actor/actress of the entire show, they never looked like a couple

Son0vagun · 24-09-2013 10:10pm

I'd recommend watching mr magorium's wonder emporium, twice. The comparisons are uncanny.

ElizaT33 · 24-09-2013 10:11pm

Yea I think Everyone reading way too much into the Finale - I think will be much more interesting to Wait and See ...... AND I SERIOUSLY CAN'T!!!

Apart from the odd criticism, overall the VAST majority on here IMO find the writing of this Series outstanding.. seriously outstanding. I've never been so passionate about a TV series EVER ...!

And me, I'm 42 (female), an avid fan, my sons (21 and 19), avid fans, my older brother (51) and ALL his family, avid fans ..... just saying!:D

Sunday dins has a lot of excited conversation around these parts..!:)

Tombo2001 · 24-09-2013 10:16pm

my guess is the Nazis are going to kidnap Walt Jr and use him as a ruse to trap Walt.

That's why Walt wants the guns.

But the Nazis will trap Walt in the process. The conclusion will be the Nazis telling Walt and Jesse that one of them will survive, the one that can cook the highest quality. Jesse cooks the better meth and Walt is killed.

Tombo2001 · 24-09-2013 10:19pm

IvaBigWun wrote: »

In fact Id go as far to say as she was the most miscast actor/actress of the entire show, they never looked like a couple

it was hard to reconcile her with the meth addict prostitute Jesse was with in episode one.

ElizaT33 · 24-09-2013 10:19pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

my guess is the Nazis are going to kidnap Walt Jr and use him as a ruse to trap Walt.

That's why Walt wants the guns.

But the Nazis will trap Walt in the process. The conclusion will be the Nazis telling Walt and Jesse that one of them will survive, the one that can cook the highest quality. Jesse cooks the better meth and Walt is killed.

I have a feeling Skylar or Marie will kill Walt in the end - after he brings all the money to them! He's got to go down ........... and I think it will be a passion kill, as opposed to a business one ....

And if so, the irony will be that the cancer NEVER killed him! The entire SERIES will have been in vain .... LOL

banquo · 24-09-2013 10:27pm

A fitting end if the cancer doesn't kill Walt, he's so meticulous that he'll almost certainly die on his own terms.

Don't think it'll happen, but it would be kinda cool if he rescued Walt Jr!

P.Walnuts · 24-09-2013 10:33pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

my guess is the Nazis are going to kidnap Walt Jr and use him as a ruse to trap Walt.

That's why Walt wants the guns.

But the Nazis will trap Walt in the process. The conclusion will be the Nazis telling Walt and Jesse that one of them will survive, the one that can cook the highest quality. Jesse cooks the better meth and Walt is killed.

Sorry, but that makes pretty much zero sense.

Tombo2001 · 24-09-2013 10:35pm

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Sorry, but that makes pretty much zero sense.

well boo hoo to you

EDIT: Sorry, but boo hoo to you I should say.

ElizaT33 · 24-09-2013 10:38pm

An interesting watch is Justin Theroux's episode on the Crystal Meth epidemic in the USA - really brings home the level of addiction of this drug and the realities the police deal with - no wonder Walt is the Most Wanted Man ATM:eek:. It's a good parallel to watch

P.Walnuts · 24-09-2013 10:38pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

well boo hoo to you

EDIT: Sorry, but boo hoo to you I should say.

Honestly though, why would the Nazis want to get Walt, after like a year?

They have no idea he is coming for them (presuming they are on the hit list)

James McNulty · 24-09-2013 10:40pm

ElizaT33 wrote: »

An interesting watch is Justin Theroux's episode on the Crystal Meth epidemic in the USA - really brings home the level of addiction of this drug and the realities the police deal with - no wonder Walt is the Most Wanted Man ATM:eek:. It's a good parallel to watch

Louis Theroux!

ElizaT33 · 24-09-2013 10:45pm

James McNulty wrote: »

Louis Theroux!

It's been a long day - sorry! Louis is the one I mean (not Jennifer Aniston's BF) - watched the documentary the other night and was horrified:eek:. Felt very sorry for those people - highly addictive stuff....so destructive !

Fred Swanson · 24-09-2013 10:46pm

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Shout Dust · 24-09-2013 10:50pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

my guess is the Nazis are going to kidnap Walt Jr and use him as a ruse to trap Walt.

That's why Walt wants the guns.

But the Nazis will trap Walt in the process. The conclusion will be the Nazis telling Walt and Jesse that one of them will survive, the one that can cook the highest quality. Jesse cooks the better meth and Walt is killed.

nah, Jesse can cook to 96% purity, Walt is up at 99%

Son0vagun · 24-09-2013 11:01pm

Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

Jimmy Iovine · 24-09-2013 11:03pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix menu? Netflix put a picture because the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

I couldn't view it on Chrome. Had to sign in via IE. Worked perfectly on that.

NicoleL88 · 24-09-2013 11:06pm

Son0vagun wrote: »

Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

Yeah, I chose to watch it on Netflix this week and was well-pissed off. Netflix are f*cking notorious for doing that. :mad:

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother · 24-09-2013 11:13pm

Someone mentioned the "unseen Lewis" earlier. We saw him in the series before, when he called over to collect Walt Jr. Walt asked him if he wanted waffles or something like that. A minor detail. Carry on.

Mousewar · 24-09-2013 11:29pm

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »

Someone mentioned the "unseen Lewis" earlier. We saw him in the series before, when he called over to collect Walt Jr. Walt asked him if he wanted waffles or something like that. A minor detail. Carry on.

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother · 24-09-2013 11:39pm

And maybe Lewis was part of the Walt Jr crew when they tried to get someone to buy them beer, with two of them running away and leaving Junior to get taken downtown?

vitani · 25-09-2013 12:31am

Son0vagun wrote: »

Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

I didn't notice that, but I did accidentally hover over the bar in episode 13 and saw an image of Todd with a gun in the desert. I spent the last part of the episode shouting at the screen for Hank to leave because I knew the Nazis would turn up.

Japandamo · 25-09-2013 12:50am

May have been mentioned already, but why was Saul on the run as well? I don't remember anything happening in the previous episode that put him in the line of fire. Was it explained somewhere? Or was I just so numbed by Hank being offed that I missed that part.

Trying to work out how they're going to tie everything up. Anticipating a bloodbath in the next episode. When do Netflix release them?

NicoleL88 · 25-09-2013 12:57am

Japandamo wrote: »

May have been mentioned already, but why was Saul on the run as well?

When do Netflix release them?

Because Walt was his client.

Netflix releases the episode roughly 12 hours after airing in the US.

Japandamo · 25-09-2013 1:18am

NicoleL88 wrote: »

Because Walt was his client.

Netflix releases the episode roughly 12 hours after airing in the US.

But Walt was going to disappear, and surely as a lawyer you don't get put away for having a dodgy client (insert your own joke about lawyers here)...unless it's the Nazis he was worried about, but why would they go after him? It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm open to the possibility that there's something glaringly obvious that I'm not thinking about...

armchair fusilier · 25-09-2013 2:59am

Japandamo wrote: »

May have been mentioned already, but why was Saul on the run as well?

Saul's bodyguard was being kept in a safe house by one of Hank's DEA guys. He would of been still there when Hank and Gomez were killed and is bound to have dropped Saul right in it since then.

Japandamo · 25-09-2013 9:57am

armchair fusilier wrote: »

Saul's bodyguard was being kept in a safe house by one of Hank's DEA guys. He would of been still there when Hank and Gomez were killed and is bound to have dropped Saul right in it since then.

Aaaah, yes, I forgot about that. I guess I was just confused because he hadn't shown any sign of running in the previous episode.

Thanks for that.

lukin · 25-09-2013 9:58am

The last few eps have really p***ed me off. It's no longer entertaining, it's just tragic at this stage. Andrea getting killed was the final straw. Jesse (one of the few characters with some kind of moral core) having to suffer so much is also hard to watch. The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening. I'll watch the last ep but I'll look a lot more fondly on the seasons 1-4.

Mr Freeze · 25-09-2013 10:00am

armchair fusilier wrote: »

Saul's bodyguard was being kept in a safe house by one of Hank's DEA guys. He would of been still there when Hank and Gomez were killed and is bound to have dropped Saul right in it since then.

Plus Saul has been extremely paranoid and in fear for his life for the last 2 seasons nearly.

Mousewar · 25-09-2013 10:05am

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Plus Saul has been extremely paranoid and in fear for his life for the last 2 seasons nearly.

Yeah, I think the rampaging killer Nazis might have been a fairly big motivating factor as well.

Japandamo · 25-09-2013 10:22am

lukin wrote: »

The last few eps have really p***ed me off. It's no longer entertaining, it's just tragic at this stage. Andrea getting killed was the final straw. Jesse (one of the few characters with some kind of moral core) having to suffer so much is also hard to watch. The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening. I'll watch the last ep but I'll look a lot more fondly on the seasons 1-4.

I suppose the message is that when you start dealing drugs things are going to end up getting pretty serious and you're going to be dealing with some pretty unsavoury types. I didn't think Todd and co were being glorified really, I'll be quite happy to see them wiped out. I agree, though, it's tough watching Jesse suffer when he's the only one who hasn't really budged from his moral position from the beginning.

R P McMurphy · 25-09-2013 10:33am

lukin wrote: »

The last few eps have really p***ed me off. It's no longer entertaining, it's just tragic at this stage. Andrea getting killed was the final straw. Jesse (one of the few characters with some kind of moral core) having to suffer so much is also hard to watch. The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening. I'll watch the last ep but I'll look a lot more fondly on the seasons 1-4.

How are they being glorified?

The second part of season 5 has differed from earlier seasons in terms of dramatic effect but would be way out of kilter to have a happy disneyland ending to it. I doubt there will be a happy ending for anyone

AnonoBoy · 25-09-2013 10:40am

lukin wrote: »

The way Todd and his scumbag friends are being glorified is sickening.

They're being shown as scumbags. Just because they haven't got their comeuppance yet doesn't mean the show is glorifying them.

lukin · 25-09-2013 11:10am

R P McMurphy wrote: »

How are they being glorified?

Well let's see; so far they are the only criminals from the collection of Saul, Walter, Jesse etc. to evade capture or puishment for their crimes (while continuing to kill, torture etc.).They also have a tidy 70 million quid for themselves. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves wouldn't you agree?

R P McMurphy wrote: »

The second part of season 5 has differed from earlier seasons in terms of dramatic effect but would be way out of kilter to have a happy disneyland ending to it. I doubt there will be a happy ending for anyone

I don't expect a happy disneyland ending but I do expect some kind of balance.

Dempsey · 25-09-2013 11:15am

lukin wrote: »

Well let's see; so far they are the only criminals from the collection of Saul, Walter, Jesse etc. to evade capture or puishment for their crimes (while continuing to kill, torture etc.).They also have a tidy 70 milliion quid for themselves. Thye seem to be doing pretty well for themselves wouldn't you agree?

I don't expect a happy disneyland ending but I do expect some kind of balance.

I think u need to wait for the finale

they are about to get their comeuppance. its tv's worst kept secret

lukin · 25-09-2013 11:20am

Dempsey wrote: »

I think u need to wait for the finale

they are about to get their comeuppance. its tv's worst kept secret

I will have a bet with you that they won't.

Japandamo · 25-09-2013 11:22am

lukin wrote: »

I will have a bet with you that they won't.

But wasn't Gus Fring also being glorified until the end of the last season in that case...

I'd take that bet.

mightyreds · 25-09-2013 11:27am

Son0vagun wrote: »

Did anyone have this weeks episode ruin by Netflix? Netflix put a picture beside the episode title in their episode menu. This week they showed Skyler being held by a guy in a ski mask. I feared the worst, but thankfully it wasn't a huge spoiler.

Think last week they had jack standing over hank with the gun, was well p. off with that after the cliff hanger the week before.

pickarooney · 25-09-2013 11:27am

I can't day I've ever understood the mindset of people who consider that a show glorifies anybody or anything or that a show I itself is inherently racist or misogynist just because some of its characters are.

Penn · 25-09-2013 11:30am

lukin wrote: »

Well let's see; so far they are the only criminals from the collection of Saul, Walter, Jesse etc. to evade capture or puishment for their crimes (while continuing to kill, torture etc.).They also have a tidy 70 million quid for themselves. They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves wouldn't you agree?

Yes, but it's important to remember they've been in far far fewer episodes than Walt/Jesse/Saul. And they only got their 70million 2 episodes ago pretty much completely by luck. I mean, if that's your reasoning, then Gus was glorified for over two seasons. He dominated the meth business in the entire Southwest of the US, and severely damaged the Mexican Cartel while doing so, and bar Hank having suspicions about him (which no other cops did, and some were even friends with him) he would have completely gotten away with it...

...if not for the final episode of Season 4 where Walt won and killed him. Uncle Jack et al stole Walt's money and killed Hank. Walt is going after them, and being the final episode will almost definitely win. The only real question is how.

snausages · 25-09-2013 11:34am

pickarooney wrote: »

I can't day I've ever understood the mindset of people who consider that a show glorifies anybody or anything or that a show I itself is inherently racist or misogynist just because some of its characters are.

I agree, such an absurd criticism

Madame K · 25-09-2013 11:34am

pickarooney wrote: »

I can't day I've ever understood the mindset of people who consider that a show glorifies anybody or anything or that a show I itself is inherently racist or misogynist just because some of its characters are.

I've seen the same criticisms in literature as well. It boggles the mind.

Dempsey · 25-09-2013 11:38am

lukin wrote: »

I will have a bet with you that they won't.

ill take that bet

you think American tv is going to allow nazi meth dealers ride off into the sunset? lol, no

Da Shins Kelly · 25-09-2013 11:41am

I'll be very surprised if the Nazis get away with it.

ceadaoin. · 25-09-2013 11:50am

lukin wrote: »

I will have a bet with you that they won't.

They will. And even if they didn't so what? Yes they deserve it but when in real life does everyone get what they deserve?

I don't see how they are being glorified? It's a fictional tv show, it would be be pretty boring if everyone was arrested or killed as soon as they did something you don't agree with. Sure Gus 'got away with it' for ages, as did Walt. The nazis haven't been in it for that long so obviously their story takes a while to develop.

Jesse is a murderer too don't forget so why should he get a happy ending? That's the beauty of breaking bad IMO, you can hate a character for some deeds but also sympathise with them. After everything walt has done I am still rooting for him to at least get his money back from the nazis before he dies. After the first half of season 5 I was hoping for Jesse to ride off into the sunset with his money but I think that ship has sailed now.

Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

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