Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

Busi_Girl08

That was how Walt dealt with his ego back then. When he was faced with his own inferiority (or at least others' success) he hid away, couldn't face it, feared his exposure and played it safe. He hated being reminded that he wasn't at the top.

When he was diagnosed he effectively just thought "fcuk it" and decended into the mother of all nervous breakdowns.

scamalert

Anyone know how long is last episode,as i mentioned before even if they try to pack it in one hour it will feel to rushed.

As theres so many characters left
Skyler-facing prison
W.jr- ?
Marie
Nazis,lydia
grey matter
Jessie and those left out.
Walt taking nazis alone would be something from Rambo movie :cool:
And flash forward in seasons first episode is not making much sense,if person is on most wanted list,yet he roams streets like free man,as by this stage,even last episodes ending someone should cop on that he is heading back-usual criminal behavior.

Everything he done was for money,but its useless now,as no chance family could lay their hands on it, or would touch it anyway.

So answer awaits,whats the drive for him to comeback and do killings,for Hank,that was killed because of Walt making phone call ?family that wish he was dead already ?
as by this stage only realization i see that everything that he has done is because of his own fault,stupidity,greed.

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

I have an awful feeling that all the loose ends and character fates might lead to one conclusion: kill most of them off.

Wanderer2010

^ Yeah good point. There is an awful lot to tie up in the last ep:

1. How will Skyler and the kids end up and what life awaits them.

2. Walt must resolve his action against the Nazis

3. Walt and Jessie must face off and have a conclusion

3. Walt has to use the ricin and sneak around town in his beat up car without getting caught

4. Walt has to use the M60s for whatever he got them for

5. Will Hanks body ever be found.

6. How will Marie end the series?

7. What happens to the money?

An awful lot to wrap up in 54minutes, he will have to use every single available second to good use.

Dempsey

scamalert wrote: »

So answer awaits,whats the drive for him to comeback and do killings,for Hank,that was killed because of Walt making phone call ?family that wish he was dead already ?
as by this stage only realization i see that everything that he has done is because of his own fault,stupidity,greed.

Start of the last episode he wanted to kill Jack and his crew but didnt have the manpower, i.e. asking Saul for hitmen contacts.

He goes into hiding to avoid immediate capture

After 3-4 months, the media are wondering if he's still out there suggests that the initial manhunt has been significantly scaled back. His appearance has also drastically changed i.e. weight loss, hair, scruffier clothes. People forget quickly and they arent looking for what he has become.

He still wants revenge on Jack while he is still able to do something about it. He wants his money as a matter of principle, he earned it. We know it involves ricin & m60. Saul is now presumably gone. Kuby knows where Badger & Skinny Pete are. Walt could easily manipulate them into thinking its a plan to rescue Jesse & offer them money.

Does Walt know where Lydia lives from the time they kidnapped her? He could poison/threaten to poison her kid for information on Jack, his crew and their compound.

begod

Just looking at some quotes from Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium and King Lear which the film references and some qoutes stood out:

“The prince of darkness is a gentleman!”
― William Shakespeare, King Lear

“This is the excellent foppery of the world, that,
when we are sick in fortune,--often the surfeit
of our own behavior,--we make guilty of our
disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars: as
if we were villains by necessity; fools by
heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and
treachers, by spherical predominance; drunkards,
liars, and adulterers, by an enforced obedience of
planetary influence; and all that we are evil in,
by a divine thrusting on: an admirable evasion
of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish
disposition to the charge of a star.”
― William Shakespeare, King Lear

"Ingratitude, thou marble-hearted fiend,
More hideous, when thou show'st thee in a child,
Than the sea-monster."
- William Shakespeare, King Lear, 1.4.283

"How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child!"
- William Shakespeare, King Lear, 1.4.312

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother

Dempsey wrote: »

Start of the last episode he wanted to kill Jack and his crew but didnt have the manpower, i.e. asking Saul for hitmen contacts.

He goes into hiding to avoid immediate capture

After 3-4 months, the media are wondering if he's still out there suggests that the initial manhunt has been significantly scaled back. His appearance has also drastically changed i.e. weight loss, hair, scruffier clothes. People forget quickly and they arent looking for what he has become.

He still wants revenge on Jack while he is still able to do something about it. He wants his money as a matter of principle, he earned it. We know it involves ricin & m60. Saul is now presumably gone. Kuby knows where Badger & Skinny Pete are. Walt could easily manipulate them into thinking its a plan to rescue Jesse & offer them money.

Does Walt know where Lydia lives from the time they kidnapped her? He could poison/threaten to poison her kid for information on Jack, his crew and their compound.

I'm liking this...

briany

Felina cold opening,

A close up on a little bag of blue sky sitting on a table with the sound of guns firing and tires screeching in the background. The wider picture comes into focus and it's Badger + Skinny P in Badger's basement bedroom playing GTA co-op all serious like and concentrating really hard.

Skinny P is talking all big, "This right here? We need to get some of this for real homes. We should hook up with Jesse and hustle just like we used to. I heard the dude's been riding real high now that blue's back on the street."

Badger, ".........Yeeeaaaaahhhh! "

*They high five*

- cut to Jesse hanging motionless from the bars of his cell from a noose made out of ripped up clothing.

(Breaking bad intro music)

scamalert

I wonder why they didn't kill jessie yet,basically they achieved high percentage needed and color.So whats there left to learn from him,they could of easily killed him in last episode,since agreement was only one cook with Heisenberg.So its either they will keep jessie as last man standing-who will later kill himself overdose or smth.As keeping him to shoot just plain blank would not cause omg scene.

Also walts car was left in the desert surely someone had to find and trace it back to area where hank was killed,as when walt was leaving he turned mirrors and you could clearly see two graves,and enough evidence to suspect some gang by the amount of bullets left in the place,otherwise authorities would be portrayed as bunch of clowns in entire series,even raided house would of provided some evidence,knowing that gang is mostly ex cons.Anyway this is a bit weak link in entire series when at most you see 2 agents working empire case,unless new mexico has 2 agents in total :pac:

Da Shins Kelly

scamalert wrote: »

I wonder why they didn't kill jessie yet,basically they achieved high percentage needed and color.So whats there left to learn from him,they could of easily killed him in last episode,since agreement was only one cook with Heisenberg.So its either they will keep jessie as last man standing-who will later kill himself overdose or smth.As keeping him to shoot just plain blank would not cause omg scene.

I think they're keeping him alive because Todd doesn't actually know how to cook the high-percentage blue meth. He's just getting Jesse to do it, but not actually trying to learn how to make it himself.

Wacker The Attacker

Lydia and Todd go dogging.

Tombo2001

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Honestly though, why would the Nazis want to get Walt, after like a year?

They have no idea he is coming for them (presuming they are on the hit list)

My logic behind it is.....

I remember reading somewhere Aaron Paul saying he would have a scene with Walt Jr before the end.

If true, than this must be in the next episode.

For it to happen, then either we need to see Jesse escape from the Nazis or Walt Jr kidnapped by the Nazis.

Why would they kidnap Walt Jr? because they want walt to cook for them.

Killer_banana

Tombo2001 wrote: »

My logic behind it is.....

I remember reading somewhere Aaron Paul saying he would have a scene with Walt Jr before the end.

If true, than this must be in the next episode.

For it to happen, then either we need to see Jesse escape from the Nazis or Walt Jr kidnapped by the Nazis.

Why would they kidnap Walt Jr? because they want walt to cook for them.

Do you have any idea where you read this? I have a very vague memory of Aaron Paul saying the exact opposite, that they never got a scene together. In a interview with GQ RJ Mitte said that he was 'bummed' that he didn't get a scene with Jesse but that they might get a scene together. However this was after filming had ended and the first four episodes of this half of the season had aired so it seemed more like him not wanting to necessarily confirm they didn't have a scene together but as good as saying they never do.

I would love a scene with them both but I can't see it happening unfortunately...

Posy

I am unsure what purpose Walt Jr and Jesse meeting would serve.

banquo

Walt rescues Jesse, but his family are next on his ''things to resolve before the end of the series'' list so he has Jesse in tow when he arrives.

Boom_Bap

Posy wrote: »

I am unsure what purpose Walt Jr and Jesse meeting would serve.

We know that if it did happen, breakfast would be served :pac:

I cant wait to see how this unfolds, or wraps up next week.

I would never have guessed that most of this episode would be centred on isolation.


On a side note, I think I watched an interview with Gilligan where he said something about a Saul spin-off. I would like to think that it starts from the moment he left the basement of the vacuum cleaner repair shop.

banquo

Me too! Likely to be a prequel though.

scamalert

Tombo2001 wrote: »

My logic behind it is.....

I remember reading somewhere Aaron Paul saying he would have a scene with Walt Jr before the end.

If true, than this must be in the next episode.

For it to happen, then either we need to see Jesse escape from the Nazis or Walt Jr kidnapped by the Nazis.

Why would they kidnap Walt Jr? because they want walt to cook for them.

they dont need walt to cook,nazis were going to kill jessie after seeing tape,but because tod has a boner for lydia they said fck it,sorta like keep him as a pet,as money isnt an issue for them anymore.

Only other way would be if walt started bringing down meth empire from the top,like lets say poisoning Lydia,then tod gets angry ,goes to take walt jr/skyler as revenge ,thus more victims and brutal ending.

banquo

scamalert wrote: »

if walt started bringing down meth empire from the top,like lets say poisoning Lydia,then tod gets angry ,goes to take walt jr/skyler as revenge ,thus more victims and brutal ending.

OOOOH. Lot to fit into one episode though. However, if they can fit so much into Ozymandias...

Killer_banana

Posy wrote: »

I am unsure what purpose Walt Jr and Jesse meeting would serve.

I just like the idea of seeing the two meet, interact, the two 'sons' so to spea want it to seem like it should happen, not like it happened for the sake of it. I can buy Walt having Jesse in tow if he somehow has to save the family except I can't see him purposely freeing Jesse (as I said before I think it will be a by product of confronting the Nazis) let alone taking him with him afterwards.

jcsoulinger

Maybe Walt dies saving jesse, then jesse is compelled to deliver walts money to Walt Jr.

Shout Dust

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

I think they're keeping him alive because Todd doesn't actually know how to cook the high-percentage blue meth. He's just getting Jesse to do it, but not actually trying to learn how to make it himself.

Yeah don't know how smart Todd is. How long was Walt working with Gale? Gale had a PHD or something and still took time to learn it, Walt was cooking with Todd for a good while and Todd still hasn't picked it up. Jesse must be smart

Killer_banana

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Maybe Walt dies saving jesse, then jesse is compelled to deliver walts money to Walt Jr.

It's a bit over sentimental and I'd find it hard to believe if Walt Jr. took the money but I won't like, I do like this idea.

Shout Dust wrote: »

Yeah don't know how smart Todd is. How long was Walt working with Gale? Gale had a PHD or something and still took time to learn it, Walt was cooking with Todd for a good while and Todd still hasn't picked it up. Jesse must be smart

Walt always tried to get Jesse to apply himself and Jesse's mother made some comment saying she liked that Walt didn't give up on him. He obviously saw something others didn't. I've gotten to the point of hating Walt now and wanting it to end with Jesse killing him but it still makes me sad their relationship broke down.

tommy2bad

Killer_banana wrote: »

It's a bit over sentimental and I'd find it hard to believe if Walt Jr. took the money but I won't like, I do like this idea.



Walt always tried to get Jesse to apply himself and Jesse's mother made some comment saying she liked that Walt didn't give up on him. He obviously saw something others didn't. I've gotten to the point of hating Walt now and wanting it to end with Jesse killing him but it still makes me sad their relationship broke down.

Isn't this kinda the whole point of BB. That Walt poisons everything he touches. It's why he has cancer, because he is a cancer.

manster

Reading a few posts back but where and when does Gretchen's father offer Walt a job?

evolving_doors

now that the shwartzs and madrigal are back in the picture can we return to the theory that this whole film is about german supremacy....

Sorry, I just can't let it go ...

Killer_banana

tommy2bad wrote: »

Isn't this kinda the whole point of BB. That Walt poisons everything he touches. It's why he has cancer, because he is a cancer.

Oh I know it is and the collapse was inevitable but it was a relationship I liked and it makes me sad how it's not there. I mean if they were still friends it would make no sense be bad writing but I'm a sentimental fool sometimes...

Posy

I am the same as you- I miss Walt and Jesse v The World (Hank)
I'm very sad that their relationship has gone so horribly wrong.

Kerplunk124

Posy wrote: »

I am the same as you- I miss Walt and Jesse v The World (Hank)
I'm very sad that their relationship has gone so horribly wrong.

Same
I just watched a tribute video of the evolution of Heisenberg and half way through it showed him and Jeese high fiving and celebrating over getting 600K each..those were the days:o

banquo

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Maybe Walt dies saving jesse, then jesse is compelled to deliver walts money to Walt Jr.

I like this idea. With a bit of an epilogue of Jesse defending Walt when Walt Jr tries to deny it. Would actually be a great note to go out on.

Agent Smith

jcsoulinger wrote: »

Maybe Walt dies saving jesse, then jesse is compelled to deliver walts money Breakfast to Walt Jr.

Fixed that

Boom_Bap

My theory:

Todd is going to ice his uncle and the rest of the crew because of something they do or say about Lydia. You could kind of see he had a reaction when they were making jokes about he vagina.
Then he will free Jessie, or want to go into business with him. Jessie will take him out for what he done to Brocks mom.

Walt appears after this as he was plotting to ice everybody.

Jessie walks away, Walt grabs his cash. Lydia grabs the blue that's been cooked.

Walt bring cash to wife and kids, Hanks purple loving wife ice's Walt.

Executive Producer
Vince Gilligan

The End.

Mousewar

Boom_Bap wrote: »

My theory:

You could kind of see he had a reaction when they were making jokes about he vagina.

he vagina does seem like an apt name for her alright.

Wacker The Attacker

Armelodie wrote: »

now that the shwartzs and madrigal are back in the picture can we return to the theory that this whole film is about german supremacy....

Sorry, I just can't let it go ...

ve are cooking ze blue yah

Wacker The Attacker

Posy wrote: »

I am the same as you- I miss Walt and Jesse v The World (Hank)
I'm very sad that their relationship has gone so horribly wrong.

Hopefully it will end in the bitch slapping that Jesse deserves for being the "crybaby rat bitch" that we all know he is.

Wacker The Attacker

Boom_Bap wrote: »

My theory:

Todd is going to ice his uncle and the rest of the crew because of something they do or say about Lydia. You could kind of see he had a reaction erection when they were making jokes about he vagina.
Then he will free Jessie, or want to go into business with him. Jessie will take him out for what he done to Brocks mom.

Walt appears after this as he was plotting to ice everybody.

Jessie walks away, Walt grabs his cash. Lydia grabs the blue that's been cooked.

Walt bring cash to wife and kids, Hanks purple loving wife ice's Walt.

Executive Producer
Vince Gilligan

The End.

fixed.

purple loving. I'd re-phrase that if I were you

Penn

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Hopefully it will end in the bitch slapping that Jesse deserves for being the "crybaby rat bitch" that we all know he is.

Constantly betrayed and manipulated by who he thought was his friend and mentor, who went to the extent of poisoning a child Jesse cared about in order to manipulate him.

"Crybaby rat bitch" is not the term I'd use for Jesse. Think about all Jesse has been through because of Walt. Beaten up by Tuco. Almost killed by Tuco. One of his best friends is killed because Walt pushed to take over rival drug dealers territory. Girlfriend died because of Walt (if he hadn't shown up she wouldn't have rolled over) and Walt let Jesse believe it was his own fault. Badly beaten up by Hank. Had to kill Gale to save Walt's life. Finally getting a sense of self-worth and pride by helping Mike and Gus until Walt poisons Brock to manipulate him to turning against Gus. Walt kills Mike who was becoming a better friend and mentor to Jesse. Walt takes all Jesse's money in an effort to manipulate him into continuing to cook with him.

Even after all that, Jesse still wasn't going to talk to the cops. It was only when he found out about the poisoning that made him do it.

Walt has thoroughly and completely ruined Jesse's life. But Jesse isn't a gangster. He isn't some mob guy. He was just a small-time wannabe who made a little bit of meth and tried to act a lot tougher than he was. He has no reason to keep quiet to the cops and not "rat". Not after everything Walt's done.

Torqay

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Hopefully it will end in the bitch slapping that Jesse deserves for being the "crybaby rat bitch" that we all know he is.

In the final episode Walt will show Jesse what Ricin really does to little Brock!

Chet T16

Penn wrote: »

Constantly betrayed and manipulated by who he thought was his friend and mentor, who went to the extent of poisoning a child Jesse cared about in order to manipulate him.

"Crybaby rat bitch" is not the term I'd use for Jesse. Think about all Jesse has been through because of Walt. Beaten up by Tuco. Almost killed by Tuco. One of his best friends is killed because Walt pushed to take over rival drug dealers territory. Girlfriend died because of Walt (if he hadn't shown up she wouldn't have rolled over) and Walt let Jesse believe it was his own fault. Badly beaten up by Hank. Had to kill Gale to save Walt's life. Finally getting a sense of self-worth and pride by helping Mike and Gus until Walt poisons Brock to manipulate him to turning against Gus. Walt kills Mike who was becoming a better friend and mentor to Jesse. Walt takes all Jesse's money in an effort to manipulate him into continuing to cook with him.

Even after all that, Jesse still wasn't going to talk to the cops. It was only when he found out about the poisoning that made him do it.

Walt has thoroughly and completely ruined Jesse's life. But Jesse isn't a gangster. He isn't some mob guy. He was just a small-time wannabe who made a little bit of meth and tried to act a lot tougher than he was. He has no reason to keep quiet to the cops and not "rat". Not after everything Walt's done.

You're making Walt out to be some sort of bad guy! #goteamwalt

Mr Freeze

Well said Penn RE: Jesse

I have loads of sympathy for him, really hope he survives this, although I'd say he would rather be dead now after the Andrea incident.

Torqay

Penn wrote: »

Jesse isn't a gangster. He isn't some mob guy. He was just a small-time wannabe who made a little bit of meth and tried to act a lot tougher than he was.

Heartwrenching stuff, but let's not forget, Jesse is a murderer and equally responsible for the misery they brought upon the thousands of unnamed victims of their little endeavour.

snausages

Torqay wrote: »

Heartwrenching stuff, but let's not forget, Jesse is a murderer and equally responsible for the misery they brought upon the thousands of unnamed victims of their little endeavour.

I don't think Jesse deserves much more sympathy than Walt. Sure, Walt is definitely worse but even after witnessing the conditions of Spooge's meth den he was still keen to be making mad stacks when they did that desert cook-up.

Madame K

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Well said Penn RE: Jesse

I have loads of sympathy for him, really hope he survives this, although I'd say he would rather be dead now after the Andrea incident.

Maybe Andrea's death is his turning point-like when Gus witnessed his friend/business partner's death at the hands of the cartel. Jesse may be the last standing but he'd likely be cold blooded.

Penn

Torqay wrote: »

Heartwrenching stuff, but let's not forget, Jesse is a murderer and equally responsible for the misery they brought upon the thousands of unnamed victims of their little endeavour.

He killed Gale to save Walt, and we saw how doing so affected him. He's not like others in the show who kill and move on. Walt has killed in similar circumstances and shown little-to-no remorse. Hell, Jesse feels more remorse for Drew Sharp's death than Walt and Todd combined and he didn't even pull the trigger. Other than that, Jesse killed one of the cartel guys in self-defense after they'd just shot Mike. And when Jesse was going to kill Gus' men who had killed Andrea's brother, you could see the pain in his face.

Jesse has killed, but never for the sake of it, and never without it affecting him deeply afterwards. And I definitely wouldn't hold him equally responsible for the misery brought on from Walt & Jesse cooking. As I said, Walt manipulated and used Jesse multiple times.

Torqay

No matter how you spin it, killing Gale was premeditated murder.

Posy

I think Penn's point is more how much killing Gael affected Jesse, whereas Walt and most of the other characters just killed and moved on, with no remorse.

Penn

Torqay wrote: »

No matter how you spin it, killing Gale was premeditated murder.

Not saying it wasn't, but Jesse originally couldn't bring himself to do it so Walt said he would. Jesse even tried to convince Walt not to. Then when Mike had Walt, Jesse knew if he didn't kill Gale, they'd kill Walt. He knew he had to do it as it was the only way to save Walt. Yes, it was premeditated murder. But not one that Jesse wanted to commit, and one that deeply affected him afterwards, something that can't be said for most of the others in the show who have also killed people, including Walt.

Killer_banana

Agree with everything said about Jesse not being as bad as others but also Jesse's arc isn't about him being a good guy all the way though, it's about redemption. It's basically the reverse of Walt's arc (except Jesse never was as dark as Walt has become).

To me, Jesse is the only spark of hope and possible light (as light as BB can get anyway) left in this show. How dark would this show be if he had died in the first season like originally planned?

DublinWriter

Neil McCauleys Cooler Brother wrote: »

Is there anything chemically unique in an M60 gun? Some parts he needs to concoct something ingenious? Probably not. You show a gun in the first act; you gotta use it in the third.

No - I think it's in reference to an earlier scene where Walt and Walt jnr are watching the 'Say Hello to my little friend' scene in Scarface.

I have a horrible feeling that this line will be reused in the last episode.

Walt has most definitely got the M60 to deal with the biker gang.

Holsten

If Jesse survives I'll be pissed, throughout the last season I've just grown to completely dislike him.