Breaking Bad Episode 15: Granite State

Killer_banana

Torqay wrote: »

Walt had a crush on Gretchen and yet she chose to marry Elliott, the scorned lover boy took a hike. Oh, and it's Gray Matter, not Grey Matter.

I could be wrong but wasn't Walt actually in a relationship with Gretchen at one point? I thought I remembered a flashback scene (him explaining some formula) where it was clear they were a couple. Bit different to your best friend marrying someone you have a crush on and marrying your ex. I also had the impression (again I could be misremembering) he was forced out rather than choosing to leave. I'm less sure about that though.

Dave!

"92%? That's Heisenberg level."

cloudatlas

Torqay wrote: »

Walt had a crush on Gretchen and yet she chose to marry Elliott, the scorned lover boy took a hike. Oh, and it's Gray Matter, not Grey Matter.

Jaysus, I think a lot of the posters on here have been scorned by women or are anticipating being scorned by women Essien said it best earlier: "I need the biggest most bad a$s machine gun you've got, I've got a score to settle.
Who's the target?
Two defenceless, completely unsuspecting, middle aged, upper class nerds....one of whom is a small woman"

This conversation never happened, the gun is for the Nazis."

RobbingBandit

On the train this morning going to college I let out a yelp while watch Andrea,poor Brock. That opie Bastard Todd is evil. I am 100% rooting for Heisenberg after that ending. There is only so many ways this can go now with one episode left, I really hope we get a look at those newspapers in the DVD box set special features when all this is over, so much left unsaid.

It has been over a year since Jack and the Nazis stole the money,how much of it will they have left,will they even still be there or will it just be Todd and Jessie,Walter Jr(Flynn) didn't change his name to Skylers maiden name,that is intriguing. He is also unsurprised to hear Aunt Marie is on the phone for him meaning they are still in contact.

bellinter

How do you suppose it's over a year since they stole the money? Really can't get a handle on the time myself, but felt like no more than 3/4 months max?

Dempsey

Killer_banana wrote: »

I could be wrong but wasn't Walt actually in a relationship with Gretchen at one point? I thought I remembered a flashback scene (him explaining some formula) where it was clear they were a couple. Bit different to your best friend marrying someone you have a crush on and marrying your ex. I also had the impression (again I could be misremembering) he was forced out rather than choosing to leave. I'm less sure about that though.

http://breakingbad.wikia.com/wiki/Gray_Matter_Technologies

They were dating but his reasons for leaving her and selling his shares was never properly explained.

Quixoticelixer

RobbingBandit wrote: »

On the train this morning going to college I let out a yelp while watch Andrea,poor Brock. That opie Bastard Todd is evil. I am 100% rooting for Heisenberg after that ending. There is only so many ways this can go now with one episode left, I really hope we get a look at those newspapers in the DVD box set special features when all this is over, so much left unsaid.

It has been over a year since Jack and the Nazis stole the money,how much of it will they have left,will they even still be there or will it just be Todd and Jessie,Walter Jr(Flynn) didn't change his name to Skylers maiden name,that is intriguing. He is also unsurprised to hear Aunt Marie is on the phone for him meaning they are still in contact.

You sure about that? I thought it was more like two months. Either way, long enough for them to have found a safe place to store it, a place where Walt will not be able to find it.

Also, I don't know how you (like myself:D) or anyone can somehow still root for Walt/Heisenberg!! It makes no sense, we should all hate the guy!

Dman001

In relation to the timeframe, In episode 4 of Season 5, Walt turns 51. At the end of the first half of Season 5 last year, we know Walt sold meth to Lydia for quite a while but for how long is unknown (enough to accumulate $80 million anyway) and then retires. In the flashforward he is 52, which we can assume is no more than a few days after the bar scene. So it would make sense if he was in the cabin for a few months only.

bellinter

Quixoticelixer wrote: »

Also, I don't know how you (like myself:D) or anyone can somehow still root for Walt/Heisenberg!! It makes no sense, we should all hate the guy!

Still fully behind Heisenberg strutting off into the sunset with Flynn's principal.

Holsten

He was in the cabin for one month.... no?!

Grimebox

irishfeen wrote: »

Have to disagree there, it sets it up perfectly for next week... it had to have been someone "outside" who he probably had a lot of time for (once upon a time) to make him finally realise that he is no longer Walt and has lost just about everything... now its just Heisenberg's ego left.

Yes it does it up perfectly. However the audience should have already known this. We didn't need Gretchen to spell it out so literally for us.

Nerdlingr

Holsten wrote: »

He was in the cabin for one month.... no?!

Judging by the hair on his head i'd say not!

FouxDaFaFa

I think he was only in the cabin a month. Ed mentioned that it was his second time performing chemotherapy but that he watched a youtube video (lol) and feels this attempt will be better.

RobbingBandit

Think I got my times wrong,it must have been a few months though how many who knows, not a year though.

armchair fusilier

Holsten wrote: »

He was in the cabin for one month.... no?!

It wasn't his first time being hooked up to the drip, so it must of been a least two months.

ElvisChrist6

FInally watched this episode, some of the shots were fantastic - the measure of whiskey in particular. It really at this point feels like an epilogue. The main series feels done to me, this is the epilogue. Really looking forward to the last episode!

threein99

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I think he was only in the cabin a month. Ed mentioned that it was his second time performing chemotherapy but that he watched a youtube video (lol) and feels this attempt will be better.

He was in the cabin for months, look at his hair growth, declining health, he had lost so much weight his wedding ring fell off, Ed saying he can put the needle in better this time hinting it wasnt the first time.

banquo

It was 3-4 months.

Nerdlingr

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I think he was only in the cabin a month. Ed mentioned that it was his second time performing chemotherapy but that he watched a youtube video (lol) and feels this attempt will be better.

Ed has performed the drip before, "sorry about last time", he comes with prescription glasses, the chemo/drip, (things walt probably would have put on the 'list') and some drinks to keep walt's weight up.. judging by that I think its safe to say walt has been there two months at least.

IvaBigWun

ballsymchugh wrote: »

bryan cranston has already won 3 in a row for Breaking Bad

aaron paul didn't get an emmy either.

he deserved it just for that episode when he had dinner with walt and skyler. the look he gave when he was drinking the glass of water was hilarious.

Is Jesse supposed to be drunk/on drugs at that dinner? It never made sense to me

SweepTheLeg

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Is Jesse supposed to be drunk/on drugs at that dinner? It never made sense to me

Nope, He just feels really really awkward.

KingFling

bellinter wrote: »

Still fully behind Heisenberg strutting off into the sunset with Flynn's principal.

Carmen Molina is her name, caught my man having a sneaky wink at he during it

ooter

Did anyone else think Todd's attire was very Walter white-esque when he met Lydia in the diner?

LionelNashe

Holsten wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how come all of America knows that Walter is Heisenberg the meth kingpin?!

What is the evidence? Was this clearly explained?! Like if he turns himself in.. what evidence is there to link him to anything at all?!

Very confused.

There were some papers blowing around Hank's drive but most of the Heisenberg files must be in his garage still, and Marie would know enough to point them in the right direction

SweepTheLeg

KingFling wrote: »

Carmen Molina is her name, caught my man having a sneaky **** at he during it

FYP

A Primal Nut

Holsten wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how come all of America knows that Walter is Heisenberg the meth kingpin?!

What is the evidence? Was this clearly explained?! Like if he turns himself in.. what evidence is there to link him to anything at all?!

Very confused.

He pretty much admitted everything in the phone call at the end of episode 14 (actually exaggerated his crimes!). Maria would no doubt have told them everything by now as well.

A Primal Nut

Holsten wrote: »

I understand this.. but looking at it from a legal stand point.. there is pretty much zero evidence against him, if they were to have him in court for whatever crime, he would be acquitted.

How does this explain his face all over the news and in the news papers etc... Makes no sense to me at all.

They don't need much evidence to start a manhunt; gathering evidence to convict in court comes later; if they find the bodies of the DEA agents and so on.

There was a manhunt for Bin Laden the day of 9/11, don't think they had much time to gather evidence at that stage but enough to start a manhunt.

Snake Plisken

Slow burner this one, which isn't to bad as the intensity of last weeks episode left me with a tension headache!
I do wish the final episode was going to be around 3 hours as I never wanted this show to end! I suppose while the story line is strong they wouldn't want it to go down the Dexter route and outstay it's welcome.
Just thinking about the Grey Matter scene, and the two of them pissing off Walt! Would it be conceivable for Walt to buy stocks in the company, thus bringing it down when it became public that Heisenberg owned stock in the company?

IvaBigWun

SweepTheLeg wrote: »

Nope, He just feels really really awkward.

Cheers. Very strange acting of awkward

The Black Oil

5.15

Well, if that wasn't bleak and at times intense I don't know what is. That said, I won't deny I felt they came on a little strong with the sympathy-o-meter, though more so for Walt, clearly.

So, the old paperclip handcuff escape routine for Jesse (bucket delivery felt like a nod to Silence of the Lambs) and then the awful punishment. Talk about putting the screws into the character. Skinhead Walt trying to cover all the angles, nice to see the hat again, mind. Scary scene for Skyler and Holly. At this stage she'd be pretty wise to police antics, but not the Nazis. Todd is just flat out cold. I wonder if that just puts a big target on his back, though.

Lies in the meth stats game. No surprises there. Tempting for Lydia. Charlie Rose, I'm down with that. More lies to protect the brand - nice link back to Walt's history. Game on, methinks.

Ken.

If the cops caught Walt I fully believe he would own up to everything including leading the cops to Hanks grave. He liked Hank.

Dempsey

The Black Oil wrote: »

Lies in the meth stats game. No surprises there. Tempting for Lydia. Charlie Rose, I'm down with that. More lies to protect the brand - nice link back to Walt's history. Game on, methinks.

What lies, Jesse cooked a 92% batch that was ready for shipping when he met Lydia, then a 96% batch that night

mrkite77

Seifer wrote: »

Even the writer's couldn't figure out how he actually opens the hatch so it was just; cut to Jesse running away.

I assume he used his feet. It's called a pullover in gymnastics, and little kids do them every day on the playground.

cloudatlas

Just to clear up 'Gray Matter' perception a little bit - Just re-watched the scene in 'peekaboo' when Gretchen and Walt are in the restaurant discussing why Walt lied to his family and told them Gretchen and Eliot were paying for his treatment. Walt accuses Gretchen (Eliot) of making millions off his research. Gretchen says 'that can't be the way you see it?!' She reminds him that he was the one who left her without explanation - not the other way around. "That's your excuse?" he asks. "I feel so sorry for you, Walt," Gretchen says. "F_ you," he replies. So Gretchen didn't spurn Walt he left her and walked away from the company. Yes it probably erks him that they went on to make a success of the company but it appears that Walt excluded himself for reasons unknown. So I don't think that bit of history equates to the greater hurt of murdering family, stealing millions and taking over your empire and by extension putting you on America's most wanted.

IvaBigWun

jaykhunter wrote: »

Full theme song played at the end of the episode :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMt1ILTzCac

Dont think they ever used that in full before?

That sort of "lets extend the theme music before the credits" is usually saved for show finales, so musically they must be doing something really special in next week's last 60 seconds!

LionelNashe

Apart from Walt's hair growing a couple of centimetres, nothing really happened in that episode.

Jesse got out of his cage and now he's back in his cage. Andrea is dead and the Nazis are threatening Brock whereas last week they were threatening both Andrea and Brock; not a big difference. Walt went to New Hampshire and now he's presumably coming back from New Hampshire. Flynn was shouting at Walt last week and he's shouting at him this week. All the main characters are back where they were a week ago.

A Primal Nut

Really nice episode, lots of tension like always.

Like some other people, I don't see Walt killing Gretchen or Elliott. What it would prove? It looked like he might want to outsmart them, show them how important he really is. Killing them with ricin (so they wouldn't even though he had any involvement) wouldn't accomplish that at all. I was open to the other idea that he might want to outsmart them and bring them down some other way (not killing them). But now I'm coming around to the idea that it was a trigger for Walt's return, nothing more.

Can't wait for the finale!

LionelNashe

People have mentioned Walt's jaw dropping when the news story said that the meth was in Europe; it does look like he's talking to himself, as if he's working out the implications in his head.

The meth being in Europe tells him that Lydia's still involved, so I reckon the ricin is for Lydia, after he makes her tell him where the Nazis are.

ElvisChrist6

I've just been reminded of Huell in the room in by someone. I really hope the very last scene cuts to him still sitting in that room not knowing what the **** to do!

the_monkey

hynesie08 wrote: »

So after absolutely hating last weeks episode, they completely won me back. The finale is now 90% set up for me and I actually cannot wait to see how it goes.

What ? this isn't the Dexter forum

Nice Botty

IvaBigWun wrote: »

Dont think they ever used that in full before?

That sort of "lets extend the theme music before the credits" is usually saved for show finales, so musically they must be doing something really special in next week's last 60 seconds!

Guessing it will be silence

Polka_Dot

Really good episode, very much looking forward to the finale! I was a little bit disappointed that the "75 minute running time" seemed to just take into account a shitload of ads, but oh well!

I could see the Andrea death scene coming, but for a split second during it I thought it was going to end differently. When Todd was saying "Oh yeah, we have Jesse, he's right in that truck over there" for some reason I was convinced that they were going to lead her to his dead body. Then once it cut to Jesse that obviously wasn't the case, but just the way Todd said it made me think. Then again he is a creepy emotionless psycho.

Not sure what I make of the whole Grey Matter thing. On one hand I think it'd be a bit convoluted at this point to bring it in, but on the other the whole thing was never really resolved (why Walt left etc), and it doesn't make sense to bring it up and have it go nowhere either.

Busi_Girl08

ElvisChrist6 wrote: »

I've just been reminded of Huell in the room in by someone. I really hope the very last scene cuts to him still sitting in that room not knowing what the **** to do!

Huell - "...Well I'm gonna give him another 20 minutes, but that's it!"

LionelNashe

Actually, it would have been better if the escape scene went like this:

Jesse is running across the yard, the cctv camera is shown, he jumps on the fence and starts climbing, with Todd and the boys shouting from across the yard.

Then it cuts to Andrea's living room; her doorbell rings; we see a man's shape outside the glass and we assume it's Jesse. She opens the door and ta-dah ! It's Todd. Then they do the jesse-in-the-truck thing and Andrea-getting-shot to even more shocking effect.

briany

Was it ever mentioned exactly why Saul was disappearing? I'm sure he's got more than a few reasons to disappear at this point but I never heard it fully articulated. Has he got DEA heat on him? And if so, how? Maybe they connected him through Skylar?

Hazys

I was always #TeamWhite but the events of last episode have firmly changed my allegiances...now I'm definitely in the #TeamMILFPrincipal camp, I hope she wins in the end.

I don't want MILF Principal spin-off show, I need a MILF Principal spin-off show.

Nerdlingr

Anything in the fact that Skylar is working for a taxi company part-time doing dispatch? Possible way for Walt to get to her and lead her to the money in the cabin?
Long shot I know.

LowOdour

Polka_Dot wrote: »

Not sure what I make of the whole Grey Matter thing. On one hand I think it'd be a bit convoluted at this point to bring it in, but on the other the whole thing was never really resolved (why Walt left etc), and it doesn't make sense to bring it up and have it go nowhere either.

My thinking is that the Grey Matter thing still bugs him, and he assoicates it with being a failure...pre heisenberg. By calling the Dea, he had given himself up...but seeing them annoyed him enough to prove them wrong on some level. My 2 cents anyway!

B.A._Baracus

Hazys wrote: »

I was always #TeamWhite but the events of last episode have firmly changed my allegiances...now I'm definitely in the #TeamMILFPrincipal camp, I hope she wins in the end.

I don't want MILF Principal spin-off show, I need a MILF Principal spin-off show.

Chick the the amazing ass who hands Walt Jnr the phone?

She was something else!

Nerdlingr

briany wrote: »

Was it ever mentioned exactly why Saul was disappearing? I'm sure he's got more than a few reasons to disappear at this point but I never heard it fully articulated. Has he got DEA heat on him? And if so, how? Maybe they connected him through Skylar?

Was thinking maybe Huell spilled the beans and told everything, incriminating Saul. I mean two DEA agents are presumed dead and missing and the guy that was watching the door where Huell was would obviously have gone running to his superiors once he heard the news. "Gomie and Hank got this guy locked up here, ya might want to come check him out" scenario.