Garda Traffic Corps - are they allowed....

Zambia

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Since you would be over the speed limit, even by 1kph, then yes it is wrong and illegal, However, it is highly unlikely that you will be stopped for being 1kph over the limit.

100% agree even a speed camera wouldn't get you on that.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Since you would be over the speed limit, even by 1kph, then yes it is wrong and illegal, However, it is highly unlikely that you will be stopped for being 1kph over the limit.

So, because some arbitrary cash generating speed limit has been set, it makes it wrong to exceed?

Some things are wrong but not illegal or can be illegal but not wrong.;)

Turtwig

slimjimmc wrote: »

You're confusing the true speed as detected by laser/radar with the speed indicated by your car's speedometer. There is no tolerance on true speed, if you're over 60km/h then you're over and may be prosecuted.

What you're referring to is a worldwide regulation that the speedometers must not under read a speed but are permitted to over read by up to 10% + 4km/h. So, if your speedo is showing a reading of 66km/h then your true speed could range anywhere between 55.8km/h to exactly 66 km/h depending on the accuracy of your speedometer. Don't assume you always have 10%+ leeway.

Are you sure? Because if that's the case a person's car could tell them they're doing a 100 km/hr when they're actually doing 115km/hr and that's before you take into account tire wear and other stuff. That seems ridiculously harsh. I nearly certain the law makes an allowance for this.

CiniO

Jernal wrote: »

Are you sure? Because if that's the case a person's car could tell them they're doing a 100 km/hr when they're actually doing 115km/hr and that's before you take into account tire wear and other stuff. That seems ridiculously harsh. I nearly certain the law makes an allowance for this.

Slimjimmc is correct.
Looks like you understood it oppositely.
Car speedo overreading by 10% +4km/h means, that when vehicle actual speed is 100km/h, then car speedo can show anything between 100km/h to 114km/h.

Jesus.

Zambia wrote: »

It is illegal to do 61 in a 60 zone do you think it's not?
Do I need to break out the crayons?

Okay so its illegal - even though it seemed like you were trying to say it wasn't when I gave you the scenario of a Cop pulling over a guy doing 61 in a 60 zone. Therefore, I presume you feel that the police should stop and fine everyone doing 61 in a 60 then?

Do you think its wrong in every possible scenario, Zambia?

Turtwig

CiniO wrote: »

Slimjimmc is correct.
Looks like you understood it oppositely.
Car speedo overreading by 10% +4km/h means, that when vehicle actual speed is 100km/h, then car speedo can show anything between 100km/h to 114km/h.

Yeah but that was my point. I got the number wrong sorry, should have said 114km/hr. If driver A consistently drives at the speed limit according to his speedometer it seems ridiculously harsh to think he should be prosecuted. The car tells him he's going at 100 km/hr. His actual speed though is 110 km/hr. Which apparently means he can be fined and given points. That's just silly.

CiniO

Jernal wrote: »

Yeah but that was my point. I got the number wrong sorry, should have said 114km/hr. If driver A consistently drives at the speed limit according to his speedometer it seems ridiculously harsh to think he should be prosecuted. The car tells him he's going at 100 km/hr. His actual speed though is 110 km/hr. Which apparently means he can be fined and given points. That's just silly.

Please read again what slimjimmc and myself written above.

Zambia

Jesus. wrote: »

Okay so its illegal. Therefore, I presume you feel that the police should stop and fine everyone doing 61 in a 60 then?

Do you think its wrong in every possible scenario, Zambia?

I never said it was wrong I said it was illegal. In essence it's the line in the sand the further you go over the deeper you get.

The police do not have the means to fine people doing that speed.

Turtwig

CiniO wrote: »

Please read again what slimjimmc and myself written above.

Yours was a litte bit less clear and added to the confusion initially. :P But I understood it from slimjimmcs. Car won't ever tell me a speed slower than my actual speed. Only will tell me speeds faster. Makes sense and seems fair.

Thanks though.

keithclancy

If your driving in a dangerous manner can't you just be done for dangerous driving rather than speeding ?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/act/pub/0025/sec0069.html

This thread is crazy though, Irish mentality is that a speeding fine is some sort of punishment when in fact its just a method of generating revenue.

And people somehow feel 'good' when other people are caught and get a hard on for telling them to pay the fine, you potential child murderer.

I personally couldn't give a crap, sure the Irish system is nuts anyway, 80 euro for a few kms over or 80 euro for 30 km over.

May as well drive 30 over the whole time

Jesus.

Zambia wrote: »

I never said it was wrong I said it was illegal. In essence it's the line in the sand the further you go over the deeper you get.
The police do not have the means to fine people doing that speed.

Nice dodge mate. You see what I'm getting at though.

Zambia

Jesus. wrote: »

Nice dodge mate. You see what I'm getting at though.

It is wrong but easily forgive able sadly I don't see what your getting at.

Anan1

keithclancy wrote: »

This thread is crazy though, Irish mentality is that a speeding fine is some sort of punishment when in fact its just a method of generating revenue.

I was under the impression that enforcing the law on speeding cost considerably more money than it brought in?

keithclancy

Anan1 wrote: »

I was under the impression that enforcing the law on speeding cost considerably more money than it brought in?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/speedvan-firm-racks-up-profits-of-50000-per-week-29434760.html

The so-called Go Safe consortium secured the €80m Garda Siochana contract to operate the speed-camera vans in 2009 and the latest accounts show that the firm recorded operating profits of €3.12m in the 15 months to the end of March 31, or an average of €48,001 per week.

Anan1

keithclancy wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/speedvan-firm-racks-up-profits-of-50000-per-week-29434760.html

I think you need to read that whole article. Also, the state doesn't benefit from Go Safe's efficiencies.

keithclancy

Anan1 wrote: »

I think you need to read that whole article. Also, the state doesn't benefit from Go Safe's efficiencies.

I did read the whole article, the state doesn't benefit but a private entity does instead.

The possibility to outsource a task that 'saves lives' to a private company just enforces the fact that there is a profit to be made otherwise a company that runs on the basis of profit and loss wouldn't do it.

Just saying, its one of the few tasks that can generate some money to cover its cost.

IMO its bollocks, I had my Motorbike stolen some years back and they caught the two guys that did it, they said they weren't going to bring charges against them because they had some other stuff they were trying to catch them on.

Yet a camera can sit at the roadside and automatically stick the same fine on every single person regardless of whether they are travelling 10 or 30 km/h over the limit regardless of whether its on a motorway, national road or in a built up area.

With the current state of affairs, some lad can break into your house, steal some of your stuff and IF caught can spend months waiting for a court case and probably end up with a suspended sentence paying a few euros a week because that's all he can afford

A guy driving past a speed camera on his way to work gets an 80 euro ticket and hasn't hurt anyone or stolen their stuff, he's just a hypothetical nun murdering nutcase.

Anan1

keithclancy wrote: »

I did read the whole article, the state doesn't benefit but a private entity does instead.

The possibility to outsource a task that 'saves lives' to a private company just enforces the fact that there is a profit to be made otherwise a company that runs on the basis of profit and loss wouldn't do it.

But the state doesn't make a profit, so you can't ascribe profit as a motive to the state.

keithclancy

Anan1 wrote: »

But the state doesn't make a profit, so you can't ascribe profit as a motive to the state.

I never said it would, I said it would generate revenue, there's a difference.

Why should the Government make a profit ?

However for a private entity its turning a profit.

ironclaw

keithclancy wrote: »

However for a private entity its turning a profit.

Given the size of that contract, they have well and truly covered their costs by now. In fact, they probably were in profit before the first van went out on the first day. :rolleyes:

Also on the topic of saving lives, this is a new zone and the cops live here. Never seen a GoSafe van on it and its 60km/h so a perfect location. Well sign posted as a GoSafe zone etc. And yet tragedy still occurs:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0928/476987-fatal-accident/

To say a static van, snapping photos or the threat of said van saves lives is just utter nonsense. And yet they are happy to be around corners and in hedges around the country, and they can't 'save' a single life on an arrow straight, well lit road?

falon

Hi
Sorry for making this thread and not coming back, was busy with my new baby and complately forgot about it
Did not read the full thread but i see some think that I am some lunatic
no I am not, usually driving 20km/h over the limit as I think most of limits are ridiculus, by the way, limits outside the populated areas are not for good drivers, these are made for bad drivers that having problems in using mirrors etc. You could easy drive 160 and more on some roads safely, but there are people pulling to your line not looking even to the mirrors properly.
this 60km/h area is South Link in Cork with temporary road works. At the moment road works slowed down, fully opened to the trafic with cones on the road side. On the left line most of drivers are driving around 80km and on the right line at least 100 even in big traffic.
I was driving at nigh around 11pm with empty road. Not lucky as in some way the gard having bad day, small willy, looking to build up his statistics, got on my back.
Finnaly got the fine. My question was here as I was expecting there is some point scale for different limits, looks like any speedeing is ending with 80E and 2 points, so I have no problems with that.

Thats all.
Will not comment anything more in this thred as there is no pint.

Thanks for all comments and informations given.

Zambia

falon wrote: »

Hi
Sorry for making this thread and not coming back, was busy with my new baby and complately forgot about it
Did not read the full thread but i see some think that I am some lunatic
no I am not, usually driving 20km/h over the limit as I think most of limits are ridiculus, by the way, limits outside the populated areas are not for good drivers, these are made for bad drivers that having problems in using mirrors etc. You could easy drive 160 and more on some roads safely, but there are people pulling to your line not looking even to the mirrors properly.
this 60km/h area is South Link in Cork with temporary road works. At the moment road works slowed down, fully opened to the trafic with cones on the road side. On the left line most of drivers are driving around 80km and on the right line at least 100 even in big traffic.
I was driving at nigh around 11pm with empty road. Not lucky as in some way the gard having bad day, small willy, looking to build up his statistics, got on my back.
Finnaly got the fine. My question was here as I was expecting there is some point scale for different limits, looks like any speedeing is ending with 80E and 2 points, so I have no problems with that.

Thats all.
Will not comment anything more in this thred as there is no pint.

Thanks for all comments and informations given.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise the speed limits didn't apply to you because your a good driver.

Boy is my face red

knipex

MugMugs wrote: »

It requires proof that the instrument (in this case his speedo) has been calibrated

No it does not...

If I remember correctly the legislation is worded specifically to exclude that.. From memory a garda requires something to confirm the speed a speedo with suffice..