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thecomedian wrote: »I can't see the harm when it's on common ground. But not when it's private property. Most farmers I know would be against it.
Anyway sorry for derailing the thread.
Let's just hope they don't increase cc tax anymore:)
Electric car tax should be increased though
No I'm not talking the farmers back yard for heavens sake. There is plenty of land close to ditches and hedges, miles form the house.
They can increase taxes on electrics all they want.
I would pay 500 a year road tax on an ev when saving 2000 a year over 20,000 miles in petrol in a 60 mpg car.
They can use it to go towards fast charger installation.
I would however be in favour of 3 litre tax brought down to €500-700 a year on condition it's converted to LPG. Anything to eliminate diesel exhaust.0 -
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thecomedian wrote: »Your completely missing the point. If people can walk on my land I cant tell them to **** off. More and more will be walking. People don't do it now because it's private property.
Who will pay for all of this tracks?
If there are cycle tracks/trails and people are only allowed on the tracks most people will obey, you can still go out on your quad with rifle and shotgun if they disobey that rule.
However I would say most people would only be too delighted to be able to use proper cycle trails than share bad quality back roads with traffic and wouldn't bother crossing farm land. I doubt there will be more people straying onto farm land than there is now, unless of course it's got a view that the cycle lane doesn't go on.
Who'll pay ? well that goes back to the discussion about the high Deutsch taxes and how some of it can be put to good use.
Dublin also needs an underground and what employment that and cycle lanes would generate !
I got it all worked out !
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MetzgerMeister wrote: »No but because you bought a 4WD audi TT so you could drive around the fields and look cool :P
Ha, I should have really put a hitch on that when I had it 0 -
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[Deleted User] wrote: »If there are cycle tracks/trails and people are only allowed on the tracks most people will obey, you can still go out on your quad with rifle and shotgun if they disobey that rule.
However I would say most people would only be too delighted to be able to use proper cycle trails than share bad quality back roads with traffic and wouldn't bother crossing farm land. I doubt there will be more people straying onto farm land than there is now, unless of course it's got a view that the cycle lane doesn't go on.
Who'll pay ? well that goes back to the discussion about the high Deutsch taxes and how some of it can be put to good use.
Dublin also needs an underground and what employment that and cycle lanes would generate !
I got it all worked out !
I'd by all for proper cycle lanes, but I don't see why people should have access to farmland.
Unfortunately I don't own a quad and a gun. But I could see a new form of entertainment there.
On the tax, I don't think I could take another increase. I dropped down from the 3.0+ to 2.9 because of this.0 -
thecomedian wrote: »Yes, and why am I a bad un?
Because I don't want strangers coming in on private property?
Yes.
Thankfully most farmers I've met wouldn't have a problem with someone walking along the edge of their fields.
Don't be such a sour bollox. You only live the once 0 -
thecomedian wrote: »I'd by all for proper cycle lanes, but I don't see why people should have access to farmland.
Ah don't be such a miserable git, farmers have plenty of land to spare for a measly cycle path.
Just because they are on the "land" doesn't mean they are going to raid your house FFS !
You say property, but I'm not talking about your back yard.
And as I said, could be a good little earner in summer for a lot of farmers offering food and a place to kip for the night.0 -
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Yes.
Thankfully most farmers I've met wouldn't have a problem with someone walking along the edge of their fields.
Don't be such a sour bollox. You only live the once
If a farmer says your more than welcome to go for a stroll on his land that's fine.
I don't know comedian but if I knew him got on well with him etc, he might have no problem with me being allowed in on his land.
My neighbour allows me to walk the dog and pick the Bramley apples on one of his apple trees (the mother bakes him pies in return) but although he doesn't use the land, or the apples himself, I wouldn't go on the land without his permission or if I didn't know him.
What was proposed was permission to go on farmland.
Treks and trails etc. I don't think too many farmers would have any problem with so long as they were
A ) compensated
And
done in an organised and structured way
C) not people walking in around their farms.
Most farmers wouldn't have a problem so long as their was no people damaging their lands etc.0 -
If a farmer says your more than welcome to go for a stroll on his land that's fine.
I don't know comedian but if I knew him got on well with him etc, he might have no problem with me being allowed in on his land.
My neighbour allows me to walk the dog and pick the Bramley apples on one of his apple trees (the mother bakes him pies in return) but although he doesn't use the land, or the apples himself, I wouldn't go on the land without his permission or if I didn't know him.
What was proposed was permission to go on farmland.
Treks and trails etc. I don't think too many farmers would have any problem with so long as they were
A ) compensated
And done in an organised and structured way
C) not people walking in around their farms.
Most farmers wouldn't have a problem so long as their was no people damaging their lands etc.
I'd have no problem with someone asking, we let one person bring their hounds on our land, even with sheep in the land. But we know him and he is careful with the dogs.
Some people have no respect and think they can go anywhere. I'm talking about the minority here but that's all it takes to cause a huge problem.
Maybe if we had tillage and not livestock my thoughts would be different.0 -
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[Deleted User] wrote: »Ah don't be such a miserable git, farmers have plenty of land to spare for a measly cycle path.
Just because they are on the "land" doesn't mean they are going to raid your house FFS !
You say property, but I'm not talking about your back yard.
And as I said, could be a good little earner in summer for a lot of farmers offering food and a place to kip for the night.
Sorry madlad but there is no way you're a farmer. It's not just the house, it's the yard, animals, equipment in sheds.0 -
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What was proposed was permission to go on farmland.
Treks and trails etc. I don't think too many farmers would have any problem with so long as they were
A ) compensated
And done in an organised and structured way
C) not people walking in around their farms.
It's always the same with farmers, everything comes down to money ! :rolleyes:
I would certainly not compensate farmers, they have enough land and surely there could be agreement as to what land could be used that's the least disruptive.
Again I'm not talking about trails to the farmyard, jaysus.
The cost of paying farmers millions for land and laying proper cycle tracks with a proper surface would make the project prohibitive, as I said the farmers could use their brains and set up cafes and a place to kip for the night on trails in the sticks, a place to charge the leccy bike battery.
The cost to build these cycle lanes would be in the multiple millions but it could generate millions in tourism because a lot of people want to cycle around Ireland but it's too dangerous on the crap roads and it is a turn off to tourists.
They also need to build proper town and city cycle lanes, those Dublin cycle lanes are a complete joke and a typical half assed Irish way of doing things.
An example of a typical half arsed Irish way of doing things, Drive through Carlow Town past the I.T and they made a wonderful cycle lane on the old N9 Kilkenny road, they divided the hard shoulder with a line of paint ! FFS ! only in Ireland.
In the end many jobs could be created, and we could also build an underground for Dublin and a link to the airport.
Cost ? multiple billions sure, what the money for the bank bailout could have done ?
We could be paying the bank bailout for 50 years, so why not borrow for 100 years and get a decent infrastructure going ? and while we're at it link the motorways, build a decent motorway to Mayo and Donegal and to Kerry.
The country will not get moving again without money, that means borrowing.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Anyone can raid a farm if they want, cycle paths are not going to mean there will be a sudden increase in break ins.
What will people do ? attack a trailer to a bicycle and go robbing farms ? perhaps milking equipment goes for a good price these days ? :pac:
It just makes it easier to see what's around the farm.
A car trailer can be worth over 3-4000. I'm not 100% sure but milking equipment goes well into the thousands
But back to the tax, I cant see them doing us any favours. which is a shame as it would increase sales on older large engine cars.
It would make it easier to have a weekend car also.0 -
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thecomedian wrote: »It just makes it easier to see what's around the farm.
A car trailer can be worth over 3-4000. I'm not 100% sure but milking equipment goes well into the thousands
But back to the tax, I cant see them doing us any favours. which is a shame as it would increase sales on older large engine cars.
It would make it easier to have a weekend car also.
The Government won't reduce tax on big CC engines, they want rid of old cars and the only way to do that is increase taxes.0
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