any bits of gta5 i can let my 10yr old play?

lukesmom

Get Real wrote: »

@lukesmom

I don't think it's suitable to allow a child to play this game. However, I'm not as extreme in my views in that I think if you want to let him, fair enough, your choice. I don't agree with you, but don't judge you either.

However, one thing struck me. It was brought up by another poster to which you never responded. You claim your son plays this game online with his friends as they all have it.

The online version isn't ready yet. So do you know the game in depth? If he's saying he's playing it online, when its not even online then maybe he's saying his friends have it when in actual fact they don't.

And if they do, fair enough. But regardless of this, you should know if it is or not. As I said, I respect your position on allowing him to play the game, and that's your choice.

BUT I bet you your son would be uncomfortable if you sat down and played with him/fully observed him killing hookers/robbing cars etc. So sit down, not just in the same room as him, but actually beside him. Then play yourself when he's not around. If you still think its ok, grand. But implying you know the game very well, what your son does in it, who he plays with, and that he plays online when online hasn't even been launched yet is crazy imo.

He plays games online xbox live with his pals. He plays gta5 and only has it since Friday and plays it with my husband, his dad. I don't play these games but I trust my husbands judgement as he plays these games too.

jill_valentine

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Ah here, I remember me and my friend used to play GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas from the time we were 7 and we turned out grand Just make sure you're in the room with him when he plays it.

I agree with you a lot of the time, but I have to say no on this.

I've played all the GTA games, and this one is an entirely different animal to Vice City or San Andreas. There's a comedic tone to the violence in Vice City, and it's not generally "personal" in SA, but GTA V... no. It's different, there's a grit and a vicious humour to it that simply was not present in those titles. Which is fine, it's part of the personality of the game, but it does make it unsuitable.

There are plenty of 18s games and movies I'd be okay with somebody younger kid seeing and playing, but just not this one. All 18s games are not created equally, but this is for sure a hard 18, it's well earned. The treatment of sex, violence, and indeed, sexualised violence is simply not suitable for somebody in a formative stage who could not have developed interpretive contexts for it yet - a child playing the torture scene is not going to be seeing it through a political lens. They're just going to be torturing somebody so they can progress through the story, a functional means to an end, which is sort of... not the point. Nor are they going to hear the ads on the radio with the satirical edge intended.

In general, I feel there's an unfair hysteria around the GTA series in media, but I could not, in good conscience, tell somebody it's fine for their kid to play. Obviously, the parent makes the final decision, but... I can't see any way anybody could be fine with their child playing this, except that it's easier to say yes than no.

Frank Black

lukesmom wrote: »

My son is playing it and he's 11. My choice.

That's nothing.

I'm watching The Human Centipede with my 4 year old later.

RandomName2

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Heavy gun play, violence, torture, prostitution, heroin, racism, arson, theft, murder/assassination, drink driving as all major themes of the game and your okay with this? Never mind Trevors rampage missions.

You see, this gets on my nerves.

Assassination, misogyny, drinking, gambling, terrorism, torture, assault, murder. Think this is suitable for anybody to see? I'm describing James Bond btw.

Context is everything.

Not saying that as a justification of the game btw, just against the sweeping statement.

krudler

lukesmom wrote: »

He plays games online xbox live with his pals. He plays gta5 and only has it since Friday and plays it with my husband, his dad. I don't play these games but I trust my husbands judgement as he plays these games too.

You should sit down and watch him play then, would you let him watch Game of Thrones or something with tons of sex and violence in it?

fourmations

thanks all, OP here

i had/have no intention of just letting him play
its just so he can see it for a minute

as an xbox fan he is well aware of the hype
and of course his mates in school are all talking about it
and you can bet the older brothers are too in the yard

is there a racetrack or anything, i can just mute it

cheers

jill_valentine

fourmations wrote: »

thanks all, OP here

i had/have no intention of just letting him play
its just so he can see it for a minute

as an xbox fan he is well aware of the hype
and of course his mates in school are all talking about it
and you can bet the older brothers are too in the yard

is there a racetrack or anything, i can just mute it

cheers

The closest would probably be the triathalon, tennis minigames, maybe the street races, or the flight school. They all have to be unlocked though, and he's probably going to be wise to the fact that they're not really the "GTA experience"

I know it's a tricky one to navigate with a kid, when they're just at that age, but like I say, even for an 18s title it's pretty salty.

lukesmom

krudler wrote: »

You should sit down and watch him play then, would you let him watch Game of Thrones or something with tons of sex and violence in it?

As I previously said my husband plays the xbox with him and I trust his judgement. My son knows the difference between reality and fantasy.

o1s1n

lukesmom wrote: »

As I previously said my husband plays the xbox with him and I trust his judgement. My son knows the difference between reality and fantasy.

Well then your husband has extremely bad judgement.

I've been playing it for about 12 hours now and have already seen two scenes of a guy giving it to a girl doggy style, strip clubs, prostitutes, lots of drug use, as well as a very gratuitous torture scene which includes pulling a guy's teeth out with a pliers, electrocuting him, cracking his legs with a big, wheel brace type thing..all while he whimpers in pain.

It's heavy stuff, anyone who sits there playing a game where you're taking photos of someone getting it up the arse with an 11 year old sitting beside you needs their head checked.

frozenfrozen

My parents let me play gta when I was very young starting at about 8. I'm fine now; I think. Anyone here saying its bad parenting is just jealous their parents didn't let them play gta when they were young. I'm only just legally old enough to play gta now, that's a little bit more scary...

hoodwinked

fourmations wrote: »

thanks all, OP here

i had/have no intention of just letting him play
its just so he can see it for a minute

as an xbox fan he is well aware of the hype
and of course his mates in school are all talking about it
and you can bet the older brothers are too in the yard

is there a racetrack or anything, i can just mute it

cheers

the problem is by letting him play 'just a little' may do more harm than good, especially if his friends are playing it, they may mock or laugh at him more if he is saying he is playing it and has no clue about the game itself when they are talking about it,


honestly if it was my child i would just explain the game is for adults and when he is an adult you will let him play it. if it won't go down very well with him well to be honest thats what parenting is about, its not being the best friend its about being the responsible adult,


the problem with gaming is unlike movies/games in our day, parents these days are under more pressure, its more embarrassing these days to admit your ten year old knows more about gaming than you which is why you end up with parents saying things like "i know exactly what they are doing" while being fed mis information by the ten year desperate to play the game.

if you would let your ten year old watch porn, then this game is ok for them, if you would not then no this game is off limits too im afraid.

o1s1n

frozenfrozen wrote: »

My parents let me play gta when I was very young starting at about 8. I'm fine now; I think. Anyone here saying its bad parenting is just jealous their parents didn't let them play gta when they were young. I'm only just legally old enough to play gta now, that's a little bit more scary...

It's not a case of whether people are going to turn out 'fine' or not. It's whether you want your kid to be exposed to this kind of content. In my view, that's bad parenting.

On a side point, there's a vast difference between GTA and GTA V.

efb

I think I'll get my 10 year old nephew to watch Resevoir Dogs- except the Madonna bit...

Get Real

Also, i really want to play the game myself:D, but for a child i'm not sure.

lukesmom: "I don't play these games but I trust my husbands judgement as he plays these games too"

In fairness, there is a part where you have to physically torture a victim, removing his teeth with a wrench. And also where you have to electrocute a person. Article, and two related pics, located here:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/18/grand-theft-auto-5-under-fire-for-graphic-torture-scene

Also, videos (18s only) of this mission are located here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NrsicTLC5Q

and again (18plus) where you have to photo a celebrity sex act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mkXfMyWhiM

jantheman91

o1s1n wrote: »

Well then your husband has extremely bad judgement.

I've been playing it for about 12 hours now and have already seen two scenes of a guy giving it to a girl doggy style, strip clubs, prostitutes, lots of drug use, as well as a very gratuitous torture scene which includes pulling a guy's teeth out with a pliers, electrocuting him, cracking his legs with a big, wheel brace type thing..all while he whimpers in pain.

It's heavy stuff, anyone who sits there playing a game where you're taking photos of someone getting it up the arse with an 11 year old sitting beside you needs their head checked.

Who are you to dictate somebody's judgement? Do you know the child in question?

I was allowed play these games at that age too and grew up perfectly fine. I've never been in a fight, done drugs, raped, or murdered anyone.

I got through school, and university fine and am in a better place than most.

Video games are used as a scape goat by overpaid, under-educated, moronic journalists.

People on here really infuriate me. Jesus wept.

o1s1n

Get Real wrote: »

and again (18plus) where you have to photo a celebrity sex act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mkXfMyWhiM

That's the one I was on about.

Skip to 2:00 in Lukesmom. You'd have no problem sitting there with an 11 year old watching that, yeah?

o1s1n

jantheman91 wrote: »

Who are you to dictate somebody's judgement? Do you know the child in question?

I was allowed play these games at that age too and grew up perfectly fine. I've never been in a fight, done drugs, raped, or murdered anyone.

I got through school, and university fine and am in a better place than most.

Video games are used as a scape goat by overpaid, under-educated, moronic journalists.

People on here really infuriate me. Jesus wept.

Read my above post about it having nothing to do with growing up 'fine' - It's about the content your children are exposed to.

There's a huge difference in content between games when we grew up and games now. The ignorance of people astounds me.

Don't let your young children play over 18s games. It's fairly bloody simple.

I'm a huge videogame fan by the way, so there's no 'scapegoating' going on here. I'm well aware what games content are and can make that judgement far better than someone who doesn't play games.

jantheman91

o1s1n wrote: »

Read my above post about it having nothing to do with growing up 'fine' - It's about the content your children are exposed to.

There's a huge difference in content between games when we grew up and games now. The ignorance of people astounds me.

Don't let your young children play over 18s games. It's fairly bloody simple.

I'm a huge videogame fan by the way, so there's no 'scapegoating' going on here. I'm well aware what games content are and can make that judgement far better than someone who doesn't play games.

I don't think you're quite familiar with the gaming scene, you must be one of the new bandwagon jumpers that have joined us in recent years.

I played the game 'Manhunt' when i was 12 years old. It was apparently so bad that it has been banned in several countries and the release of it's sequel 'Manhunt 2' was banned in others.

To say that video games nowadays are worse is a gross misconception. Play this game, or at least research it and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

At the end of the day i really couldn't give a hoot. The child isn't mine, and therefore it is none of my business.

Benny_Cake

Ignorance regarding the contents of the game is the only possible reason I can imagine for someone to let their kids play GTA V. It's pretty hardcore..I've played GTA since the first game in the late 90s and there is a lot more violent and sexual content in this one. If you've played it, you'll know this. There is no responsible way to allow a 10 year old to play this game.

o1s1n

jantheman91 wrote: »

I don't think you're quite familiar with the gaming scene, you must be one of the new bandwagon jumpers that have joined us in recent years..

I'm 29 years old, my first console was a Megadrive, I have two arcade machines, 100 arcade PCBs, 50 consoles and about 1000 games, so GTFO with that comment :pac:

jantheman91 wrote: »

I played the game 'Manhunt' when i was 12 years old. It was apparently so bad that it has been banned in several countries and the release of it's sequel 'Manhunt 2' was refuted in others.

I was older than you when Manhunt came out and yeah, it was pretty gory. Also not for kids. What's your point?

Oh and Manhunt 2 isn't 'older', it's on the Wii. Although I guess if you played Manhunt at 12 you must be still a kid

jantheman91

o1s1n wrote: »

I'm 29 years old, my first console was a Megadrive, I have two arcade machines, 100 arcade PCBs, 50 consoles and about 1000 games, so GTFO with that comment :pac:



I was older than you when Manhunt came out and yeah, it was pretty gory. Also not for kids. What's your point?

Oh and Manhunt 2 isn't 'older', it's on the Wii. Although I guess if you played Manhunt at 12 you must be still a kid

Manhunt came out in 2003. It's now 2013. If i was 12 when it came out i'm no longer a kid.

To the OP: Don't take advice from this person. Simple math seems to be an issue, so I highly doubt judgement is one of their fortes.

jill_valentine

jantheman91 wrote: »

I was allowed play these games at that age too and grew up perfectly fine. I've never been in a fight, done drugs, raped, or murdered anyone.

Again, there is a world of difference between the games you grew up with and the tone and graphic standards at play here.

When I was younger, I played a lot of Silent Hill. The visuals at the time, were so limited that "rust" and "blood" was interchangeable, how "graphic" it was came down to your imagination.

Forcibly removing somebody's teeth is a world away from anything the player character in previous GTA's was ever capable of doing. This game is not comparable to previous games in the series in that regard.

Kenjataimu

As O1s1n mentioned games now are completely different. This GTA is a lot more realistic, sadistic & graphic than ever before.

In my opinion its too much for a 10 year old... maybe from around 15 and up would be ok.

And saying a Sega mod is unfamiliar with gaming is probably the funniest thing I have seen on this thread :pac:

jantheman91

jill_valentine wrote: »

Again, there is a world of difference between the games you grew up with and the tone and graphic standards at play here.

When I was younger, I played a lot of Silent Hill. The visuals at the time, were so limited that "rust" and "blood" was interchangeable, how "graphic" it was came down to your imagine.

Forcibly removing somebody's teeth is a world away from anything the player character in previous GTA's was ever capable of doing. This game is not comparable to previous games in the series in that regard.

Is that why GTAV is available in more countries than Manhunt?

Once again, another misinformed 'gamer'.

o1s1n

jantheman91 wrote: »

Manhunt came out in 2003. It's now 2013. If i was 12 when it came out i'm no longer a kid.

To the OP: Don't take advice from this person. Simple math seems to be an issue, so I highly doubt judgement is one of their fortes.

If you were born in 1991 you're a kid to me sonny

Cd_doe

I suppose it be ok for him to pick up a prostitute, ride her and then beat her to death with a baseball bat so he can get his money back...

Kenjataimu

jantheman91 wrote: »

Is that why GTAV is available in more countries than Manhunt?

Once again, another misinformed 'gamer'.

You havent even played this game yet, you are a troll, plain and simple :pac:

Below from two days ago:

jantheman91 wrote: »

Think mine arrives on Monday. Not arsed either way. Will play it whenever.

VinLieger

jantheman91 wrote: »

Manhunt came out in 2003. It's now 2013. If i was 12 when it came out i'm no longer a kid.

To the OP: Don't take advice from this person. Simple math seems to be an issue, so I highly doubt judgement is one of their fortes.

No but by your reasoning since a lot of us are older than you we have been gaming for longer so therefore you are the bandwagonner.

Also using your epeen and leet gaming history to make your argument and opinion seem more important is weaksauce.

jantheman91

Proco Jr. wrote: »

You havent even played this game yet, you are a troll, plain and simple :pac:

Below from two days ago:

Ahh yes, because not having the game means i haven't borrowed it from a mate who has completed the missions, while i await the arrival of my own.

You are a genius.

jill_valentine

jantheman91 wrote: »

Is that why GTAV is available in more countries than Manhunt?

Once again, another misinformed 'gamer'.

The reason Manhunt attracted unusually serious scrutiny was largely because of the motion control elements generating a new facet of media attention. I know this, because I was fielding calls from both suppliers and media outlets at the time for a games store when it was supposed to get its initial release.

I'm surprised somebody so well informed didn't know that, but you carry on.

krudler

jantheman91 wrote: »

Is that why GTAV is available in more countries than Manhunt?

Once again, another misinformed 'gamer'.

Oh dear...

jantheman91

VinLieger wrote: »

No but by your reasoning since a lot of us are older than you we have been gaming for longer so therefore you are the bandwagonner.

Also using your epeen and leet gaming history to make your argument and opinion seem more important is weaksauce.

My apologies. I'm the bandwagonner because i wasn't born sooner.

I'll make sure to remedy that right away. :pac:

o1s1n

jantheman91 wrote: »

Is that why GTAV is available in more countries than Manhunt?

WTF has Manhunt got to do with the debate? That's also not suitable for children. What's your point?

Oh right, that you played Manhunt when you were 12 and are now 'fine'. Round of applause for you. Great arguement that, really outdid yourself.

I'm sure lots of people watched porn when they were kids and now they're also 'fine'. I guess we should all let our 10 and 11 year olds watch lots of hardcore porn so. Sounds like a good family event.

jantheman91 wrote: »

Once again, another misinformed 'gamer'.

:rolleyes:

/Bows to jantheman91, the only person true to the moniker 'gamer', with his vast gaming knowledge and experience...even though he probably can't remember most of the 90s. :pac:

Kenjataimu

jantheman91 wrote: »

Ahh yes, because not having the game means i haven't borrowed it from a mate who has completed the missions, while i await the arrival of my own.

You are a genius.

You are full of what Chop does a lot :pac: :pac:

jantheman91

o1s1n wrote: »

WTF has Manhunt got to do with the debate? That's also not suitable for children. What's your point?

Oh right, that you played Manhunt when you were 12 and are now 'fine'. Round of applause for you. Great arguement that, really outdid yourself.

I'm sure lots of people watched porn when they were kids and now they're also 'fine'. I guess we should all let our 10 and 11 year olds watch lots of hardcore porn so. Sounds like a good family event.



:rolleyes:

/Bows to jantheman91, the only person true to the moniker 'gamer', with his vast gaming knowledge and experience...even though he probably can't remember most of the 90s. :pac:

Exactly, there you have it.

krudler

o1s1n wrote: »

Well then your husband has extremely bad judgement.

I've been playing it for about 12 hours now and have already seen two scenes of a guy giving it to a girl doggy style, strip clubs, prostitutes, lots of drug use, as well as a very gratuitous torture scene which includes pulling a guy's teeth out with a pliers, electrocuting him, cracking his legs with a big, wheel brace type thing..all while he whimpers in pain.

It's heavy stuff, anyone who sits there playing a game where you're taking photos of someone getting it up the arse with an 11 year old sitting beside you needs their head checked.

Not to mention the amount of random swearing, I've never heard so many uses of the word cunt in a game. Now I'm all for games aimed at mature audiences, put what you want in games. But letting a child play them is pretty irresponsible imo. If you pick up a hooker she tells you to cum on her face if she's blowing you.

VinLieger

jantheman91 wrote: »

My apologies. I'm the bandwagonner because i wasn't born sooner.

I'll make sure to remedy that right away. :pac:

Well done youve realised how ridiculous your reasoning is. Now get down off your high horse and realise you arent better than anyone cus youve been playing games longer

jantheman91

VinLieger wrote: »

Well done youve realised how ridiculous your reasoning is. Now get down off your high horse and realise you arent better than anyone cus youve been playing games longer

TRDR

mr bungle.

i have an eleven year old and from what i have heard about this game he definitely won't be playing it,but saying that he has played COD games since he was seven or eight,we have great crack playing it together and have endless chats about it,in fact it helps me to stay"in touch" with what he is into as he grows up,bad parenting?*runs for cover*:)

o1s1n

jantheman91 wrote: »

Exactly, there you have it.

Great vague post. More applause for you

krudler wrote: »

Not to mention the amount of random swearing, I've never heard so many uses of the word cunt in a game. Now I'm all for games aimed at mature audiences, put what you want in games. But letting a child play them is pretty irresponsible imo. If you pick up a hooker she tells you to cum on her face if she's blowing you.

Exactly.

Here's the problem. Unfortunately there's an association between videogames and children. It's a very annoying one as it means adults who enjoy them get the whole 'when are you going to grow out of that' phase thing aimed at them.

But on the flip side, it means silly, uninformed parents have zero concept of what their kids are actually playing.

Then when one of them does realize, they go ape ****, trying to ban games because again, it's in their brain that they're made for kids.

krudler

VinLieger wrote: »

Well done youve realised how ridiculous your reasoning is. Now get down off your high horse and realise you arent better than anyone cus youve been playing games longer

He hasn't :pac: was pumping my communion money into arcade games when he was but a rumbling in his daddy's jocks.

krudler

mr bungle. wrote: »

i have an eleven year old and from what i have heard about this game he definitely won't be playing it,but saying that he has played COD games since he was seven or eight,we have great crack playing it together and have endless chats about it,in fact it helps me to stay"in touch" with what he is into as he grows up,bad parenting?*runs for cover*:)

The multiplayer part of COD isn't all that violent though, the single player modes have their moments, like the in famous "No Russian" level in Modern Warfare 2. It's not comparable to GTAV at all. the only riding in COD is the threats of it over the mics coming out of screeching kids about their mothers.

mr bungle.

@ krudler i have graphic violence settings off so the gore levels are down a bit,yeah he is totally guilty of high pitched screech in the Mic,had to pull him up on it a few times!btw i reckon over half his class play over 18 games,but gta sounds off the scale

Icepick

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/at1oul/annoyed-gamer-gta-v-is-not-the-enemy

Thecageyone

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I play FIFA online, different story to GTA. An 11yr old CHILD should not be playing this game, it's not up for debate.

What's not up for debate, is other people's parenting. Who are you to judge? The question was are there any sections that would be ok for a 10yr old to play ... not am I a bad parent, and please tell me so ...

Sheesh. Does it matter to YOU what others let their kids do? I think you're out of line.

I say if you sit with them and let them just drive around, sound off, play some music or whatever, and not go near the missions, it would seem no worse than any war/fps/fighting game.

It's the cut-scenes and swearing make it 18+

lukesmom

I think some are overreacting. It's only a game. Not real life and my 11 year old knows this well. He has never fought, has impeccable manners and he is well aware of what is real and what is fantasy. This is how I choose to parent my son. If others don't agree that is their problem not mine.

Thecageyone

I agree. And I certainly don't think people should be calling others bad parents on a game forum ... they could just say "No, I don't think it's suitable" and leave it at that.

krudler

lukesmom wrote: »

I think some are overreacting. It's only a game. Not real life and my 11 year old knows this well. He has never fought, has impeccable manners and he is well aware of what is real and what is fantasy. This is how I choose to parent my son. If others don't agree that is their problem not mine.

Yeah but it's a game aimed at adults, honestly sit down and watch him play, then decide for yourself if it' suitable for an 11 year old child to play out a scene where you film a celebrity getting banged up the arse in broad daylight. You've said yourself you dont know anything about the game, educate yourself.

o1s1n

lukesmom wrote: »

I think some are overreacting. It's only a game. Not real life and my 11 year old knows this well. He has never fought, has impeccable manners and he is well aware of what is real and what is fantasy. This is how I choose to parent my son. If others don't agree that is their problem not mine.

Of for the love of... if I have to say one more time it's not about your kid turning out 'fine' I'll scream. :pac:

So you basically have no problem with your child being exposed to content which is aimed squarely at adults.

Did you watch that previous clip posted and go to 2 minutes in?

So is that scene where the guy has the girl bent over a table okay for your 11 year old then yeah?

AdamD

People in here really are over reacting. Wanting to take children away from parents because they let them play GTA?

Jesus wept indeed.