any bits of gta5 i can let my 10yr old play?

ScrubsfanChris

bennyl10 wrote: »

He's gonna watch it at 12/13.. watching it at 11 isn't gonna make mush difference.. we all have at that age.. just because you're a parent now doesn't mean your children have different thought than what you had..

Would you really stop your son being friends with someone because they found porn on the internet? don't be daft!

Could you please point out where I said that?

bennyl10

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Ehh....... because its for 16 year olds and above

actually most are 16A now.. which means under 16;s can attend as accompanied by a guardian/parent.. which makes sense.. again.. I've seen 16's movies aged 14. 12's movies aged 10/11.. nothing bad as happened me and I'm fine..

the child is gonna see it a year later, he's gonna hear about the movie/game/whatever f4om his friends..

DesperateDan

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Ehh....... because its for 16 year olds and above

I'll go back to what I said, does a flip switch in a teenagers head when they reach 16, enabling them to absorb the content in a mature manner?

No.

Cianos

lukesmom wrote: »

Yeah I know for a fact my lad has seen porn in his friends house, big deal he's a lad and that's what lads do. I was shocked but that's what happens when mammy and daddy aren't supervising 24/7. That's life and you can't blanket your kids from everything, you can only hope they are truthful with you and know that anything is up for discussion if they want to talk.

Edited to say he has an iPod and wifi here and I check the internet history to see what he's been looking at. It's mostly gaming stuff on YouTube and Twitter. I don't allow him on Facebook or askfm.

So because you can't stop your kid from ever seeing anything unsuitable, you'll allow him to see as much of it as he likes? So, an all or nothing kind of approach?

Just curious where you'd draw the line? Is there anything you wouldn't allow your child to watch?

Also, in terms of his development, are you satisfied that him watching extreme sex and violence hasn't had any negative effects mainly because those negative effects haven't been exhibited yet? If he did start displaying violent behaviour or disturbing thoughts would you not worry that the content you're providing him with would have contributed, and that that would have been so easily avoided?

Or even if they don't exhibit themselves, would you ever worry that there are possible internal effects from viewing extreme content (anxiety, stress, phobias etc) that negatively effect his outlook on life?

So many questions, but as a fellow parent I'm interested in your opinion.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

drumswan wrote: »

It doesnt cause any problems for adults, not for young children. Jesus, some simpletons on here today who cant differentiate between adults and children.

do you not remember anything of being that age? I watched running man when i was <10, didn't cry myself to sleep, didn't start cutting myself or stabbing people.. I just went on with my life, probably played some football the next day and pestered my parents to buy me a roy of the rovers bar.
same with mortal kombat which i played around 10/11 with all its fatalities and gory bloody violence.
some children it can affect a great deal, some children would be able for it. it's the parents decision.

bennyl10

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

do you not remember anything of being that age? I watched running man when i was <10, didn't cry myself to sleep, didn't start cutting myself or stabbing people.. I just went on with my life, probably played some football the next day and pestered my parents to buy me a roy of the rovers bar.
same with mortal kombat which i played around 10/11 with all its fatalities and gory bloody violence.
some children it can affect a great deal, some children would be able for it. it's the parents decision.

COMMON SENSE FINALLY!

mikom

lukesmom wrote: »

Yeah well I'll just have to trust that he isn't clearing the history, certainly not gonna have sleepless nights over it.

He will......................... "Thanks mammy"....... SPLURGE......... "By the way I need some clean tube socks"

bohsman

lukesmom wrote: »

I never said I was happy with him watching porn, I said he saw it at a friends house, he doesn't watch it at home.

Why the problem with porn? Surely he should be ok to sit down and watch it with his dad if GTA V is ok.

ScrubsfanChris

bennyl10 wrote: »

actually most are 16A now.. which means under 16;s can attend as accompanied by a guardian/parent.. which makes sense.. again.. I've seen 16's movies aged 14. 12's movies aged 10/11.. nothing bad as happened me and I'm fine..

the child is gonna see it a year later, he's gonna hear about the movie/game/whatever f4om his friends..

15A and 16

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

bohsman wrote: »

Why the problem with porn? Surely he should be ok to sit down and watch it with his dad if GTA V is ok.

"you let your child walk to school on his own? sure why not put him on a plane to iraq and give him an ak"

lukesmom

Cianos wrote: »

So because you can't stop your kid from ever seeing anything unsuitable, you'll allow him to see as much of it as he likes? So, an all or nothing kind of approach?

Just curious where you'd draw the line? Is there anything you wouldn't allow your child to watch?

Also, in terms of his development, are you satisfied that him watching extreme sex and violence hasn't had any negative effects mainly because those negative effects haven't been exhibited yet? If he did start displaying violent behaviour or disturbing thoughts would you not worry that the content you're providing him with would have contributed, and that that would have been so easily avoided?

Or even if they don't exhibit themselves, would you ever worry that there are possible internal effects from viewing extreme content (anxiety, stress, phobias etc) that negatively effect his outlook on life?

So many questions, but as a fellow parent I'm interested in your opinion.

No as a fellow parent I am not overly concerned that playing gtav is going to cause him any negative issues.

DesperateDan

Cianos wrote: »

Just curious where you'd draw the line? Is there anything you wouldn't allow your child to watch?

...

Or even if they don't exhibit themselves, would you ever worry that there are possible internal effects from viewing extreme content (anxiety, stress, phobias etc) that negatively effect his outlook on life?

If a child is exhibiting anxiety, stress, phobias etc., obviously that would need to be examined, but I can assure you it is extremely unlikely to be as a result of killing cops in GTA.

krudler

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

do you not remember anything of being that age? I watched running man when i was <10, didn't cry myself to sleep, didn't start cutting myself or stabbing people.. I just went on with my life, probably played some football the next day and pestered my parents to buy me a roy of the rovers bar.
same with mortal kombat which i played around 10/11 with all its fatalities and gory bloody violence.
some children it can affect a great deal, some children would be able for it. it's the parents decision.

yeah but Mortal Kombat is so over the top its cartoonish, I know GTA has plenty of cartoonish violence too but there's a big difference between a guy with a lizard's face eating someones head and being in control of a player twisting someons tooth out of their head then waterboarding and electrocuting them in a more realistic situation.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

krudler wrote: »

yeah but Mortal Kombat is so over the top its cartoonish, I know GTA has plenty of cartoonish violence too but there's a big difference between a guy with a lizard's face eating someones head and being in control of a player twisting someons tooth out of their head then waterboarding and electrocuting them in a more realistic situation.

scorpion ripped his opponents head off their shoulders and held it high with the spine dangling and bloody hanging underneath.

so long as the child understands the difference between fantasy violence and real life consequences, there's not that much of an issue

circadian

If you need to ask OP then the answer is probably no.

funt cucker

lukesmom wrote: »

My son is playing it and he's 11. My choice.

Did he show you how to beat up the prostitutes with the crow bar yet?

Frank Black

MAybe we should all ease up on poor Luke's Mom - I mean her attitude to parenting is hardly unique. In fact it seems to be becoming the norm for parents to not want to tell their child 'no'.

Far easier to just give in to little Johnny or Luke's demands and the try to justify it using some half arsed reasoning about them being exposed to it anyway outside the home.

As a parent myself, the mind boggles at the though of playing this game with my kids - what would you actually talk about during the ass ****ing scenes?

Paramite Pie

Rabbo wrote: »

Well, it is indeed your choice but it screams of lazy parenting to me.

I hope it doesn't do him damage at that highly impressionable age. I'm glad my mother had the sense to set me boundaries when I was growing up.

Although it does seem too young, I did see some 18+ movies at that age. I watched South Park at the age of 11. Also I had heard every swear word going in real life (school not at home) before I'd seen it on tv. I had GTA III at the age of 15. Did me no damage. Never committed a crime and I don't swear that much either.

I'm quite squeamish when it comes to real life blood (even small amounts) but games don't generate that reaction yet, despite the increased realism.

My younger cousin got Vice City at the age of 10. He's now a responsible almost adult. Very mature for his age (17). He even drinks responsibly at family weddings (he's allowed to drink pints but I've never seen him drunk, he'll even turn down a pint if someone offers to buy him one. Find me another 17 yr old who'll refuse a drink!!).:eek:

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

If a parent decides it's ok for an 11yr old to see that kind of thing then I'd strongly recommend the children be taken off them.

Oh feck off with that nonsense. Kids are not made of porcelain. They're surprisingly sturdy if you give them the chance. I wouldn't let my son play that young personally but it doesn't constitute child abuse.

lukesmom wrote: »

Yeah I know for a fact my lad has seen porn in his friends house, big deal he's a lad and that's what lads do. I was shocked but that's what happens when mammy and daddy aren't supervising 24/7. That's life and you can't blanket your kids from everything, you can only hope they are truthful with you and know that anything is up for discussion if they want to talk.

Edited to say he has an iPod and wifi here and I check the internet history to see what he's been looking at. It's mostly gaming stuff on YouTube and Twitter. I don't allow him on Facebook or askfm.

As long as you can discuss what they've seen and talk about then I think your being responsible. Glad he's not on facebook though!. If he can already play this game at his friends house it's harder to justify him not playing it at yours.

Does he play with his dad?

hoodwinked

bennyl10 wrote: »

actually most are 16A now.. which means under 16;s can attend as accompanied by a guardian/parent.. which makes sense.. again.. I've seen 16's movies aged 14. 12's movies aged 10/11.. nothing bad as happened me and I'm fine..

the child is gonna see it a year later, he's gonna hear about the movie/game/whatever f4om his friends..

DesperateDan wrote: »

I'll go back to what I said, does a flip switch in a teenagers head when they reach 16, enabling them to absorb the content in a mature manner?

No.

obviously an element of common sense arises, i was too young at 11 to see 12 rated movies, but yet i did anyway, if my daughter at 10 wants to watch a 15A movie i will watch it first (or see why it was given that rating) and if its something tame of course i would allow her watch it,


what i won't do, or even say is ok, is showing a ten year old sexual content, and by that i mean porn and what is in GTAV. Call of duty i would have no problems with a 10 year old playing (i don't believe that ****e about video games creating serial killers) but sexual content and porn is a totally different ballgame to me, no child should be exposed to sexual content.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

scorpion ripped his opponents head off their shoulders and held it high with the spine dangling and bloody hanging underneath.

so long as the child understands the difference between fantasy violence and real life consequences, there's not that much of an issue

its not about their understanding the violence isn't real, you are still showing them sexual content that at 10 (not even a teenager) they are too young to be exposed to, the equivalent of what they will see in GTAV is porn and as a parent you can get into serious hot water if you are sexually exposing your child to sex at 10 years of age,

mikom

hoodwinked wrote: »

sexually exposing your child to sex

The worst kind of exposure.

bezerk

I caught my sun masturbating to a photo of Louis Walsh. Should I be worried? No more X factor for him.

Warrenlfc24

It would be highly irresponsible parenting if you let your 10 year old son play this game. Its 18 for a reason!!!

bezerk

Warrenlfc24 wrote: »

It would be highly irresponsible parenting if you let your 10 year old son play this game. Its 18 for a reason!!!

It would be worse If I sold him into the slave trade

Eli Nich

bezerk wrote: »

It would be worse If I sold him into the slave trade

There must be a GTA " For Under 10"

Cienciano

Lawson Yummy Undershorts wrote: »

So the attitude is they are going to see adult content somewhere so **** it lets just have open house on it? Seems a bit of an odd attitude. And as was said kids are tech savvy, its up to the parents to become more savvy than them if you want to protect them from some of the rougher stuff online. Parental controls on websites, monitor the phones internet history etc. As far as I know three do have filters in place for adult content on their mobile network. I just don't but the "ah shure they'll get it somewhere else anyway" excuse.

It's called lazy parenting.

bennyl10 wrote: »

I 've played all the GTA's since I was 10.. since vice city.. I'm not in Mountjoy locked up.. my mother is a great parent.. she watched me playa nd ensured that I didn't really take any of it in fully.. supervision and the game si fine.. maybe play it through once yourself though.. Don't take notice of these overly protective parent types.. they're the ones who don't bring children aged 14 to a 16's movie..

My granny smoked 40 cigarettes a day for 70 years, she lived till she was 90. That argument is idiotic.
Your same argument works for a 6 year old watching a hardcore porno. It probably won't do him any harm, but it's adult material for a reason.

drumswan

bennyl10 wrote: »

I 've played all the GTA's since I was 10.. since vice city.. I'm not in Mountjoy locked up.. my mother is a great parent.. she watched me playa nd ensured that I didn't really take any of it in fully

Did your mother watch porn with you when you were 10 too?

inc21

Let me answer that with another question.
Any brand of cigarettes that you would your 10yr old smoke?

I am sure Rockstars would like everybody to buy the game, more money for them. Don't think they put 18 on the box just to be interesting.

raze_them_all_

honestly its your call, i was playing mortal kombat at 5 or 6.

But be prepared for your child to say ****** a lot and **** like that

Kenjataimu

Playing GTA wont make a kid turn into a serial killer, I dont think anyone is suggesting that.

But at the end of the day a lot of kids at that age are very immature, they pretty much know everything but not really understand it.

Let kids be kids, once they hit their teens and go to secondary school they are probably a bit more mature to understand these games.

On a side note, I have a feeling a lot of parents want to be the cool mum or dad. Too many kids are let loose to do whatever they want.
Wasn't like that in my day *shakes fist .

In my opinion you bring up your kids to be the adult you want them to be. Some spend too much time being their friend instead of their parent.

peejay1986

Why not just let your child do some drugs at home? I'm not comparing GTAV to drugs but if this ridiculous reasoning is your mentality to life then its fine.

Most kids that age talk about drugs in school, mostly jokingly, like sex. Might as well let him smoke some weed around the house, because he could probably get access to it elsewhere.

Just because your child has potential access to something doesn't mean you have to preempt that by giving it to him yourself.

Not only is it irresponsible, its also creating a culture of spoilt children. Say no. Its an 18+ game, you can't play it. If they're playing up, explain why its 18+, in a way that doesn't glamourise the game.

This whole "they're my kids, I'll raise them as I wish" makes it even worse. They're not material goods. You've a right to raise children responsibly. Guidelines are there for a reason. Sure, you can bend them a bit but this is just ****ing stupid. Reply whatever way you wish, acting all high and mighty about how you're handling the situation, however I really feel bad for your child. At 10 years if age they rely so much on their parent's words.

lukesmom

Ill say it again my son plays gtav on his own and with his dad. I've no problem with it and no not trying to be 'cool mammy'. But I know my son and he knows what's real and what's fantasy. Anybody who takes issue with this it's their problem. You raise your kids how you see fit and I will do the same.

My name is URL

peejay1986 wrote: »

Why not just let your child do some drugs at home? I'm not comparing GTAV to drugs but if this ridiculous reasoning is your mentality to life then its fine.

Most kids that age talk about drugs in school, mostly jokingly, like sex. Might as well let him smoke some weed around the house, because he could probably get access to it elsewhere.

That's some hyperbolic bullshit.

Isn't that the sort of emotive argument that groups opposed to violent video games tend to use? I can just imagine George Hook coming out with that.

jill_valentine

I don't know how many more times this could need to be said - please stop comparing GTA V to games you played growing up for the sake of this argument, it just suggests you're unfamiliar with it. It's in a completely different league to previous entries in the series.

I'm a life long gamer and think the rating system is generally pretty hare brained, but this one is not in a grey area, this content is simply not appropriate for young children in this or any parallel universe. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient, it sucks to have to say no, but them's the breaks.

bezerk

jill_valentine wrote: »

I don't know how many more times this could need to be said - please stop comparing GTA V to games you played growing up for the sake of this argument, it just suggests you're unfamiliar with it. It's in a completely different league to previous entries in the series.

I'm a life long gamer and think the rating system is generally pretty hare brained, but this one is not in a grey area, this content is simply not appropriate for young children in this or any parallel universe. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient, it sucks to have to say no, but them's the breaks.

That's your opinion. Not a fact or anyhing

Kenjataimu

One thing I do find strange is letting kids having unrestricted, unsupervised access to the internet.
You can find some fcuked up stuff on the internet. Even on sites like reddit you can easily find some NSFL content which wouldnt be good for a kid to see.
Hell I dont wanna see it, once seen it cannot be unseen.

drumswan

lukesmom wrote: »

Ill say it again my son plays gtav on his own and with his dad ... Anybody who takes issue with this it's their problem. You raise your kids how you see fit and I will do the same.

Id say social services might have an issue with you being OK with exposing your 10 year old to anal sex and kerb stomping. Sicko.

jill_valentine

bezerk wrote: »

That's your opinion. Not a fact or anyhing

It is a fact.

I've played every one of these games bar GTA London through to the end. There is nothing in any of them as raw as the sexual content in this one, nor is there any violence as graphic, cruel or sustained as some of the scenes in this one. That's just objectively true.

AnonoBoy

bezerk wrote: »

That's your opinion. Not a fact or anyhing

To be fair, it's the opinion held by most right-thinking people.

If someone believes that GTA V is suitable for children then you'd worry about them.

It's clearly, clearly not.

bezerk

jill_valentine wrote: »

It is a fact.

I've played every one of these games bar GTA London through to the end. There is nothing in any of them as raw as the sexual content in this one, nor is there any violence as graphic, cruel or sustained as some of the scenes in this one. That's just objectively true.

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18?

AnonoBoy

bezerk wrote: »

It would be worse If I sold him into the slave trade

The answer of someone who is on the backfoot and thinks they're smart.

It must be annoying to realise that everyone thinks you've made a silly mistake by letting your kid play this game. Everyone except the other lazy bad parents that is! :pac:

Hobbes

There is almost nothing in it that a 10 year old child should be playing. Let him play SRIV instead.

When you get Trevor he will underline why a 10 year old should not play this game (especially when switching to him).

bezerk

AnonoBoy wrote: »

The answer of someone who is on the backfoot and thinks they're smart.

It must be annoying to realise that everyone thinks you've made a silly mistake by letting your kid play this game. Everyone except the other lazy bad parents that is! :pac:

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18 or just before he moves away for college, Hey I better protect my children until they go to college:pac::pac

Chidren, Teenagers who are constantly monitored,babied will not fair well in life at all. Thats the truth. Overprotective parents are the ones who destroy kids/teenagers and not let them live there life

AnonoBoy

bezerk wrote: »

? What age should I let him watch 18+ films??

Well I don't know. I would suggest it's higher than 12 though.

Sit down, watch Irreversible with him and then come back and tell us that he's "mature for his age".

Does he stomp his feet and hold his breath and wail until he gets his way? Sounds like you cave to every request.

A child that doesn't hear 'No' grows up to be a little spoilt brat. Good to see the next generation won't be short of them judging by the 'parenting' techniques on this thread!

zl1whqvjs75cdy

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18?

Its not a theory its a fact, even youtube the earlier GTAs to the V. YOu can clearly see the jump up in the violence and the sexuality as you progress through them. V is much more explicit than IV was by a country mile.

mikom

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories?

Chidren, Teenagers who are constantly monitored,babied will not fair well in life at all. Thats the truth. Overprotective parents are the ones who destroy kids/teenagers and not let them live there life

And repeat..........

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories?

peejay1986

My name is URL wrote: »

That's some hyperbolic bullshit.

Isn't that the sort of emotive argument that groups opposed to violent video games tend to use? I can just imagine George Hook coming out with that.

I don't agree with the above. I'm just using the mother's reasoning to highlight the ridiculous thinking behind it.

AnonoBoy

bezerk wrote: »

Chidren, Teenagers who are constantly monitored,babied will not fair well in life at all. Thats the truth. Overprotective parents are the ones who destroy kids/teenagers and not let them live there life

Ah the weak arguments return!

In your mind there's two choices - let him watch and do everything he wants or be an "overprotective parent".

There's no middle ground is there?

Such a cop out.

"Sure he's mature enough to know that heroin is just for recreational use. It'd be worse to baby him y'know?" :pac:

Kenjataimu

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18?

References or facts? Have you played the entire series of gta. I have. And gta V is totally different in terms of content and more importantly the realistic nature of the content.
The games previously were cartoonish and poor graphically in comparison.
This game has a real dark side to it, if you dont mind your kid seeing that then thats your decision. All I'll say is make sure you are properly aware of the content, look at videos on youtube etc.
If your fine with that, then fair enough.

SantryRed

Kenno90 wrote: »

My Little Bro wanted to buy it, after having GTA IV the parents thought it would be fine considering he's played the last few.

He's also played the PSP versions and loves them.

I had to tell the father about the very very 18+ scenes in it , i showed him a few pics online and he was having none of it.

Little bro is now getting FIFA 14 instead. though he's not to pleased with me (even though I've saved him a few nightmares)

You are the unsoundest brother ever!

Boom_Bap

A tale of an imature adult playing GTAV for the first time:

One of the first things I noticed appearing on tha map was the High Heel shoe. I immediately knew that it was going to be my first stop, so went there and got a lap dance, and ended up taking the stripper back to her place and banging her.

Shortly after that, I played a mission where I was

with a Paparazzi guy and was filming a famous actress

taking one up the Jacksie, and the dialogue and images where quite graphic.

I giggled alot, tittered, then gigled some more at the shenanigans i could get up to in the game.

Then I realiased that my son in a few years will be asking to play this game with me. I immediatley turned from immature adult into concerned parent and realised I will have to formualte some sort of long term plan to protect my son from playing this type of game when he gets to double digits in age. Heck, I might even have to stop playing myself as part of his protection.