any bits of gta5 i can let my 10yr old play?

Cianos

lukesmom wrote: »

No as a fellow parent I am not overly concerned that playing gtav is going to cause him any negative issues.

Overly concerned, or concerned at all?

So you believe your child is an exception and unlike most 11 year olds has the rational faculties to be totally unaffected by scenes of extreme violence and sex, but what if you're wrong?

Would it not be better to err on the side of caution and restrict him from such mature content until he's older?

And what about my other question - where would you draw the line with the nature of the entertainment you're providing him with? If the scenes as described in this thread aren't extreme enough, what is?

inc21

I am 31 and some scenes in this game make me turn my head away in shame

funt cucker

Frank Black wrote: »

MAybe we should all ease up on poor Luke's Mom - I mean her attitude to parenting is hardly unique. In fact it seems to be becoming the norm for parents to not want to tell their child 'no'.

Far easier to just give in to little Johnny or Luke's demands and the try to justify it using some half arsed reasoning about them being exposed to it anyway outside the home.

As a parent myself, the mind boggles at the though of playing this game with my kids - what would you actually talk about during the ass ****ing scenes?

My kids are nearly 6 and 10. And they play minecraft. They do not kill, and beat up prostitutes in GTA

lukesmom

lukesmom wrote: »

Ill say it again my son plays gtav on his own and with his dad. I've no problem with it and no not trying to be 'cool mammy'. But I know my son and he knows what's real and what's fantasy. Anybody who takes issue with this it's their problem. You raise your kids how you see fit and I will do the same.

Maybe it's just me but I find the idea of a grown man and his 11 year old son playing a game where anal sex and murder are shown in explicit detail in the same scene genuinelly creepy. Would your husband watch porn with his son or would that be inappropriate?

Out of curiosity, do they take it I'm turns to bang the Hookers before murdering them or does one do the deed before passing the controller over?

XsApollo

This game is definitely not for kids.
Will it harm them for life? Probably not .
But they are innocent at this age and probably shouldn't be playing or watching someone play it.

I got it the other day and my 4 year old daughter new I had something new because I was taking the ps3 out and hookin it up.
So I let her watch me play the start ( I was just gonna be exploring and driving around the city for a while)

So I robbed a car and she shouts hey ( why did I do that don't hit them )

After an hour of playing shes asking me was I going to pewp the man ( pewp is the sound a gun makes )

So she doesn't watch me play anymore.

drumswan

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it's just me but I find the idea of a grown man and his 11 year old son playing a game where anal sex and murder are shown in explicit detail in the same scene genuinelly creepy. Would your husband watch porn with his son or would that be inappropriate?

Out of curiosity, do they take it I'm turns to bang the Hookers before murdering them or does one do the deed before passing the controller over?

This. Its seriously creepy and I'd wonder if theres something more to it.

mikom

lukesmom............. question for you.
What is your sons opinion on the controllable characters drug use within the game, both shown and implied?

AnonoBoy

inc21 wrote: »

I am 31 and some scenes in this game make me turn my head away in shame

According to the logic being employed on this thread you probably had "overprotective" parents who ruined you.

Shame? What is that? Children should have innocence and shame beaten out of them by an assault of sexual and violent imagery before they become teenagers. Otherwise they're not equipped for the world! (Or some such bullsh*t!)

bezerk

mikom wrote: »

lukesmom............. question for you.
What is your sons opinion on the drug use within the game, both shown and implied?

I don't let my young lad touch heroin, only give him some Calpol from time to time. He likes the buzz off that:rolleyes:

lukesmom

drumswan wrote: »

Id say social services might have an issue with you being OK with exposing your 10 year old to anal sex and kerb stomping. Sicko.

He's 11 and I'm reporting you for calling me a sicko.

drumswan

lukesmom wrote: »

He's 11 and I'm reporting you for calling me a sicko.

Go for it. What else is someone who encourages a young child to watch hardcore adult content? Its perverse.

AnonoBoy

lukesmom wrote: »

He's 11 and I'm reporting you for calling me a sicko.

It's totally fine to expose an 11 year old to anal sex then?

mikom

bezerk wrote: »

I don't let my young lad touch heroin, only give him some Calpol from time to time. He likes the buzz off that:rolleyes:

Good for you.
*slow clap.

bezerk

lukesmom wrote: »

He's 11 and I'm reporting you for calling me a sicko.

Nothing wrong with it. Parents here probably will keep their children locked up and only let them go and see Barney in the cinema until they are 18, even if they were 16 probably still wouldn't let them play GTA 4.

AnonoBoy

bezerk wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it. Parents here probably will keep their children locked up and only let them go and see Barney in the cinema until they are 18, even if they were 16 probably still wouldn't let them play GTA 4.

Nothing wrong with exposing an eleven year old to anal sex?

I foresee a visit from social services in your future! :pac:

bezerk

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Nothing wrong with exposing an eleven year old to anal sex?

I foresee a visit from social services in your future! :pac:

No, sure priests have been doing it for years

Frank Black

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18 or just before he moves away for college, Hey I better protect my children until they go to college:pac::pac

Do you?

bezerk wrote: »

Chidren, Teenagers who are constantly monitored,babied will not fair well in life at all. Thats the truth. Overprotective parents are the ones who destroy kids/teenagers and not let them live there life

Because this just sounds like a theory you've invented to justify your lazy parenting.

lukesmom

mikom wrote: »

lukesmom............. question for you.
What is your sons opinion on the controllable characters drug use within the game, both shown and implied?

He knows it's just a game, not real life. My brother (his uncle) died at a very young age from an accidental drug overdose two years ago so my son never wants to do drugs as they killed his uncle/godfather.

ZiabR

No, is the simple answer. It is not suitable for him and to stop him from playing you can setup the parental feature on the Xbox 360 to stop him playing behind your back.

http://support.xbox.com/en-IE/billing-and-subscriptions/parental-controls/xbox-live-parental-control

mikom

lukesmom wrote: »

He knows it's just a game, not real life. My brother (his uncle) died at a very young age from an accidental drug overdose two years ago so my son never wants to do drugs as they killed his uncle/godfather.

So can I get this straight............ and not casting any judgements........

Yourself and your husband are both unemployed.
Your husband and your son (aged 11) sit in your council house playing GTA 5 (rated 18 and costing approx 55 Euro)
In the game your son (aged 11) can partake in drug use.
In real life his uncle died from a drug overdose.

Is anything I've stated here incorrect?

VinylJunkie

Trolls people, trolls.

funt cucker

VinylJunkie wrote: »

Trolls people, trolls.

Up the bum, no harm done I guess:(

Frank Black

lukesmom wrote: »

He's 11 and I'm reporting you for calling me a sicko.

To Social Services?

They're probably too busy to deal with name calling issues, given all the irresponsible parent stuff they have to deal with.

lukesmom

drumswan wrote: »

This. Its seriously creepy and I'd wonder if theres something more to it.

Just what the hell are you implying?

jill_valentine

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18 or just before he moves away for college, Hey I better protect my children until they go to college:pac::pac

We're not talking about all 18 films and games. We're talking about this particular 18 game.

There are arguments to be made about other films and games not deserving their certs. Plenty don't. Games tend to bear the brunt of moral crusaders the world over because they're new and scary to them. And there are arguments to be made to about 2 or 3 years of the 18 boundary.

But there is no argument to be made here. A 10 or 11 year old has no business playing this game, they do not have the tools to read these jokes and storyline in the political or anti-hero spirit they're intended.

The game features sadistic, graphic cruelty for comic effect, a constant stream of sexually degrading language and treatment of women, savage violence with no consequences or condemnation and a whole spectrum of spectacularly crass or grim sexual situations. That's fine when you're old enough to read it in context and in-world, but children that young are not equipped to do that, they're still developing their ideas of how think about all this stuff rather than bringing their own.

Nobody in their right mind thinks somebody who plays GTA is going to run out into the street and start shooting randoms as a result, but young children are still learning the attitudes they're expected to approach the rest of their lives with, and what they absorb from media is a huge factor in that.

Trevor Philips should not be part of that formative curve.

When they're a little further on and a little less permeable on that score, it's less of a concern - and how old exactly is probably debatable, sure - but there can't be a serious argument made that ten or eleven is old enough to get their heads around this stuff. That's not a slight on GTA. Hellraiser is a great movie, I wouldn't show it to a ten year old.

It falls to parents to draw some lines about what dangers or influences their kids are exposed to. I'm well aware that's not always an easy or fun role, but that's why the job goes to the adult rather than the child in the dynamic.

funt cucker

jill_valentine wrote: »

We're not talking about all 18 films and games. We're talking about this particular 18 game.


But there is no argument to be made here. A 10 or 11 year old has no business playing this game, they do not have the tools to read these jokes and storyline in the political or anti-hero spirit they're intended.

The game features sadistic, graphic cruelty for comic effect, a constant stream of sexually degrading language and treatment of women, savage violence with no consequences or condemnation and a whole spectrum of spectacularly crass or grim sexual situations.

It normalises it for young people, ah sure he only raped her with a crow bar.

Al_Coholic

lukesmom wrote: »

He's 11 and I'm reporting you for calling me a sicko.

wait you are reporting someone who calls you a sicko? that upsets you but letting your 10yr old son play GTA5 doesnt? ...priorities all right there.

seriously some of the things in the game have shocked me so imagine how a 10yr old will think,his brain hasnt fully developed and his mind is being exposed to all kinds of sh1t in this game.

BenEadir

jill_valentine wrote: »

I'm a life long gamer and think the rating system is generally pretty hare brained, but this one is not in a grey area, this content is simply not appropriate for young children in this or any parallel universe. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient, it sucks to have to say no, but them's the breaks.

Hi Jill,

You sound like a level headed person with the gaming experience to make a judgement on this. My 12 year old son just started secondary school and loves playing xBox games with his school pals online including Call of Duty, Far Cry 3 etc on the weekends. I made a judgement that these were the limit of what he was allowed to play i.e. shooting and stabbing with some bad language and semi naked women etc but I drew the line at the previous GTA. He got a copy of it from a pal of his and when I saw the content I banned it. I explained why and he both respects that judgement and adheres to it.

Now that GTA5 is out and he's a year older (he'll be 13 in 4 months) I still think GTA is too "Adult" for him, at least until he's 14 but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Cheers,

Ben

funt cucker

BenThere wrote: »

Hi Jill,

You sound like a level headed person with the gaming experience to make a judgement on this. My 12 year old son just started secondary school and loves playing xBox games with his school pals online including Call of Duty, Far Cry 3 etc on the weekends. I made a judgement that these were the limit of what he was allowed to play i.e. shooting and stabbing with some bad language and semi naked women etc but I drew the line at the previous GTA. He got a copy of it from a pal of his and when I saw the content I banned it. I explained why and he both respects that judgement and adheres to it.

Now that GTA5 is out and he's a year older (he'll be 13 in 4 months) I still think GTA is too "Adult" for him, at least until he's 14 but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Cheers,

Ben

You should play it yourself, or check out the graphic content on youtube of GTA 5, then the decision is yours.

ShadowHearth

I think this thread finally explained me, why I ( 27 year adult ) am not comfortable walking pass a s small gang of 12-16 year old kid gang. Those little shiets are unpredictable and can Stab you or kill you just to look cool in front of their friends.
At least I know where is this parenting coming from. Parents are just **** and being parents, specially when they thing that content of GTA 5 is OKAY for 10 yers old boy!

I am 100% agree with Marcus Beer, YOU SHOULD NEED A LICENSE TO HAVE A CHILD!

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/at1oul/annoyed-gamer-gta-v-is-not-the-enemy

lukesmom

Al_Coholic wrote: »

wait you are reporting someone who calls you a sicko? that upsets you but letting your 10yr old son play GTA5 doesnt? ...priorities all right there.

seriously some of the things in the game have shocked me so imagine how a 10yr old will think,his brain hasnt fully developed and his mind is being exposed to all kinds of sh1t in this game.

I don't have a ten year old!

mikom

lukesmom wrote: »

I don't have a ten year old!

So you'd prevent a ten year old from playing GTA 5?

lukesmom

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Nothing wrong with exposing an eleven year old to anal sex?

I foresee a visit from social services in your future! :pac:

Yeah because social services always investigate parents for letting their kids play xbox games!

jill_valentine

BenThere wrote: »

Hi Jill,

You sound like a level headed person with the gaming experience to make a judgement on this. My 12 year old son just started secondary school and loves playing xBox games with his school pals online including Call of Duty, Far Cry 3 etc on the weekends. I made a judgement that these were the limit of what he was allowed to play i.e. shooting and stabbing with some bad language and semi naked women etc but I drew the line at the previous GTA. He got a copy of it from a pal of his and when I saw the content I banned it. I explained why and he both respects that judgement and adheres to it.

Now that GTA5 is out and he's a year older (he'll be 13 in 4 months) I still think GTA is too "Adult" for him, at least until he's 14 but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Cheers,

Ben

Honestly, I'd agree with you mostly. Personally, I'd try to hang on until about 15 until the very, very earliest, with a certain amount of input for context, but that's about the point when it starts getting blurry. GTA IV I'd even be a little less sheepish about at that age, Red Dead Redemption would be fine. I mean, taking Far Cry for example, the storyline does have some sexualised threats and stuff, but it's treated in a very different light to GTA and that's what makes all the difference, IMHO.

I know it's not easy to draw the line or decide exactly where to do it, and I know their mates are likely to be talking it up, which makes it even tougher, but honestly, I have to agree with other people in this thread - I'm a pretty hardy type when it comes to horror or violence, and there were plenty of moments in this when I had to wince because what the game was requiring me to do to go further was pretty unsettling.

drumswan

lukesmom wrote: »

Yeah because social services always investigate parents for letting their kids play xbox games!

What else are you letting him do while you are not encouraging him to watch rape, butt****ing and extreme graphic violence?

inc21

lukesmom wrote: »

I don't have a ten year old!

I'd say everybody is going 10 because op asked is it suitable for 10yr old.

But it is not suitable for 11yr old also.

Kenjataimu

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I think this thread finally explained me, why I ( 27 year adult ) am not comfortable walking pass a s small gang of 12-16 year old kid gang. Those little shiets are unpredictable and can Stab you or kill you just to look cool in front of their friends.
At least I know where is this parenting coming from. Parents are just **** and being parents, specially when they thing that content of GTA 5 is OKAY for 10 yers old boy!

I am 100% agree with Marcus Beer, YOU SHOULD NEED A LICENSE TO HAVE A CHILD!

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/at1oul/annoyed-gamer-gta-v-is-not-the-enemy

I think the young teen scumbag problem is down to how the kids are raised in general. You could argue they are better off in the house playing GTA than messing around in the streets until all hours intimidating people.

funt cucker

Proco Jr. wrote: »

I think the young teen scumbag problem is down to how the kids are raised in general. You could argue they are better off in the house playing GTA than messing around in the streets until all hours intimidating people.

No better game to learn it from.

krudler

BenThere wrote: »

Hi Jill,

You sound like a level headed person with the gaming experience to make a judgement on this. My 12 year old son just started secondary school and loves playing xBox games with his school pals online including Call of Duty, Far Cry 3 etc on the weekends. I made a judgement that these were the limit of what he was allowed to play i.e. shooting and stabbing with some bad language and semi naked women etc but I drew the line at the previous GTA. He got a copy of it from a pal of his and when I saw the content I banned it. I explained why and he both respects that judgement and adheres to it.

Now that GTA5 is out and he's a year older (he'll be 13 in 4 months) I still think GTA is too "Adult" for him, at least until he's 14 but I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Cheers,

Ben

A parent with sense, nice to see.

AnonoBoy

lukesmom wrote: »

Yeah because social services always investigate parents for letting their kids play xbox games!

Well I see that in addition to being a lazy parent you also don't have a sense of humour or the ability to see when someone is joking.

I can't wait to see what fine specimens you'll raise! :pac:

BenEadir

jill_valentine wrote: »

Honestly, I'd agree with you mostly. Personally, I'd try to hang on until about 15 until the very, very earliest, with a certain amount of input for context, but that's about the point when it starts getting blurry. GTA IV I'd even be a little less sheepish about at that age, Red Dead Redemption would be fine. I mean, taking Far Cry for example, the storyline does have some sexualised threats and stuff, but it's treated in a very different light to GTA and that's what makes all the difference, IMHO.

I know it's not easy to draw the line or decide exactly where to do it, and I know their mates are likely to be talking it up, which makes it even tougher, but honestly, I have to agree with other people in this thread - I'm a pretty hardy type when it comes to horror or violence, and there were plenty of moments in this when I had to wince because what the game was requiring me to do to go further was pretty unsettling.

Thanks Jill, appreciate the candid response. I'll take your advice.

Ben

jontr

FearDark wrote: »

Been playing GTA since I as a child myself and never did me any harm.

Posted from Mountjoy.

it did damage your language skills. a lot.

lukesmom

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Well I see that in addition to being a lazy parent you also don't have a sense of humour or the ability to see when someone is joking.

I can't wait to see what fine specimens you'll raise! :pac:

Well if they're as fine as I am then happy days

AnonoBoy

lukesmom wrote: »

Well if they're as fine as I am then happy days

What? Lazy and bad at parenting? :pac:

We can only hope.

wyrn

Wow, this is an interesting thread. First off, I feel old compared to a lot of you. My point being that I started playing GTA2 and and I've played all the subsequent games. I've enjoyed them but I feel as if I became a little desensitised to the adult aspects to the game. Although I was a little shocked at how graphic GTAV is. I can only imagine what a shock it is to a naive child of 10/11 with no real world experience.

There is a huge issue starting to boil up with young kids, especially boys and their attitude to women. Sadly GTAV doesn't help this. Kids are so impressionable at that age, that to see such graphic content who knows what effect it'll have on them or in their attitudes in later life. I'm sure most will turn out fine, but at the end of the day, it's been classified as 18s. I really REALLY hope that parents who allow their children to play this game - sit down with them and discuss the topics. Explain to them that this game is extreme and it is not normal. I'm sorry if I sound old fashioned and fussy but at the end of the day, parents should be talking to their children (not just about GTA). The conversation between a kid talking about Fifa (oh my team bet Chelsea 2-1 and I bought x player) compared to GTAV (oh I just killed someone with a hammer, picked up a hooker etc...)

Lukesmom - for us, would you sit down and play a few of the missions and come back and tell us if you still think it's suitable for your child. I don't think you grasp just how graphic it is and to what you are exposing your child to. I know you said your husband said it was fine, but he could be like me and a little desensitised to all the violence.

Cienciano

lukesmom wrote: »

Yeah because social services always investigate parents for letting their kids play xbox games!

I think this comment sums it up. It's not scenes of rape/anal sex with a drug addict/killing prostitutes/torture/murder/stamping on peoples faces till they're dead/drug use/sex. It's "xbox games".
It's parents like you who give video games a bad rep. Parents that don't seem to have a clue about games, but let their kids play whatever they want because it's just "an xbox game".

krudler

wyrn wrote: »

Lukesmom - for us, would you sit down and play a few of the missions and come back and tell us if you still think it's suitable for your child. I don't think you grasp just how graphic it is and to what you are exposing your child to. I know you said your husband said it was fine, but he could be like me and a little desensitised to all the violence.

That really, I can't fathom letting a kid experience something you have no knowledge of yourself.

funt cucker

wyrn wrote: »

Wow, this is an interesting thread. First off, I feel old compared to a lot of you. My point being that I started playing GTA2 and and I've played all the subsequent games. I've enjoyed them but I feel as if I became a little desensitised to the adult aspects to the game. Although I was a little shocked at how graphic GTAV is. I can only imagine what a shock it is to a naive child of 10/11 with no real world experience.

There is a huge issue starting to boil up with young kids, especially boys and their attitude to women. Sadly GTAV doesn't help this. Kids are so impressionable at that age, that to see such graphic content who knows what effect it'll have on them or in their attitudes in later life. I'm sure most will turn out fine, but at the end of the day, it's been classified as 18s. I really REALLY hope that parents who allow their children to play this game - sit down with them and discuss the topics. Explain to them that this game is extreme and it is not normal. I'm sorry if I sound old fashioned and fussy but at the end of the day, parents should be talking to their children (not just about GTA). The conversation between a kid talking about Fifa (oh my team bet Chelsea 2-1 and I bought x player) compared to GTAV (oh I just killed someone with a hammer, picked up a hooker etc...)

Lukesmom - for us, would you sit down and play a few of the missions and come back and tell us if you still think it's suitable for your child. I don't think you grasp just how graphic it is and to what you are exposing your child to. I know you said your husband said it was fine, but he could be like me and a little desensitised to all the violence.

The best advice yet.

Lingua Franca

bezerk wrote: »

Do you have references or facts that back up your own theories? I have no problem with my 12 year old playing and is very mature for his age and in first year of secondary school. Is their something wrong with this? He also watches 15 and 18 rated films? What age should I let him watch 18+ films?? When he is 18?

bezerk wrote: »

as I said 99% of 12 year old lads have viewed porn.

bezerk wrote: »

I know what goes on with 12 year olds, all watch porn and mad stuff on the internet. A game is not going to make a difference. Every 12 year old lad has seen porn.

Do YOU have references or facts that back up your own "statistics"? I've been wondering where you pulled these figures from, and now I'm even more curious given that you're asking someone to back up their theory that an 18+ game is too adult themed for children. There's a terrible stench of hypocrisy in here, with an underlying whiff of bullsh*t.

Shane-KornSpace

I would say that I've been playing the games since I was a child but to be fair, GTA V is far more mature than GTA 1 and GTA 2.
This GTA is definitely not suitable for kids in my opinion.