any bits of gta5 i can let my 10yr old play?

pah

lukesmom wrote: »

Lots of posts defending my right to parent as I please .... Etc

I am genuinely interested to know if you have looked at this game properly, have you viewed the youtube videos of gameplay posted earlier in the thread and are you ok with your son watching the scenes specifically mentioned here in relation to sex/drugs and torture?


You have not responded to any of these posts, you're just ignoring them really.

lukesmom

pah wrote: »

I am genuinely interested to know if you have looked at this game properly, have you viewed the youtube videos of gameplay posted earlier in the thread and are you ok with your son watching the scenes specifically mentioned here in relation to sex/drugs and torture?


You have not responded to any of these posts, you're just ignoring them really.

No I've not looked at the game properly, I left that up to my husbamd. Maybe I will take a look myself.

Morag

No just no not at 10, maybe at 15/16 depending on how mature he is then.
Also create your own profile on the xbox and learn how to put the parental controls on so he can't try and play it when you are not there.

lukesmom

Rang my husband at work there he said they have only being playing campaigns not side missions whatever that is.

ShadowHearth

Okay, lets say I am 10 year old boy. You ( my parent ) sitting next to me watching me over and explaining me stuff. This scene comes up. how you explain me this, go:
Starts at around 1.20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbY_LiIzLIM

mikom

lukesmom wrote: »

Rang my husband at work there he said they have only being playing campaigns not side missions whatever that is.

An excuse.

death1234567

When I was 10 I wanted to watch super violent 18 rated movies but I wasn't allowed. It was because I was a child and they weren't suitable.

GTA IV is an 18 rated game.

Children want lots of things, one of the most important parts of being a parent is saying 'No'.

bohsman

lukesmom wrote: »

No I've not looked at the game properly, I left that up to my husbamd. Maybe I will take a look myself.

Please do, I know you've been backed into a corner having to defend yourself but remember that this is the GTA forum where hardcore fans of the game are saying it's too much and not AH. Someone posted a few videos to watch early in the thread, have a look at them.

krudler

lukesmom wrote: »

Rang my husband at work there he said they have only being playing campaigns not side missions whatever that is.

but sure the campaign is where all the stuff people have been talking about is unless he's just driving around not actually doing anything

SherlockWatson

I played Vice city at 10-11 as I'm sure did many other kids.

AnonoBoy

lukesmom wrote: »

Rang my husband at work there he said they have only being playing campaigns not side missions whatever that is.

Campaigns are actually worse than the side missions from what I've seen so far.

ectoraige

lukesmom wrote: »

But it's not my daughter so your question is irrelevant. I never said I was happy with him watching porn, I said he saw it at a friends house, he doesn't watch it at home.

Yes he does, he watches it with his Dad while they are playing GTA V.

AnonoBoy

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I played Vice city at 10-11 as I'm sure did many other kids.

And as has been pointed out many times in this thread, the violence, language and sex have been ramped up hugely in the games since then.

gimli2112

Poor husband is at work oblivious to the ****storm he's about to walk into in the next few hours!

lukesmom

I trust his dad's judgment in this regard.

lukesmom

gimli2112 wrote: »

Poor husband is at work oblivious to the ****storm he's about to walk into in the next few hours!

Not at all.

SherlockWatson

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And as has been pointed out many times in this thread, the violence, language and sex have been ramped up hugely in the games since then.

I'm pretty sure in that game you could get a double edged dildo in the showers in a police station and beat people!

krudler

lukesmom wrote: »

I trust his dad's judgment in this regard.

But why not have a look yourself? you're genuinely ok with having an 11 year watch people have anal sex in a game?

mikom

gimli2112 wrote: »

Poor husband is at work oblivious to the ****storm he's about to walk into in the next few hours!

5 star wanted level.

ShadowHearth

lukesmom wrote: »

Rang my husband at work there he said they have only being playing campaigns not side missions whatever that is.

Main story is the place where it get the most rough. If what, all your child should do is just drive around the town and not touch anything that is story related.
Have a look at the video I posted, then thing again if that is something your child should see. there is some spoilers in it, but if you are responsible parent, you should only let your child see, what you have already seen for yourself!

funt cucker

GTA 1&2 were mild compared to 4 and 5. The next logical step for 6 is to show the penetration as it's happening. Then it will be full blown porn.

Frank Black

Look, maybe we're being a bit hasty, there are probably some good life lessons for a 10/11 year old in GTA5.
Like, for example, if you're in a strip club, you should wait until the bouncer isn't looking before trying to fondle the dancer.

AnonoBoy

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I'm pretty sure in that game you could get a double edged dildo in the showers in a police station and beat people!

But you weren't able to use it for its intended purpose!

funt cucker

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But you weren't able to use it for its intended purpose!

They could make a chainsaw dildo so you could chop people up with it after it was used for it's intended purpose:pac:

wyrn

Just read this on Kotaku - an open letter to parents from a games retailer.
Thought it seemed appropriate.

Zero-Cool

A games retailer with 10 years experience wrote an open letter to parents about buying GTA V for their kids and how the M rating gor GTA V is very different than the M rating for Skyrim.

http://kotaku.com/i-sold-too-many-copies-of-gta-v-to-parents-who-didnt-g-1371011511?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

Jaxxy

I usually applaud the kind of progressive parenting that lukesmom is displaying here. I agree that children are going to be exposed to these things outside of the household, so why not sit them down, in a controlled, safe environment, with one or both parents present to supervise so they can explain exactly what is going on, the context and further reinforce the differences between fantasy and reality.

But I have to admit that even I think eleven is just far, far too young for GTAV. I'm a 29 year old woman, and I was disturbed by some of the elements of this game. Don't get me wrong, it's also a lot of fun, but it is ADULT fun.

Lukesmom I'd echo what others in this thread have said. Check out some of those videos already posted, even have a play of the game yourself. If it is the case that you think the torture or graphic sex scenarios are beyond suitability for your son then it is okay to have a different opinion to your husband about what is suitable for your child. In this case I would seriously advise familiarising yourself with the content before you deem it appropriate for an eleven year old.

Mc Love

As for the youtube clip above - aside from the fact that the language is of adult nature, there's an anal sex scene and then a man gets his head caved in from the boot of a psycho - you cant put 2+2 together that this level of violence, sex and bad language is suitable for someone under 18 is beyond me!

Kids in this country have grown up with "yes" parents, afraid to tell their precious little darlings that they cant have something for fear of them embarassing themselves in public with a screaming child - cant believe how much I sounded like Trevor

TheDoc

Probably a bit to young, but to be honest the fact your asking others indicates you probably already know the answer to this.

Weird taboo subject really. I was shown alot of 18's films and played 18's games relatively young, but my father had an active interest and was my own censoring agency. Was happy to let me watch some 18's sci-fi films or glorified action films, but the more intense stuff like gangster films he didn't show me until I was older.

I think it's cool that you are attempting to get involved at an early age. My father is close on 60 and plays PC games on a daily basis, and a big part of my childhood was playing games with my Da. Along with him getting me into Golf and Soccer, he is the main reason I really got into gaming. He was as much into it and bought stuff as much for himself as me.
Only you know how to parent your child, probably a bit young for him to play GTA5, but maybe kudos for being pro-active. Keep an interest there, maybe grab something like Fifa or the likes where even you can play.

pah

Mc Love wrote: »

Kids in this country have grown up with "yes" parents, afraid to tell their precious little darlings that they cant have something for fear of them embarassing themselves in public with a screaming child

I wonder how old lukesmom's son was when he got his mobile phone?

lukesmom

We will just have to agree to disagree. Have to laugh though half of you probably have no idea what your kids get up to. At least we openly discuss things with our son and trust that he knows right from wrong, fantasy from reality.

bezerk

Mc Love wrote: »

As for the youtube clip above - aside from the fact that the language is of adult nature, there's an anal sex scene and then a man gets his head caved in from the boot of a psycho - you cant put 2+2 together that this level of violence, sex and bad language is suitable for someone under 18 is beyond me!

Kids in this country have grown up with "yes" parents, afraid to tell their precious little darlings that they cant have something for fear of them embarassing themselves in public with a screaming child - cant believe how much I sounded like Trevor

No its not that, kids see things 100 times worse than that on porn DVDs they get off their friends or videos they get sent/seen on friends phones. What age do you define someone not been a kid anymore? Mine is when they start secondary school. Once they start secondary school they can watch anything they want. Doesn't bother me. They are starting to grow up and no point babying em. Let them live their life and make their own mistakes within boundaries. I will let my son out drinking when he is 16 and hit the town but will highly educate him on alcohol before hand.

inc21

lukesmom wrote: »

No I've not looked at the game properly, I left that up to my husbamd. Maybe I will take a look myself.

Very good! You should take a look. Some of us males are not that biased when it comes to something we'd like to do ourselves. If it means that he can spend more time behind xbox, so be it.

hoodwinked

bezerk wrote: »

No its not that, kids see things 100 times worse than that on porn DVDs they get off their friends or videos they get sent/seen on friends phones. What age do you define someone not been a kid anymore? Mine is when they start secondary school. Once they start secondary school they can watch anything they want. Doesn't bother me.

would it bother you if your son was prosecuted for rape when he practices these things he sees on a under 17 year old girl?


because even if its consensual the males are prosecuted for rape for underage sex,

when the law does consider him 'not a kid' then i consider him not a kid , until then i will treat teenagers like teenagers.

drumswan

lukesmom wrote: »

We will just have to agree to disagree. Have to laugh though half of you probably have no idea what your kids get up to

Im pretty sure most people are certain they arent watching ass ****ing with their daddies

lukesmom

drumswan wrote: »

Im pretty sure most people are certain they arent watching ass ****ing with their daddies

Your very presumptuous that he watched that part aren't you?

Lingua Franca

lukesmom wrote: »

Your very presumptuous that he watched that part aren't you?

That's probably because it's an unskippable part of the campaign.

inc21

lukesmom wrote: »

Your very presumptuous that he watched that part aren't you?

That part is quite early in main missions....

pah

lukesmom wrote: »

Your very presumptuous that he watched that part aren't you?

It is part of the game. The presumption is sound.

TheDoc

Mc Love wrote: »

Kids in this country have grown up with "yes" parents, afraid to tell their precious little darlings that they cant have something for fear of them embarassing themselves in public with a screaming child - cant believe how much I sounded like Trevor

That is a bit sweeping to be fair.

While there is always the cases of spoilt children, there is also the case for parents to deal with their children as they see fit. And in alot of cases parents feel more comfortable revealing different aspects of entertainment to children.

My cousin for example was allowed to watch horror films at a relatively young age, where I still wasn't.
I had seen most of the old war and westerns, when alot of other kids my age hadn't.
Alot of kids were allowed watch things like Scarface before me.
I saw the likes of Aliens and Predator alongtime before my friends were allowed.

But I think secondary school is when most kids start to watch all that stuff for the first time. It's on telly the night before and someone comes in talking about it, inevitably that is when a child comes home and asks their parents. Same with video games, or even music. Like my parents knew I was into some odd music in heavy metal, and before that rap. I remember having some rap albums in first year, where I would have been 13 years old.
On the face of it you would think thats highly irresponsible for my parents to let a 13 year old listen to what was essentially gangster rap, and then when I moved into heavy metal, so extreme lyrics. But my parents understood that I wasn't in an environment taht would really empower me to act out on those songs lyrics, and that I just appreciated the music, not exactly the lyrics. The same with movies and games.

I strongly believe that my parents having an active interest in the entertainment I watched, listened to and played, from an early age, gave me a pretty decent exposure to a variety of things, but never to the point where I would become confused on what was acceptable in the real world.

And if anything, it gave them more information and knowledge when it came to making the decisions on what was suitable, and what I was able to see. My father is always up onthe latest games and reviews, for himself now, but it was incase I wanted it back in the day. I remember I wanted to get Manhunt, and it was a pretty clear no. I had appreciation growing up that I was getting some leeway when it came to certain things with gaming and movie, so if I got the odd no, I wouldn't freak out about it.
I strictly remember Grand Theft Auto, because it was my Dad who pointed it out to me. We typically went to Game in Blanch every now and again to get a new game, and as I was looking at something he put the big old style massive PC box of it infront of me with a " that looks interesting". The guy at the till explained that what was in it, my Da was happy, and I have some good memories of us playing GTA. That pretty much led to me being able to get all the GTA's after without any hassle, although only the originals came out while I was a young fella.

If anything I became immune and cold towards shock or awe, in relation to gore or violence. It's important to underline the difference, I didn't embrace gore and violence, I just didn't get overly shocked by it. I havn't turned into some sicko who has difficulty differentiating reality and fantasy, I just don't freak my lid when I see a bit of blood.

bezerk

hoodwinked wrote: »

would it bother you if your son was prosecuted for rape when he practices these things he sees on a under 17 year old girl?


because even if its consensual the males are prosecuted for rape for underage sex,

.

:rolleyes::rolleyes: How cute.

lukesmom

Change the record I will parent my child whatever way I choose.

Cienciano

Lukesmom, have you watched the video above? Do you think that content is ok for an 11 year old?

mikom

lukesmom wrote: »

Your very presumptuous that he watched that part aren't you?

Closed his eyes during the early part of the campaign, did he?

There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

lukesmom wrote: »

Change the record I will parent my child whatever way I choose.

Parental advisory: Explicit lyrics.

Jaxxy

lukesmom wrote: »

We will just have to agree to disagree. Have to laugh though half of you probably have no idea what your kids get up to. At least we openly discuss things with our son and trust that he knows right from wrong, fantasy from reality.

I think it's a great approach personally, and the united, solid parental front is a great environment for children too. And it is totally up to you and your husband what you expose your son to.

But personally, for me, the thoughts of a child playing GTAV makes me all kinds of uncomfortable. In the face of such overwhelming evidence to the serious adult nature of this game I can't believe that you'd refuse to even check out the content for yourself.

It seems that anyone championing the logic of letting kids play whatever they want to play because they won't always be kids and that they'll be exposed to worse via porn, etc, are the same people who haven't even played the game.

krudler

lukesmom wrote: »

Your very presumptuous that he watched that part aren't you?

You don't get to not watch it, its part of the main game

wyrn

TheDoc wrote: »

If anything I became immune and cold towards shock or awe, in relation to gore or violence. It's important to underline the difference, I didn't embrace gore and violence, I just didn't get overly shocked by it. I havn't turned into some sicko who has difficulty differentiating reality and fantasy, I just don't freak my lid when I see a bit of blood.

This is what I was saying, however GTAV is a far cry from the original GTAs.
It's far more graphic and hardcore.

I've no problem with parents using their judgement, but letting a 10/11 year old play GTAV is just wrong. Especially when that parent has never played it. It'd be a different story if they had.

ShadowHearth

lukesmom wrote: »

We will just have to agree to disagree. Have to laugh though half of you probably have no idea what your kids get up to. At least we openly discuss things with our son and trust that he knows right from wrong, fantasy from reality.

So right, you did not answer me how you would Explain that scene to your child. So from what you saying in this post you are 100% okay with your child Seeing it too.

That's pretty much sums it up on why people look down on gaming as a serious form of entertainment.

ShadowHearth

lukesmom wrote: »

Change the record I will parent my child whatever way I choose.

Don't come in here for an advice so...

zarquon

lukesmom wrote: »

Change the record I will parent my child whatever way I choose.

By all means, choose to allow your husband and son to co-operate together in animated virtual pornagraphic and sadistic scenarios but in doing so know that you are in the tiny minority that think this is socially acceptable and do not be surprised that you are the brunt of such outrage at your lazy choices.

You choose to give in to the whims of your son rather than saying no to him and creating proper boundaries. You won't win any plaudits for lazy parenting.