What's with all the Anti-Arthur Day campaign ?

cometogether

Didn't really sense much aggro in town at all last night! From what I remember :P

hansfrei

cometogether wrote: »

Didn't really sense much aggro in town at all last night! From what I remember :P

Your arse will remember it.

Eutow

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

Saw very little hassle, someone got sick on the street at about 5:30 when I was walking to the pub from work

What a lightweight.

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

Was good craic as expected yesterday, good atmosphere in the pub and plenty of Guinness was had (its my normal drink anyway before anyone talks about marketing).

Yeah, but you still went out on a day you probably wouldn't go out on when it's just a regular Thursday to drink their product. So, you still asked how high when they told you to jump.

oranbhoy67

If yesterday was Arthurs day then is today "black jobby day"?

thebaz

thebaz wrote: »

sorry, but why is someone puking on the streets funny , that in a knutshell is what i find wrong with Arthus day and our unhealthy relationship with booze

Well I find it entertaining anyway, having a laugh a lad that couldn't hold his drink and relaying the story to others, its certainly not something that I'm going to get bothered about anyway.

Eutow wrote: »

Yeah, but you still went out on a day you probably wouldn't go out on when it's just a regular Thursday to drink their product. So, you still asked how high when they told you to jump.

We go out on a lot of Thursday nights anyway so its quite possible I would have been out regardless, even this week I was in for a quick drink after work Monday and Wednesday. Arthurs day means there is a bit more of an atmosphere around the first pint was free so I don't really care if its a marketing campaign as it's a good night out.

I don't see why people get so bothered and would go out of their way to not to go out just to make a point, its a bit silly really.

Eutow

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

We go out on a lot of Thursday nights anyway so its quite possible I would have been out regardless

But you probably drank more than you would have, so the marketing worked.

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

I don't see why people get so bothered and would go out of their way to not to go out just to make a point, its a bit silly really.

Some people don't like being dictated to by a drinks corporation and a lot of people feel that Diageo essentially said to Irish people, drink on this day, your a spoilsport if you don't. If Diageo decided to have another day to celebrate the birth of Arthur, what do you think would happen?

Caliden

Eutow wrote: »

Some people don't like being dictated to by a drinks corporation and a lot of people feel that Diageo essentially said to Irish people, drink on this day, your a spoilsport if you don't. If Diageo decided to have another day to celebrate the birth of Arthur, what do you think would happen?

So non conformist. So brave.

Eutow

Eutow wrote: »

Some people don't like being dictated to by a drinks corporation and a lot of people feel that Diageo essentially said to Irish people, drink on this day, your a spoilsport if you don't. If Diageo decided to have another day to celebrate the birth of Arthur, what do you think would happen?

It wouldn't bother me if they had another day, means another excuse to go out and that's fine by me.

Also they are hardly dictating to anyone. If you don't want to go out don't but I can't see any sense in not going out because you want to occupy some faux moral high ground.

suicide_circus

The jacks in work are in fookin rag order

Eutow

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

It wouldn't bother me if they had another day, means another excuse to go out and that's fine by me.

So they say jump and you go how high.

Eutow

Caliden wrote: »

So non conformist. So brave.

Yes

Caliden

Eutow wrote: »

So they say jump and you go how high.

..and you say "I jumped before it was cool"

Eutow

Eutow wrote: »

So they say jump and you go how high.

So what? Going out and having a good time is of more concern to me than trying to stand up to "the man".

You could also use that argument for nearly any product or service that is advertised.

Eutow

Caliden wrote: »

..and you say "I jumped before it was cool"

I think for myself. Nothing wrong with it.

thebaz

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

Well I find it entertaining anyway, having a laugh a lad that couldn't hold his drink and relaying the story to others,

you have a strange sense of humour , laughing at people puking on the street -

Brendan Flowers

Eutow wrote: »

But you probably drank more than you would have, so the marketing worked.

Shock, horror....marketing works :rolleyes:

I suppose you dont use any products that are in any way advertised/part of a marketing campaign?

Eutow

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Shock, horror....marketing works :rolleyes:

I suppose you dont use any products that are in any way advertised/part of a marketing campaign?

I live an amish existence.

Brendan Flowers

Eutow wrote: »

I live an amish existence.

I think it that from this response that you dont want to admit that you too use products that part of marketing campaigns/advertisements? If so then doesn't that make you a bit of a hypocrite for judging people who enjoyed a night out last night.

Eutow

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

I think it that from this response that you dont want to admit that you too use products that part of marketing campaigns/advertisements? If so then doesn't that make you a bit of a hypocrite for judging people who enjoyed a night out last night.

Of course marketing plays a part, the need/value for a certain product plays a part, nobody can avoid it unless you live in a jungle somewhere. One of the reasons I brought up the marketing angle was a quote by Nox001 -

Was good craic as expected yesterday, good atmosphere in the pub and plenty of Guinness was had (its my normal drink anyway before anyone talks about marketing).

He implies it wasn't to do with marketing, and I countered by saying he went out anyway, when he probably normally wouldn't.

Nox001 replies by saying he normally goes out for a few on a Thursday anyway. I reply by stating he drank more because of the celebration day, hence marketing.

I have no problem with people going out, It's a drinks company influencing people to drink more on a certain day under some faux Irish celebration that is a problem.

The celebration was fine for the 250 year anniversary, it's a bit stupid to have it as a yearly thing.

meemeemee

What he said.

Systemic Risk

zenno wrote: »

I just don't get all this Arthur's day plonk. When i first read the threads and comments regarding this plonk, i inserted my brain into wiki to study what it's all about, but i still can't see the reason to celebrate it, because it's illogical.

I'll celebrate someone's birthday, but not this huge fake advertising plonk to up the profits of publicans trying to get people to go to their pubs like a bunch of sheep thinking it's something important.

It's a bunch of manure when you think of it. Put that in your pint and drink it.

Ok let me put it simply.

Many people like to go out and have fun.

Many of these people like to go out and have fun when they know there will be a lot of other people out having fun that they can interact with.

Many of these people like to go out and have fun when they know there will be a lot of other people out having fun in venues with quality, free, live entertainment.

Many of these people have a decent level of intelligence and know this is a marketing ploy by diageo and pubs to increase sales but dont care because they like to go out and have fun with loads of other people having fun in places with quality free live entertainment.

I seriously question the intelligence of many posters on here who feel the need to point out its a marketing ploy to others as if they didnt already know. The social issues with alcohol is a different debate entirely with some merits.

meemeemee

I guess it is this. St Patricks Day is here forever. As is Halloweeen. As is Christmas. As is New Year's Eve.

But utter ****e, manufactured anniversaries, like Arthurs Day is dreamt up by cynical executives in the marketing and PR departments of multinational corporations, and can disappear as quickly as they appeared. Which is why some find people getting swept up on it like it is "real" annoying.

bazza1

meemeemee wrote: »

I guess it is this. St Patricks Day is here forever. As is Halloweeen. As is Christmas. As is New Year's Eve.

But utter ****e, manufactured anniversaries, like Arthurs Day is dreamt up by cynical executives in the marketing and PR departments of multinational corporations, and can disappear as quickly as they appeared. Which is why some find people getting swept up on it like it is "real" annoying.

I love Diageo day!

What about Tequila Tuesday or Whisky Wednesday?

Systemic Risk

Eutow wrote: »

So they say jump and you go how high.

No they say we have organised this day to promote our alcoholic beverage. There is entertainment from early until late in towns across the country and if you are coming we have a slogan we would like everyone to say at a certain time. You can come along even if you dont drink alcohol and enjoy the music....and you dont have to say the slogan if you dont want.

Eutow

bazza1 wrote: »

I love Diageo day!

What about Tequila Tuesday or Whisky Wednesday?

Innis & Gunn Day - Monday

Sierra Nevada Day - Tuesday

Fullers - Wednesday

Duvel & Galway Bay Brewery Beers - Thursday (Giving people a choice here)

Rum Day - Friday

Whiskey Day - Saturday

Brew Dog Beers - Sunday

Eutow

Eutow wrote: »

Nox001 replies by saying he normally goes out for a few on a Thursday anyway. I reply by stating he drank more because of the celebration day, hence marketing.

I didn't drink any more or less than I have on many a Thursday night so again the day had no effect on that aspect.

It was my choice of drink I was referring to also when I mentioned marketing was not playing a role, i.e. the fact it was Arthurs day is not why I was drinking Guinness I would normally drink it.

Of course the whole idea of the day is marketing but as other posters have said it gets a crowd out on a thursday night, there is a good atmosphere and a good night was had. The fact the day is a made up one does not bother me in the least.

Eutow

Lorelai Inexpensive Catapult wrote: »

I didn't drink any more or less than I have on many a Thursday night so again the day had no effect on that aspect.

It was my choice of drink I was referring to also when I mentioned marketing was not playing a role, i.e. the fact it was Arthurs day is not why I was drinking Guinness I would normally drink it.

Of course the whole idea of the day is marketing but as other posters have said it gets a crowd out on a thursday night, there is a good atmosphere and a good night was had. The fact the day is a made up one does not bother me in the least.

Fair enough, It's not just Diageo, but the whole marketing industry I'm getting sick of in general. When I asked you before if Diaego decided to have another day to celebrate Arthur's birth, you also said you wouldn't mind, it would just be an excuse to go out again. This is the problem though, Diageo could invent something every week and people would shrug their shoulders and not care. Marketing is too intrusive nowadays.

lee_baby_simms

Caliden wrote: »

So non conformist. So brave.

Nonsense.

For one company to have an almost complete strangehold of any market is never a good thing for the public.

They either buy up or attempt to strangle every single small competitor in Ireland thus depriving the public of choice. The customer and publicans lose - Diageo can control the quality and the price of beer and it shows.

And as for supporting Irish arts? Its well known that they screw over Irish bands on Arthurs Day and import big names from abroad which they pay handsomely. I know people who've played on Arthurs Day and got nothing, no costs covered or even a free pint. The same goes for DJs and technicians at the gigs.

Whats Arthurs Day?

It's a companys way of kissing your neck as they **** you up the ass.

Cork24

Arthur day is just as bad as Freshers Week in College.

driving home at 7 pm at night and seen people on the floor, some people could just about walk up the road.

AnonoBoy

Is it St. Arthur's Day already?

'tis replied Aunt Helga

meemeemee

It's this.

In a TV ad, the actors get paid, the photographers get paid, the technicians get paid. Everybody knows it is a commercial entity, and they get paid for being part of it.

A big company's marketing department cooks up a cynical "anniversary" and lots of people get involved. Some might be open eyed. But plenty are not. They are seduced by the marketing department's strategies, and they become an unpaid actor in a commercial. Fine.

It's just that one despairs of people who can be so easily influenced. If a marketing department can get them to that. What else can they get them to do ? What might the sheeple be persuaded to do next. Perhaps a short german gentleman with a Charlie Chaplin style moustache might be able to use his marketing skills can convince them to wear armbands and smash shop windows in ?

AnonoBoy

meemeemee wrote: »

What might the sheeple be persuaded to do next.

Hopefully it's turn violently on people who use the phrase 'sheeple'.

EyeSight

i said it before, i like Arthurs day. But i don't like that every other drinks company is trying to do the same now

AnonoBoy

EyeSight wrote: »

i said it before, i like Arthurs day. But i don't like that every other drinks company is trying to do the same now

Dutch Gold Wednesdays aren't that bad are they?

humanji

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Dutch Gold Wednesdays aren't that bad are they?

It's a bit much after Pimm's Tuesday.

zenno

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Ok let me put it simply.

Many people like to go out and have fun.

Many of these people like to go out and have fun when they know there will be a lot of other people out having fun that they can interact with.

Many of these people like to go out and have fun when they know there will be a lot of other people out having fun in venues with quality, free, live entertainment.

Many of these people have a decent level of intelligence and know this is a marketing ploy by diageo and pubs to increase sales but dont care because they like to go out and have fun with loads of other people having fun in places with quality free live entertainment.

I seriously question the intelligence of many posters on here who feel the need to point out its a marketing ploy to others as if they didnt already know. The social issues with alcohol is a different debate entirely with some merits.

Sounds just like any other weekend out for the buzz, Arthur's day just seems like any other weekend wholly session, but with added spice-advertisements to titillate mildly/strongly drunk minds.

Feck this, let's have a boards.ie day... now that i will get pissed for.

I would guess the issue of the advertising of products impeding and effecting large parts of everyones life is a valid point to make. The difference in this scenario is that alcohol is essentially a drug, and Diageo are essentially the 'pushers', using a incredibly large advertising budget to make people consume larger quantities of their drug than usual. Makes no difference in my eyes, Guinness and Diageo can do what they like - and so can everyone else. But you must be able to see why some people may find the idea of a drug being pushed so heavily in every day life just a little abhorrent.


There is something just a little bit stereotypical and embarrassing about the whole thing, though. Here's a video of people standing around in a circle cheering glasses being smashed in the centre, in the middle of Temple Bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4ROnYoZL8

I would imagine you may see scenes like this in other countries, perhaps during riots or sports victories. The difference here, I think, is how the belligerence spills across the demographics to a point where you have seemingly normal, average people cheering the concept of a glass being smashed in the middle of one of Dublin's most popular thoroughfares.

humanji

Why in the name of god were bars giving out glasses? Would they not have saved themselves a load of trouble by getting in a rake of plastic cups?

meemeemee

Drinks marketing is cynical.

Caffreys, a drink invented in a laboratory by lab technicians; Went to Prague and went to an Oirish bar. It slowly dawned on me that the painted murals on the walls were all scenes from Caffreys marketing.

In Britain, every alcohol company is in on St Patricks Day. It started with Guinness and Jamesons. Now, in the run up to "St Patricks Week", every pub chain in the land, every supermarket, every drinks brand, is clamouring to get in on it. Alcohol, cos thats what the Irish do, innit ? In chain bars, youngsters get smashed on shots of schnapps, and Sourz, and Woodys. If you think Arthur's day is bad, you want to see a day of St Patricks Week in a Mexican themed chain bar in Northern England.

Systemic Risk

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Hopefully it's turn violently on people who use the phrase 'sheeple'.

Jesus h christ when i read sheeple there in his post a surge of anger went through me. I hope i dont turn violent if someone uses that phrase in my vicinity in public. Not likely though as the people i meet in every day life generally arent stupid enough to say such shoite.

zenno

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

I would guess the issue of the advertising of products impeding and effecting large parts of everyones life is a valid point to make. The difference in this scenario is that alcohol is essentially a drug, and Diageo are essentially the 'pushers', using a incredibly large advertising budget to make people consume larger quantities of their drug than usual. Makes no difference in my eyes, Guinness and Diageo can do what they like - and so can everyone else. But you must be able to see why some people may find the idea of a drug being pushed so heavily in every day life just a little abhorrent.


There is something just a little bit stereotypical and embarrassing about the whole thing, though. Here's a video of people standing around in a circle cheering glasses being smashed in the centre, in the middle of Temple Bar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi4ROnYoZL8

I would imagine you may see scenes like this in other countries, perhaps during riots or sports victories. The difference here, I think, is how the belligerence spills across the demographics to a point where you have seemingly normal, average people cheering the concept of a glass being smashed in the middle of one of Dublin's most popular thoroughfares.

Seen this many times scratching my head walking by wondering if it is brain-dead day. Sad bunch of people. If you asked them who Arthur is, they wouldn't have a clue.

zenno

humanji wrote: »

Why in the name of god were bars giving out glasses? Would they not have saved themselves a load of trouble by getting in a rake of plastic cups?

That is common sense thinking, but with the scenario, the pubs only think of the crowd and busyness which will hit them soon so they just try to organise everything in-doors too fast without thinking about the out-side scenario.

hatrickpatrick

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

The difference in this scenario is that alcohol is essentially a drug, and Diageo are essentially the 'pushers', using a incredibly large advertising budget to make people consume larger quantities of their drug than usual.

This is the fallacy - how is advertising being used to "make" anyone drink anything?
All of these arguments essentially imply that your average punter is a mindless zombie who unquestioningly obeys everything he or she sees on TV. I for one find that kind of argument insulting - Diageo didn't "make" me do anything I don't want to do last night. Unless they've found some way to remotely program people's brains, suggesting that advertising "makes" people do anything is to imply that people don't think with their own minds.

meemeemee

What's wrong with sheeple ?

You find them in plenty of places. In sleeping bags outside the Apple store in the queue for the iPhone 9. Watching X Factor in tears as some kid, who was bullied at school, his mam died, and he currently has cancer, wails a Boyzone B side, whilst carefully edited shots of Simon Cowell's jaw drops in slow motion. Faithfully executing the "traditions of Arthurs Day ...

bill buchanan

Systemic Risk wrote: »

Ok let me put it simply.

Many people like to go out and have fun.

Many of these people like to go out and have fun when they know there will be a lot of other people out having fun that they can interact with.

Many of these people like to go out and have fun when they know there will be a lot of other people out having fun in venues with quality, free, live entertainment.

Many of these people have a decent level of intelligence and know this is a marketing ploy by diageo and pubs to increase sales but dont care because they like to go out and have fun with loads of other people having fun in places with quality free live entertainment.

I seriously question the intelligence of many posters on here who feel the need to point out its a marketing ploy to others as if they didnt already know. The social issues with alcohol is a different debate entirely with some merits.

I don't think that's the point. it certainly isn't from where I'm standing anyway. My concern, and that of those I know, is that we've handed over a national day of celebration to a marketing company. we even call it Arther's "day". Telling people that it's a cynical marketing ploy won't surprise them, i agree. My concern is that things that we come together to celebrate as a country should be special, important things, because these days are few and far between. A company shouldn't be able to buy that for the price of a pint and a band. way more people "celebrate" Arthur's day than commemorate things like the lockout I'd imagine and other important things in our history, and that's what worries me.

Basically we're seen to celebrate diageo above all the things worth celebrating in our history, because someone puts on a band and gives us a free pint. That can't be good for us a country.

zenno

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is the fallacy - how is advertising being used to "make" anyone drink anything?
All of these arguments essentially imply that your average punter is a mindless zombie who unquestioningly obeys everything he or she sees on TV. I for one find that kind of argument insulting - Diageo didn't "make" me do anything I don't want to do last night. Unless they've found some way to remotely program people's brains, suggesting that advertising "makes" people do anything is to imply that people don't think with their own minds.

I saw the adverts, I sat there slumped into the sofa in a friends house baked, and my mouth was watering looking at an advert from Guinness, and man did i want one, but hey, i had no cash so i realised this and put it out of my mind, so no beer for me, FIN.

Adverts of alcohol don't work at all, especially if you cannot afford it, next advert please.

humanji

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is the fallacy - how is advertising being used to "make" anyone drink anything?
All of these arguments essentially imply that your average punter is a mindless zombie who unquestioningly obeys everything he or she sees on TV. I for one find that kind of argument insulting - Diageo didn't "make" me do anything I don't want to do last night. Unless they've found some way to remotely program people's brains, suggesting that advertising "makes" people do anything is to imply that people don't think with their own minds.

I think at this stage we can stop being pedantic and take it as said that Diageo aren't holding people down and pouring booze down their throats. The argument is that without the occasion, there'd be no reason to drink.

cloudatlas

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is the fallacy - how is advertising being used to "make" anyone drink anything?
All of these arguments essentially imply that your average punter is a mindless zombie who unquestioningly obeys everything he or she sees on TV. I for one find that kind of argument insulting - Diageo didn't "make" me do anything I don't want to do last night. Unless they've found some way to remotely program people's brains, suggesting that advertising "makes" people do anything is to imply that people don't think with their own minds.

Jameson hold a film festival every year. At no point am I near alcohol nor do I feel coerced into buying a Jameson even though I like Jameson very much, but if you're going to hold music events in pubs and not in an arena drink will be present and close by. Holding a toast at a certain time makes people feel that they have to get a Guinness for the toast as we can see by pictures and videos of the event. We are programmed to respond to social conventions like toasts. I'd like to think of the Arthur's day people as brainless monkeys rather than mindless zombies.

zenno

bill buchanan wrote: »

I don't think that's the point. it certainly isn't from where I'm standing anyway. My concern, and that of those I know, is that we've handed over a national day of celebration to a marketing company. we even call it Arther's "day". Telling people that it's a cynical marketing ploy won't surprise them, i agree. My concern is that things that we come together to celebrate as a country should be special, important things, because these days are few and far between. A company shouldn't be able to buy that for the price of a pint and a band. way more people "celebrate" Arthur's day than commemorate things like the lockout I'd imagine and other important things in our history, and that's what worries me.

Basically we're seen to celebrate diageo above all the things worth celebrating in our history, because someone puts on a band and gives us a free pint. That can't be good for us a country.

The line is drawn, and soon they will be able to patent your DNA so no biggy, but they will own you ALL.

humanji

humanji wrote: »

I think at this stage we can stop being pedantic and take it as said that Diageo aren't holding people down and pouring booze down their throats. The argument is that without the occasion, there'd be no reason to drink.

Whats wrong with having a reason to drink? Yes you can go out any night you wish and I know I certainly don't need any excuse to go drinking but having a day like this gets lots of people out at the same time, which makes for a better atmosphere and creates a bit of a buzz compared to a normal Thursday night.

People are thinking about this so much and reading into it so much their heads must be bursting. The sum total of my thinking about arthurs day was. "It's Arthurs day, there will be a bit of craic around lets go for a few pints". I don't care that its marketing, or that we are celebrating a brand, sure I love the stuff and I've no problem celebrating it