"Where's my horse?" Owner claims Garda told him to "Check Tesco"

grenache

Quite funny if the guard did actually respond to him with such a witty retort......


http://www.limerickpost.ie/2013/09/19/wheres-my-horse-owner-claims-garda-said-check-tesco/

A LIMERICK man who had three horses seized by local authorities told a court that a Garda told him the next time he would see his horse would be on a shelf in Tesco as “burger meat”.

Gerard Walsh (42) of Whitecross Gardens, Moyross pleaded guilty at Limerick District Court to using foul and abusive language to gardaí on April 23 last.

The day prior to the incident, Mr Walsh had three mares seized as part of a local authority clampdown on unlicenced horses in the area. He said that this was a “highly emotive issue in the area”.

He admitted telling Sgt Kevin Burke to “f*** off” when he made the remark that his horse would be found on the shelves of Tesco.

MyKeyG

Maybe they're the ones taking all the horses to France!

Seaneh

The fact that you can be charged with a crime for telling a gardai to "**** off" is a bit of a joke.
Archaic nonsense law.

Phoebas

A potential criminal conviction for life for using foul language to a Guard after being provoked by the Guard.
Harsh.

MyKeyG

“I am not accepting that the Sergeant said that. I hope that he didn’t say it but he is not in court to answer that claim”

This sickens my ****! Gardai have a tough job but that they're not capable of such impropriety is ridiculous. It's not even a case that they're fallible, sometimes they're just plain rude even when it's uncalled for.

seamus

Well we don't know if he was provoked by the Garda, it's a pikey's word in court.

It makes sense for there to be a punishment for showing blatant disrespect to a member of the force. Otherwise every pikey in the land will think it's fine to shout abuse at Gardai all the time. Which weakens their authoritah.

Howard Juneau

Phoebas wrote: »

A potential criminal conviction for life for using foul language to a Guard after being provoked by the Guard.
Harsh.

A potential career criminal lying under oath to try to curry favour with the judge more like.

Mr. CooL ICE

Seaneh wrote: »

The fact that you can be charged with a crime for telling a gardai to "**** off" is a bit of a joke.
Archaic nonsense law.

Not really

Henlars67

seamus wrote: »

Well we don't know if he was provoked by the Garda, it's a pikey's word in court.

It makes sense for there to be a punishment for showing blatant disrespect to a member of the force. Otherwise every pikey in the land will think it's fine to shout abuse at Gardai all the time. Which weakens their authoritah.

I'm a little uneasy with people automatically being entitled to respect because they wear a uniform. Men with collars were automatically entitled to respect for a long time here, and we all know how that turned out.

Treat people with respect and you'll get respect back.

I've witnessed numerous gardai trying to antagonise drunk young lads on a Saturday night, obviously somebody will react badly.

I'm not saying this did as it's only one man's word against his, but blatant disrespect toward members of the public from gardai is much more prevalent than many think.

Howard Juneau

Henlars67 wrote: »

I'm a little uneasy with people automatically being entitled to respect because they wear a uniform. Men with collars were automatically entitled to respect for a long time here, and we all know how that turned out.

Treat people with respect and you'll get respect back.

I've witnessed numerous gardai trying to antagonise drunk young lads on a Saturday night, obviously somebody will react badly.

I'm not saying this did as it's only one man's word against his, but blatant disrespect toward members of the public from gardai is much more prevalent than many think.

In your opinion, and absolutely nothing more than that.

Henlars67

Howard Juneau wrote: »

In your opinion, and absolutely nothing more than that.

I've witnessed it, didn't happen to me, but I've seen it loads of times

seamus

Henlars67 wrote: »

I'm a little uneasy with people automatically being entitled to respect because they wear a uniform.

I agree. Everyone should be automatically entitled to respect unless they've shown cause to not deserve it.

A person who chooses to don the uniform is entitled to be free from being disrespected just because of that uniform, hence why it's punishable. The same should be true for all of the defence forces.

Greenmachine

Absolute non story

gobnaitolunacy

Why do people who live in council houses think they've got a God-given right to keep a horse, roaming around, without any facilities for it?
About time this sh!t was clamped down on, cause of so much needless suffering for the animals.

anncoates

Phoebas wrote: »

A potential criminal conviction for life for using foal language to a Guard after being provoked by the Guard.

Fixed.

Phoebas

seamus wrote: »

Well we don't know if he was provoked by the Garda, it's a pikey's word in court.

It makes sense for there to be a punishment for showing blatant disrespect to a member of the force. Otherwise every pikey in the land will think it's fine to shout abuse at Gardai all the time. Which weakens their authoritah.

That's a two way street.

seamus

Phoebas wrote: »

That's a two way street.

Yes and no. Yes, Gardai should treat all members of the public with respect, that goes without saying, but no in that there needs to exist a double standard.

The same reason why murdering a Garda is a more serious crime than a normal murder. Because it's one thing to break a rule of society, it's another thing altogether to attack the framework which upholds those rules.

It's unpalatable and probably unfair in principle, but it's necessary to maintain the rule of law.

Specialun

Some Guards are just dicks

I was driving home afew weeks ago and I was pulled over. I was minding my own business and well within the speed Limit.

When Iwas pulled over I asked on what grounds was I pulled over.. I was told that they had a report of a similar car speeding in a village..to which I replied " I doubt there are many other bright orange Focus's around the place"..to which the reply was "Fook Off and just show me your license"...I was well annoyed and asked for his Badge number to which I was greeted by a laugh..It was a joke how the guard acted...

Dempsey

seamus wrote: »

Well we don't know if he was provoked by the Garda, it's a pikey's word in court.

It makes sense for there to be a punishment for showing blatant disrespect to a member of the force. Otherwise every pikey in the land will think it's fine to shout abuse at Gardai all the time. Which weakens their authoritah.

Not too different to the thinking of 1960's America! :rolleyes:

Its laughable that the judge thinks members of Gardai are incapable of such a response as "Check Tesco" etc when confiscating horses! The GSOC probably has the same attitude!

heroics

Specialun wrote: »

Some Guards are just dicks

I was driving home afew weeks ago and I was pulled over. I was minding my own business and well within the speed Limit.

When Iwas pulled over I asked on what grounds was I pulled over.. I was told that they had a report of a similar car speeding in a village..to which I replied " I doubt there are many other bright orange Focus's around the place"..to which the reply was "Fook Off and just show me your license"...I was well annoyed and asked for his Badge number to which I was greeted by a laugh..It was a joke how the guard acted...

So in other words you were pulled over. He had a reason to pull you over (report of speeding) and you decided to give a smart response and you wonder why the garda got a bit thick with you.

I have been pulled over many times and have never had a problem with the garda probably because I don't reply with smart comments. Generally I find when dealing with them if you don't act like a dick they are generally all right.

Hobbes

I find if you don't act like a c't from the get go, Guards are normally very civil and understanding.

Henlars67

Hobbes wrote: »

I find if you don't act like a c't from the get go, Guards are normally very civil and understanding.

Some of them are, some of them aren't, like people in any other occupation.

The problem is that due to the nature of their job they shouldn't seek to antagonise people or instigate trouble and some of them do.

Specialun

heroics wrote: »

So in other words you were pulled over. He had a reason to pull you over (report of speeding) and you decided to give a smart response and you wonder why the garda got a bit thick with you.

I have been pulled over many times and have never had a problem with the garda probably because I don't reply with smart comments. Generally I find when dealing with them if you don't act like a dick they are generally all right.

He didnt have a reason to pull me over..he clearly made up. He had zero reason to pull me over and regardless of that me "Being smart" doesnt warrant his response of "Fook off and show me your license"HTH

FTA69

seamus wrote: »

Yes and no. Yes, Gardai should treat all members of the public with respect, that goes without saying, but no in that there needs to exist a double standard.

There's no "yes and no" about it. The police are supposed to serve and protect the general public, they aren't some sort of infallible overlords who are entitled to treat people like sh*t just because they're the cops like. There are plenty of reasons why people dislike the Guards and it's often down to the pig-ignorant (pun unintentional) attitude and sometimes thuggish nature they display.

Taunting someone about their pet and then arresting them when you're told to "f*ck off" is playground bully behaviour if I ever saw it.

Hobbes

Henlars67 wrote: »

Some of them are, some of them aren't, like people in any other occupation.

They are human just like everyone else. While they have training dealing with the public and dealing with situations, it doesn't mean they are immune to others acting like assholes.

The problem is that due to the nature of their job they shouldn't seek to antagonise people or instigate trouble and some of them do.

Nature of everyones job is not to antagonise others.

seamus

FTA69 wrote: »

There's no "yes and no" about it. The police are supposed to serve and protect the general public, they aren't some sort of infallible overlords who are entitled to treat people like sh*t just because they're the cops like.

That's a nice little fantasy you've got going there where you think I said anything remotely like that.

Tramps Like Us

seamus wrote: »

Well we don't know if he was provoked by the Garda, it's a pikey's word in court.

It makes sense for there to be a punishment for showing blatant disrespect to a member of the force. Otherwise every pikey in the land will think it's fine to shout abuse at Gardai all the time. Which weakens their authoritah.

What the hell is wrong with you, you blather on about respect and the rule of law and you use a term like "pikey!?"

Howard Juneau

Specialun wrote: »

Some Guards are just dicks

I was driving home afew weeks ago and I was pulled over. I was minding my own business and well within the speed Limit.

When Iwas pulled over I asked on what grounds was I pulled over.. I was told that they had a report of a similar car speeding in a village..to which I replied " I doubt there are many other bright orange Focus's around the place"..to which the reply was "Fook Off and just show me your license"...I was well annoyed and asked for his Badge number to which I was greeted by a laugh..It was a joke how the guard acted...

The very fact you have an orange ford focus should be a criminal offence anyway!

seamus

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

What the hell is wrong with you, you blather on about respect and the rule of law and you use a term like "pikey!?"

Well I'm effectively barred from discussing the term, which isn't particularly offensive, but like I say, everyone deserves respect until they've shown they don't.

This is a man who's been in trouble with the law a number of times and keeps unlicenced horses roaming around a green area in an urban housing estate.

So he doesn't deserve much respect IMO, he's unable to provide even basic facilities or documents for these horses he claims to care for so much.

krudler

heroics wrote: »

So in other words you were pulled over. He had a reason to pull you over (report of speeding) and you decided to give a smart response and you wonder why the garda got a bit thick with you.

I have been pulled over many times and have never had a problem with the garda probably because I don't reply with smart comments. Generally I find when dealing with them if you don't act like a dick they are generally all right.

That's hardly a smart response, it's a statement of fact. Ever seen many orange Focus cars around?

Tramps Like Us

seamus wrote: »

Well I'm effectively barred from discussing the term, which isn't particularly offensive, but like I say, everyone deserves respect until they've shown they don't.

This is a man who's been in trouble with the law a number of times and keeps unlicenced horses roaming around a green area in an urban housing estate.

So he doesn't deserve much respect IMO, he's unable to provide even basic facilities or documents for these horses he claims to care for so much.

Says who? Of course its offensive and you should be ashamed to have used it. The moral high horse trip your on doesn't fly when the person uses disgraceful discriminatory terms like you have, then tries to excuse it by saying its not offensive!! You should look at yourself before criticsing others

it's a pikey's word in court.

Will you look at yourself

seamus

Like I say, there's no point in getting into a discussion on it, either or both of us will just get banned. What you think it means and what I think it means probably differ, but it's not discriminatory in the slightest IMO, any more than the word "scumbag" is.

Rachiee

Ive also witnessed gardai antagonise and provoke people on several occasions and blatantly so; how do they expect people to react. its poor training and poor leadership; hence why its more prevalent in some forces than others.

Tramps Like Us

seamus wrote: »

Like I say, there's no point in getting into a discussion on it, either or both of us will just get banned. What you think it means and what I think it means probably differ, but it's not discriminatory in the slightest IMO, any more than the word "scumbag" is.

Then your head is in the sand. Of course it is discriminatory, you should be ashamed
http://metro.co.uk/2007/12/13/pikey-is-now-a-race-hate-word-583752/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7446274.stm

I could go on and link to sites like Pavee point and what travellers say about the term themselves

keithclancy

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Then your head is in the sand. Of course it is discriminatory, you should be ashamed
http://metro.co.uk/2007/12/13/pikey-is-now-a-race-hate-word-583752/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7446274.stm

I could go on and link to sites like Pavee point and what travellers say about the term themselves

You should talk to Joe:
http://www.travellerfm.com/About-The-DJs.html

Dempsey

seamus wrote: »

Like I say, there's no point in getting into a discussion on it, either or both of us will just get banned. What you think it means and what I think it means probably differ, but it's not discriminatory in the slightest IMO, any more than the word "scumbag" is.

In the context that you used earlier in the thread, it definitely was discriminatory.

seamus

I never mentioned travellers. The man lives in a house, so he's clearly not a traveller. I would suggest that I'm not the one being discriminatory.

FTA69

seamus wrote: »

I never mentioned travellers. The man lives in a house, so he's clearly not a traveller. I would suggest that I'm not the one being discriminatory.

Most Travellers live in a house these days. You're talking out your arse.

Santa Cruz

Seaneh wrote: »

The fact that you can be charged with a crime for telling a gardai to "**** off" is a bit of a joke.
Archaic nonsense law.

Correct. Dirtbirds should be allowed verbally abuse Gardaí, Staff in A and E, Social Workers, Dole Office staff. They're only Public Servants after all.

seamus

FTA69 wrote: »

Most Travellers live in a house these days.

That sentence makes no sense. Travellers travel. They are defined by the very fact that they don't live in a house. If they live in a house, they cease to travel, therefore are no longer travellers.

Tramps Like Us

seamus wrote: »

I never mentioned travellers. The man lives in a house, so he's clearly not a traveller. I would suggest that I'm not the one being discriminatory.

Pathetic.

Even if you weren't, as another poster said, talking out your arse thats no excuse to use such a term, its amazing that you think it is.

Santa Cruz

krudler wrote: »

That's hardly a smart response, it's a statement of fact. Ever seen many orange Focus cars around?

Very popular in Ballymena around the Twelfth. Usually have a poster of Ian Paisley on the bonnet

seamus

thats no excuse to use such a term, its amazing that you think it is.

I'm really offended by your username. They should be known as the "domicile impaired", not "tramps". You should be ashamed of yourself. I'm amazed you think it's appropriate as a username.

Tramps Like Us

seamus wrote: »

I'm really offended by your username. They should be known as the "domicile impaired", not "tramps". You should be ashamed of yourself. I'm amazed you think it's appropriate as a username.

It's a lyric from a Bruce Springsteen song.


Keep digging, you're just making yourself look more backward and ignorant by using shameful, offensive, racist language like you are. How you haven't been banned is beyond me. Do you also go around calling people ****, ******s and Pakis? Its the same type of thing.

FTA69

seamus wrote: »

That sentence makes no sense. Travellers travel. They are defined by the very fact that they don't live in a house. If they live in a house, they cease to travel, therefore are no longer travellers.

Travellers are a seperate group in society with a tradition of nomadism, they don't have to exercise that tradition in order to be considered part of that group. Honestly mate, go read up on the subject or something. Or go and call a Traveller a pikey and then tell him he can't get mad because he lives in a house. It'll be a far more interactive form of education.

ScouseMouse

FTA69 wrote: »

Travellers are a seperate group in society with a tradition of nomadism, they don't have to exercise that tradition in order to be considered part of that group. Honestly mate, go read up on the subject or something. Or go and call a Traveller a pikey and then tell him he can't get mad because he lives in a house. It'll be a far more interactive form of education.

A tradition of nomadism? I can think of other traditions they have but would rather not get banned.

Pikey is a slang word I have heard them use to each other.

If they can say it, others can say it.

Er, are tramps not nomads?

FTA69

superscouse wrote: »

Pikey is a slang word I have heard them use to each other.

If you're actually asserting that Travellers use the term "pikey" to describe themselves then you're lying. They don't, and they find the term highly offensive. "Pikey" is an English term that people in Ireland only started using after Snatch came out. You may be thinking of "Pavee" which is how they refer to themselves.

If they can say it, others can say it.

I heard Jay Z say "n*gger" the other day. Does that mean I can call my postman a "n*gger" tomorrow morning?

Dempsey

superscouse wrote: »

A tradition of nomadism? I can think of other traditions they have but would rather not get banned.

Pikey is a slang word I have heard them use to each other.

If they can say it, others can say it.

Er, are tramps not nomads?

I heard black people use the word n*gger towards each other, that doesnt excuse anyone using it in a discriminatory context.

kerry4sam

Rachiee wrote: »

Ive also witnessed gardai antagonise and provoke people on several occasions and blatantly so; how do they expect people to react. its poor training and poor leadership; hence why its more prevalent in some forces than others.

It is not poor training, the training that members of An Garda Síochána receive at commencement of employment is second to none! Outstanding staff and resources available at Templemore; my issues is what happens in the stations. Re-Read some auld threads on boards and other sites and speak to serving members about what they get told in the stations after their time in Templemore!

I've serious issues with An Garda Síochána with what happens in the stations, it is there where members learn to & change their attitudes imo, it has nothing to to with their training and why I'm not commenting on 'Leadership'! Saying members get poor training is nothing short of nonsense!

WilyCoyote

The guarda should have said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8

without the inverted victory sign

ScouseMouse

FTA69 wrote: »

superscouse wrote: »

If you're actually asserting that Travellers use the term "pikey" to describe themselves then you're lying. They don't, and they find the term highly offensive. "Pikey" is an English term that people in Ireland only started using after Snatch came out. You may be thinking of "Pavee" which is how they refer to themselves.



I heard Jay Z say "n*gger" the other day. Does that mean I can call my postman a "n*gger" tomorrow morning?

Liar? You obviously have not seen the scum that stay in the guesthouse next to my job, its famous. They get lots of them in there and quite a few from the UK. I know, I deal with them practically weekly. Its so bad, that when the owner rings the guards, he is told they are busy. (alledgedly)

Like youtube? Heres a video for you.


Some of them do refer to themselves using that name.