5000 cow farm in Tipp.

Dont be daft

delaval wrote: »

Why?

Rental prices would have to be effected.
Take 5,000 odd acres out of an area and I wouldn't fancy trying to lease a place locally. Even if a lot of those 5,000 were formally tillage its still less land available to your average farmer.
Basically all the expansion potential that area had, would be taken by this one farm only.

delaval

Dont be daft wrote: »

Rental prices would have to be effected.
Take 5,000 odd acres out of an area and I wouldn't fancy trying to lease a place locally. Even if a lot of those 5,000 were formally tillage its still less land available to your average farmer.
Basically all the expansion potential that area had, would be taken by this one farm only.

I hear you but I think 500 acres is all it would take with cows housed. Would it not be a good opportunity for local tillage guys to supply feed?

grazeaway

delaval wrote: »

I hear you but I think 500 acres is all it would take with cows housed. Would it not be a good opportunity for local tillage guys to supply feed?

I'd say lely, fullwood and gea will be beating a path around south tipp to get thier robots considered. Can't see it being anything but zero grazed, in that case it ll like the units in Germany or holland

Dont be daft

delaval wrote: »

I hear you but I think 500 acres is all it would take with cows housed. Would it not be a good opportunity for local tillage guys to supply feed?

I suppose your right. For some reason I had it in my head that it'd be a zero-grazing operation and would need a land bank of an acre a cow.

grazeaway

delaval wrote: »

I hear you but I think 500 acres is all it would take with cows housed. Would it not be a good opportunity for local tillage guys to supply feed?

They would probably be like most of the grain merchants in Ireland and import the grain. The locals would most likly be contracted for grass

Farmer Pudsey

delaval wrote: »

I hear you but I think 500 acres is all it would take with cows housed. Would it not be a good opportunity for local tillage guys to supply feed?

I agree Delaval land required will not be huge however do not think that it will be an opportunity for local tillage guy's the fellas operating will be trying to buy everything as World prices with maybe a little margin, if you 10 euro/ton extra you will have to drop it in there yard and if it is not within spec:( you will take a big hit, For logistics and a steady diet for cows they will buy in in bulk from an importer. I do not think they will be into stock piling 30-40 days feed or 100 days of a certain product. They will require 50 ton of grain/ day at 10kg/cow. This would be the sort of figures with zero grazers not to mind in the winter when total diet is required.

grazeaway wrote: »

I'd say lely, fullwood and gea will be beating a path around south tipp to get thier robots considered. Can't see it being anything but zero grazed, in that case it ll like the units in Germany or holland

Will not be robot based as Delaval said a few rotary parlours with milkers on shift work maybe working 5 days on two days off, overlap the days off so nobody is working with the same guys all the time, and maybe overlap the shifts in case of a fella not turning up.

Just to give you an idea of the scale the wage bill alone for milking alone would be a around 750K working on two rotarys going 24/7.

keep going

Iwas thinking of putting the 10000 cows in athy, it make alot more sense

delaval

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I agree Delaval land required will not be huge however do not think that it will be an opportunity for local tillage guy's the fellas operating will be trying to buy everything as World prices with maybe a little margin, if you 10 euro/ton extra you will have to drop it in there yard and if it is not within spec:( you will take a big hit, For logistics and a steady diet for cows they will buy in in bulk from an importer. I do not think they will be into stock piling 30-40 days feed or 100 days of a certain product. They will require 50 ton of grain/ day at 10kg/cow. This would be the sort of figures with zero grazers not to mind in the winter when total diet is required.




Will not be robot based as Delaval said a few rotary parlours with milkers on shift work maybe working 5 days on two days off, overlap the days off so nobody is working with the same guys all the time, and maybe overlap the shifts in case of a fella not turning up.

Just to give you an idea of the scale the wage bill alone for milking alone would be a around 750K working on two rotarys going 24/7.

Ok Pudsey, you've gotten the HR gig!!
They will need to deal with local farmers to some extent as they will require lands to spread manure.
I'd say that Glanbia or Dairygold as milk buyers will be supplying feeds.

maxxuumman

grazeaway wrote: »

They would probably be like most of the grain merchants in Ireland and import the grain. The locals would most likly be contracted for grass

They've contacted about 10 local Tillage guys to talk about contracts. The talk is that they are getting no takers yet.

delaval

maxxuumman wrote: »

They've contacted about 10 local Tillage guys to talk about contracts. The talk is that they are getting no takers yet.

Is it an Irish or foreign group planning this farm?

freedominacup

maxxuumman wrote: »

They've contacted about 10 local Tillage guys to talk about contracts. The talk is that they are getting no takers yet.

They probably want to tie the tillage boys into the same type of contract Glanbia are palnning to foist on their suppliers i.e. you are contracted to supply them with X amount and are subject penalties for not meeting targets regardless how poor a price they decide to pay. I think at least of us dairy guys need a short sharp lesson about forward contracts like the one some tillage farmers endured last year.

maxxuumman

delaval wrote: »

Is it an Irish or foreign group planning this farm?

The two main guys are local to here. Former dairy men. They have investors on board. Don't know the details of the investors.

Farmer Pudsey

delaval wrote: »

Ok Pudsey, you've gotten the HR gig!!
They will need to deal with local farmers to some extent as they will require lands to spread manure.
I'd say that Glanbia or Dairygold as milk buyers will be supplying feeds.

I told you Del boy that I am coming in after yee make a mess of it buying it for 30cent in the euro and running the f##king think myself. This is like beef farming some one needs to lose a sh#t load of money for some one else to make it:D:D:D

freedominacup

maxxuumman wrote: »

The two main guys are local to here. Former dairy men. They have investors on board. Don't know the details of the investors.

Was one of them on a grand designs type programme with Duncan back in the day or are they more Carrick side?

freedominacup

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I told you Del boy that I am coming in after yee make a mess of it buying it for 30cent in the euro and running the f##king think myself. This is like beef farming some one needs to lose a sh#t load of money for some one else to make it:D:D:D

Any chance of a start?;)

Timmaay

http://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/dairy-cattle/5758711 not quite tipp, and not quite 5000 cows, but interesting all the same, ya don't often see the likes of that on donedeal. When they say finance can be arranged, how much are we talking about, I'm guessing well into the millions.

who the fug

Irish speaking management?

st1979

Timmaay wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/dairy-cattle/5758711 not quite tipp, and not quite 5000 cows, but interesting all the same, ya don't often see the likes of that on donedeal. When they say finance can be arranged, how much are we talking about, I'm guessing well into the millions.

Interesting but my biggest problem would be language barrier. My german is poor but I would never understand the "irish speaking managers"

whelan1

st1979 wrote: »

Interesting but my biggest problem would be language barrier. My german is poor but I would never understand the "irish speaking managers"

eldest lad is learning german, its avery easy langauge to learn, wouldnt let that stop ya

freedominacup

whelan1 wrote: »

eldest lad is learning german, its avery easy langauge to learn, wouldnt let that stop ya

Unreal how easy it is. We went to see friends in Berlin a couple of years ago and roadsigns/metro signs were making sense in a day. It probably helps that the city is full of recognisable landmarks. That said checkpoint charlie took some finding. If it was here there'd be all sorts of hangers on trying to cash in with signs promoing it everywhere.

bbam

delaval wrote: »

Is it an Irish or foreign group planning this farm?

That's a great question.
Would this be a toe in the water from China to secure some dairy supply for themselves.

All the talk about trade relations with china is great. But it's much more their style to move in and produce the product locally on their own terms.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

st1979

whelan1 wrote: »

eldest lad is learning german, its avery easy langauge to learn, wouldnt let that stop ya

Id prefer that. To trying to learn irish.

stanflt

Timmaay wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/dairy-cattle/5758711 not quite tipp, and not quite 5000 cows, but interesting all the same, ya don't often see the likes of that on donedeal. When they say finance can be arranged, how much are we talking about, I'm guessing well into the millions.

Das ist eine sehr Gute ide - aber ich habe kein geld

Dont be daft

whelan1 wrote: »

eldest lad is learning german, its avery easy langauge to learn, wouldnt let that stop ya

It only seems that way because its a saxon language. I studied it in school and college and believe me its not that easy at all. The grammar is a nightmare.

stanflt

Dont be daft wrote: »

It only seems that way because its a saxon language. I studied it in school and college and believe me its not that easy at all. The grammar is a nightmare.

Ich bin
Du bist
Er ist
Sie est
Wir Sind
Ihr seid

Etc- easy peasy !

Dont be daft

stanflt wrote: »

Ich bin
Du bist
Er ist
Sie est
Wir Sind
Ihr seid

Etc- easy peasy !

Aw stop, your giving me flashbacks:D

lakill Farm

i did German for JC and LC. I hated hated hated it. Started college and feck it was there also . 3 weeks in and i got to drop it thank god.

But then again they say people into languages arent into numbers and head over arse

mf240

Can't help thinking of these Germans leading Irish..

An vill cead agam dull go di an letterhousin!

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/dairycattle-for-sale/dairy-cattle/5758711 not quite tipp, and not quite 5000 cows, but interesting all the same, ya don't often see the likes of that on donedeal. When they say finance can be arranged, how much are we talking about, I'm guessing well into the millions.

someone give him a ring and suss it out and let us know:D

farmertipp

ford2600 wrote: »

So there is no health implications? No need increased medicine? No issue with antibiotics?
An animal evolves for millions of years on a certain diet and then changes to something else without any issues?

I think a farm of this size would really be a problem for other local farmers within 25 miles if we had a fodder shortage. Also what kind of terms would they extract from contractors and merchants?.and then go bust?

jaymla627

farmertipp wrote: »

I think a farm of this size would really be a problem for other local farmers within 25 miles if we had a fodder shortage. Also what kind of terms would they extract from contractors and merchants?.and then go bust?

It would be another cappoquinn chickens a lot of people would be left on the hook for a lot of money.