Easier to get a job as a male Primary school teacher..?

paulie22315

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

One of the most ridiculous and obnoxious posts I have ever seen in the Teaching and Lecturing forum! :rolleyes:

My only hope is that you, yourself are not a teacher!

Oh indeed I am a teacher, in addition to this I am a psychologist and a qualified psychotherapist specialising in mental health for children.
I find it Incredible that someone would report my original post. If any individual can come up with empirical evidence to suggest that assertions regarding the system which surrounds maternity leave is incorrect, then I would retract any statement made. I do not believe the figures exist for such declarations.

There are ladies right now who will be year in and out timing their pregnancies around the school year with a view to a september birth or whichever way it suits them for paid leave, I have witnessed, and heard these discussions myself.

In regards to my original post, is it easier to get a job as a man, well on the basis of how the system is being used, in my subjective opinion (which I am entitled to) yes it can be, I cannot speak for every principal, but some principals I know personally would most certainly take a man. Interestingly most ladies on here disagree, well I womder if gender quota's were introduced how the birth rates around september might drop.

Think of a school as a business, humans take the line of least resistance, hiring a man may lead to this in reality.

TheDriver

paulie22315 wrote: »

There are ladies right now who will be year in and out timing their pregnancies around the school year with a view to a september birth or whichever way it suits them for paid leave, I have witnessed, and heard these discussions myself.

so? Isn't it human nature to maximise any benefit that you might receive otherwise you are basically throwing money away?? With the new 6 months including holidays arrangements however, it isn't as lucrative however who can blame anyone for working the system to their benefit, its not like its going to be happening every year for 10 years.

paulie22315

TheDriver wrote: »

so? Isn't it human nature to maximise any benefit that you might receive otherwise you are basically throwing money away?? With the new 6 months including holidays arrangements however, it isn't as lucrative however who can blame anyone for working the system to their benefit, its not like its going to be happening every year for 10 years.

Is it human nature to maximise the benefits? I would probably agree with you there, however I dont htink that the taxpayers would.

Pinkycharm

paulie22315 wrote: »

Oh indeed I am a teacher, in addition to this I am a psychologist and a qualified psychotherapist specialising in mental health for children.
I find it Incredible that someone would report my original post. If any individual can come up with empirical evidence to suggest that assertions regarding the system which surrounds maternity leave is incorrect, then I would retract any statement made. I do not believe the figures exist for such declarations.

There are ladies right now who will be year in and out timing their pregnancies around the school year with a view to a september birth or whichever way it suits them for paid leave, I have witnessed, and heard these discussions myself.

In regards to my original post, is it easier to get a job as a man, well on the basis of how the system is being used, in my subjective opinion (which I am entitled to) yes it can be, I cannot speak for every principal, but some principals I know personally would most certainly take a man. Interestingly most ladies on here disagree, well I womder if gender quota's were introduced how the birth rates around september might drop.

Think of a school as a business, humans take the line of least resistance, hiring a man may lead to this in reality.

As someone who was primary and moved to secondary sector I think that your posts are comical. Both my parents are primary principals and just showed them this post. My brother is a primary school teacher also and you would think having parents in the business would also make him more attractive to posts but no. He applied for a job in my mother's school and didn't get it because she felt a female teacher who also applied was the better candidate. Both have turned male candidates away because they rely too much in their sport to get them the job, with some feeling just because they play for a county team that they are entitled to it. Not the case. Thankfully he did secure a job in the end in a school when another teacher turned it down. I think he's a great tea her and he has great references he just was t what some schools were looking for and he has the sport etc going for him too. Ironically it was his choice because he felt it was an easy way into a job but learned the hard way that in the real world and in this century equality reigns!

That male thing may have been true years ago but now it's gone out the window. There are too many people and not enough jobs. From their professional experience they would never hire someone based on gender. Maternity leave is what it is. If women don't have babies we don't have high enrolments but in saying that the system was abused highly by some. That's how I got my job now. Someone on maternity leave just decided not to come back. I also have a son who I planned to have in July so I didn't need to go on maternity leave, I worked right up until the end of June and was back in August so we're all not out for the time off.

A man will get the job if he's the better candidate not because he is male.

That's our opinions anyways.

paulie22315

Pinkycharm wrote: »

As someone who was primary and moved to secondary sector I think that your posts are comical. Both my parents are primary principals and just showed them this post. My brother is a primary school teacher also, just qualified last year and you would think having parents in the business would also make him more attractive to posts but no. He applied for a job in my mother's school and didn't get it because she felt a female teacher who also applied was the better candidate.

That male thing may have been true years ago but now it's gone out the window. There are too many people and not enough jobs. From their professional experience they would never hire someone based on gender. Maternity leave is what it is. If women don't have babies we don't have high enrolments but in saying that the system was abused highly by some. That's how I got my job now. Someone on maternity leave just decided not to come back. I also have a son who I planned to have in July so I didn't need to go on maternity leave, I worked right up until the end of June and was back in August so we're all not out for the time off.

A man will get the job if he's the better candidate not because he is male.

That's our opinions anyways.

I respect your opinion in its entirety, however i respectfully submit that what i said in my last post was that 'it can be easier', and not dogmatically that it is easier thank you kindly.

Also why would having parents as teachers in your opinion make it easier to get a job as a teacher then eh?

I am all for right candidate for the job, which is the subjective opinion of the principal of whatever school the application is made to.

On the basis of this whether you find my comments comical or not is comical in itself, because your opinion is based on conjecture, and not fact so it is as just as relevant to mine. No more and no less in fact.

Having Mammy and Daddy as teachers wont change that fact, neither you nor they can speak for any principal(save being one themselves) in their cases their own schools. Beyond the boundary of those schools is another principals choice.

Our wonderful minister has made excellent decision on higher level maths and Irish also btw.

Good day.

whiteandlight

This thread has been bumped unnecessarily and is off topic. Closed now.