vaping in public

ComputerKing

I have no problem with ye 'vaping' it's the way ye think it's OK to do in shops and cinemas etc that pisses me off. Also I drink coffee as are a lot of my friends but I'm not so addicted to coffee that I have cravings so bad that I need to drink coffee during my weekly shop or I will go crazy or when walking around a shopping centre.

grindle

You drink coffee? Are you sure you don't 'drink' coffee? Or even better, "drink" coffee?

Chances are people aren't that craven, they just go "Oh, might as well have a drag." much the same as I'd walk past a nice café and think "Oh, I'd quite like a coffee pick-me-up right now." *walks into café, notices slovenly computer nerd gargling coffee and picking muffin out of his navel whilst arguing with hedonist addicts*

tommy2bad

ComputerKing wrote: »

I have no problem with ye 'vaping' it's the way ye think it's OK to do in shops and cinemas etc that pisses me off. Also I drink coffee as are a lot of my friends but I'm not so addicted to coffee that I have cravings so bad that I need to drink coffee during my weekly shop or I will go crazy or when walking around a shopping centre.

That's because it is OK, it a form of relaxation nothing more. If I'm working I don't vape anymore than I sip cups of cofey. When I'm sitting down (with a cup of cofey) I like to vape, or watching TV or driving (don't drip n drive folks) With your arm around your sweet one, In your Oldsmobile, Barrellin' down the boulevard,... Oh no I'v turned into Tom Waits :eek:

was.deevey

If tobacco companies continue to lose smokers to vaping they will and are entering the market and try and make vaping attractive to a new generation of people.

I celebrate vaping, it has removed my smokers cough, improved my stamina, skin, sense of taste and smell and I am not as likely to die from a smoke related disease....why knock it?

I celebrate vaping, in the same way as I'd celebrate getting over any other kind of addiction. That hoever doesn't mean breaking out my alternative in every shopping mall, coffee shop, restaurant or kids play school because its not harmful to the health.

Yes I'm healthier due to it and sure I vape where I used to smoke, that includes inside bars (if allowed), outdoors pretty much anywhere, in peoples houses (even cigarette free ones arent a problem most of the time).

However I don't believe this "celebration" should be glorified as the holy grail and the habit passed onto a whole new generation of non-nicotine addicts who may have a chance at not even knowing what tobacco is (I make an effort not to vape in front of small kids).

One of the other posters hit the nail on the head and drew a comparison to playing your headphones too loud on a crowded bus - sure you can do it, its not illegal, you'll probably piss off a few people but common courtesy says you probably shouldn't.

dePeatrick

was.deevey wrote: »

However I don't believe this "celebration" should be glorified as the holy grail and the habit passed onto a whole new generation of non-nicotine addicts who may have a chance at not even knowing what tobacco is (I make an effort not to vape in front of small kids).

One of the other posters hit the nail on the head and drew a comparison to playing your headphones too loud on a crowded bus - sure you can do it, its not illegal, you'll probably piss off a few people but common courtesy says you probably shouldn't.

I don't see vaping being taken up by non-smokers unless there is some serious marketing behind it. This should not happen but will happen unless government come out strong against it. Not convinced that government will do this tbh....

Fratton Fred

Vaperus wrote: »

Yeah we should do the same with all the Caffeine addicts as well

I'm fecked then, my two favourite possessions are my ITaste/T3s and my nespresso machine!

Vaperus

Yep you should lock yourself in your house and not come out unless you leave both behind

dePeatrick

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm fecked then, my two favourite possessions are my ITaste/T3s and my nespresso machine!

Sh*t, me too.....:p

Ionised

dePeatrick wrote: »

Sh*t, me too.....:p

Vaperus is treading a thin line threatening my Nespresso. He needs regulating as a medical device to keep us all safe :-)

dePeatrick

Ionised wrote: »

Vaperus is treading a thin line threatening my Nespresso. He needs regulating as a medical device to keep us all safe :-)

It' all this "normalisation" of coffee that bothers me, before you know it there will be cafés selling it and people walking around in public swilling take-away coffees......I mean....think of the children.....;)

Cavehill Red

ComputerKing wrote: »

I think that 'vaping' is the same as smoking.

Ionised

dePeatrick wrote: »

It' all this "normalisation" of coffee that bothers me, before you know it there will be cafés selling it and people walking around in public swilling take-away coffees......I mean....think of the children.....;)

Next thing they'll allow the selling of Red Bull to children without regulations!

dePeatrick

Ionised wrote: »

Next thing they'll allow the selling of Red Bull to children without regulations!

And Theobromine....calling it chocolate and selling it as sweets.......:eek:

Orion

ComputerKing - I think you've made your point and this obviously is the wrong forum for you. This is a thread about vaping in public in a vaping forum and you wander in here on a soapbox and troll away. Take it elsewhere. If you post in this thread again you'll lose access to the entire forum.

mewso

One note on this actually. A friend of mine objected to me vaping near him because he didn't want to inhale nicotine. I'm not certain how much nicotine vapour escapes when you exhale so I think his request was fair enough. I always vape discreetly and downwards when in a public place. I don't see any value in lording it about with plumes of vapour.

tommy2bad

mewso wrote: »

One note on this actually. A friend of mine objected to me vaping near him because he didn't want to inhale nicotine. I'm not certain how much nicotine vapour escapes when you exhale so I think his request was fair enough. I always vape discreetly and downwards when in a public place. I don't see any value in lording it about with plumes of vapour.

Yeah the demonization of nicotine has become so ingrained that people actually think they will get addicted from secondhand vapor or smoke.
Who is lording it over anyone though? Apart from the anti smoking brigade who see vaping as removing their power over smokers.
Has the fight over vaping become a proxy war between the control freaks and the live and let live people?

scamalert

If one was-is hard smoker/vaper then there might be urge to vape in awkward places,but i dont see the point,one cant be that desperate to walk around shopping centre with ecig in the mouth.
As for other places,if work environment allows it why not.
Also Dublin airport yes,since its has no smoking area and flights can be long i think its ok in such situations,until you dont make fog all over the place
Otherwise vaping is somewhat enjoyable thing to do,so doing it while on the move ,doesn't give much pleasure.

tommy2bad

scamalert wrote: »

If one was-is hard smoker/vaper then there might be urge to vape in awkward places,but i dont see the point,one cant be that desperate to walk around shopping centre with ecig in the mouth.
As for other places,if work environment allows it why not.
Also Dublin airport yes,since its has no smoking area and flights can be long i think its ok in such situations,until you dont make fog all over the place
Otherwise vaping is somewhat enjoyable thing to do,so doing it while on the move ,doesn't give much pleasure.

This!
Vaping and walking is no good, I will do it if the nic is high enough but tbh you need to sit and relax while vaping. Which is why banning it from coffee houses and restaurants is wrong. Both these places offer and charge extra for the relaxing while supping part. Unless they can provide evidence of harm or inconvience to others then they should embrace vaping, it might get people to come in more often and stay for that second cup.

scamalert

i think most pubs,coffee places wouldn't care much,but reason why most wont allow it,or not want it because,of other customers complaining.Theres still little knowledge in general public about e-cigs,and chances of getting someone who will stare at you like your poisoning whole place with carcinogens is very likely :cool:
As myself im vaping now over 5 months or so,and i can say in time the urge comes down,like before entering shopping centre,taking a drive,or going somewhere id always light up,but now once you vape enough at home,or while driving it takes edge of the cravings,not to think about having a fix while doing everyday stuff let it be hour or two.The rush feeling where you go i need to step outside to get some nic is long gone

was.deevey

Both these places offer and charge extra for the relaxing while supping part. Unless they can provide evidence of harm or inconvience to others then they should embrace vaping, it might get people to come in more often and stay for that second cup.

Perhaps if there is a bigger uptake in Vaping they might provide vaping zones, I personally don't think it should be the social norm to have someone blowing clouds of anything in my direction in an enclosed family setting like a coffee shop.

There are some pretty nasty smelling juices out there that I wouldn't care to get a whiff of if i'm trying to relax and enjoy my morning coffee.

Sure, I think there should be more widespread uptake in vaping from cigarette smokers, but I don't see the reasoning behind promoting it to, or pissing off people who don't have a nicotine addiction, don't like it, or have misconceptions about it.

However, If you can provide evidence that allowing vaping would actually increase their customer base significantly vs pissing people off that don't know any better, you might be onto something.

dePeatrick

Nasty smelling juices ??? Have not come across any yet. Vaping areas in cafés would be a compromise as it was before smoking was banned.

was.deevey

I got some Dekang Mango and Pear juices, they were really bad (O/H banned me from ever vaping it in the house) some Tobacco/Cigar Flavored juices can be real stomach churners as well.

Everyone's sense of taste/smell is different though.

dePeatrick

was.deevey wrote: »

I got some Dekang Mango and Pear juices, they were really bad (O/H banned me from ever vaping it in the house) some Tobacco/Cigar Flavored juices can be real stomach churners as well.

Everyone's sense of taste/smell is different though.

What did she think of the smell of cigarette smoke?

tommy2bad

dePeatrick wrote: »

Nasty smelling juices ??? Have not come across any yet. Vaping areas in cafés would be a compromise as it was before smoking was banned.

Oh their are some, I had a juice that was so bad even I could smell it.

was.deevey;
Sure, I think there should be more widespread uptake in vaping from cigarette smokers, but I don't see the reasoning behind promoting it to, or pissing off people who don't have a nicotine addiction, don't like it, or have misconceptions about it.

ER to encourage people to switch from smoking to vaping their-by gaining a public health benefit. I would have thought that was obvious!
As to pissing people off, so what? Theirs lots of things people don't like, we don't ban things because people don't like them, we ban them because of harm.
On a personal level pissing people off is bad manners but as public policy not pissing people off isn't as important as the benefit from whatever it is that they are so upset about.
Like you I don't think vaping should be promoted but unfortunately the only way people will accept it is through advertising.
Bit of a catch 22. Of course you could adopt the medical view that vaping is a treatment for a chronic disease but that's ridiculousness, it's a lifestyle same as drinking coffee or drinking wine or whatever your having yourself.

was.deevey

Like you I don't think vaping should be promoted but unfortunately the only way people will accept it is through advertising.
Bit of a catch 22. Of course you could adopt the medical view that vaping is a treatment for a chronic disease but that's ridiculousness, it's a lifestyle same as drinking coffee or drinking wine or whatever your having yourself.

And I agree, but also that there's a time and place for each of them there's bars for drinking, coffee houses for coffee, the (majority) of their for eating and there SHOULD be Vape Bars ... for vaping or adopt the policy of providing areas in other establishments once there is a demand

They have a few of them over this side of the globe, bit like vapefest I suppose on miniature where you can swap flavours, try diff mods / atty's etc ...

I simply dont think joe public however is ready to accept vaping everywhere smoking is banned just yet, too many people think its already banned/going to be banned/as bad as cigarettes. And above all simply bad manners.

If someone is completely unaware of what vaping is they most likely won't say anything to YOU, and probably not even to the establishment, but rather will be calling up Joe Duffy about the toxic "smoke" she was forced to inhale when she was visiting starbucks for a doublehotchochomochalattewithsugrarontop. And the witch hunt season begins all over again.

Like I said, unless the venue owner can establish there are clear monetary benefits to allowing vaping its going to be a much safer bet to disallow it per company policy rather than law. Operating similarly to the same way as starbucks recently introduced the open carry ban in their shops in the US where they respectfully asked their open carry clientel to disarm before entering although they will not be confronted if they refuse.

It is a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't, situation as without visibility smokers wont know there is alternatives, but allowing it everywhere paves the way for some serious repercussions down the line as well.

Its a tightrope we're walking and its unclear what way we'll land, but being indifferent to everyone who doesn't smoke/vape is disrespectful and just asking for trouble IMHO

tommy2bad

Yes that's why I think the advertising ban is a bad idea. I suspect it their to keep people ignorant of what vaping is so they can keep playing the 'we don't know whats in them' card.

I think the obvious and simplest solution is to let each venue set it's own rules. With time vaping will find it's own level in society, whether that's as a mass market consumer good like drink or coffey or as a product that only is used by chronic addicts.
This is something that needs to happen naturally not be forced by government legislation. Or for that matter by big corporations selling it like a new iPhone. The problem is striking a balance. Most people can do this themselves without government or corporate social manipulation.

meoklmrk91

Have to say Iim currently having a very interesting experience, on the train when I notice a fellow vaper across from me puffing away, I had never even considered it, curiosity got the better of me and I had to ask him if it was allowed, I think he thought I was an asshole until I pulled mine out. He said he had asked at the station and they said it was cool. I pulled open the window and the two of us are vaping away. This is just class, it's been a long time since I've seen "smoke" on a train.

Video

Ive just read this the first 4 pages of this thread and im actually really surprised by that one poster in particular "COMPUTERKING" .... you are actually trying to rip away at the positive changes people have made in their lives by switching to VAPING (which is in no way smoking).

You should be happy there is an alternative for smokers to take to prolong their lives. Vaping has changed the lives of ex-smokers that were smoking for 40-50 years and couldnt give up.

You clearly have never smoked and that was a personal choice but you obviously dont understand how hard it is to kick that habit. There is no harm in vaping and i think people like you should just kindly **** off and shut up and be happy that more people might live to see the age of 60.

was.deevey

@video ... he's an established troll and I seem to remember an ex-smoker .. anyhoo, we used this and he's stayed away (for now)

dlouth15

I have vaped on trains, buses and in pubs. I don't exhale vapour though. I would certainly never exhale a cloud on a bus where it might look to the driver in the mirror that someone is smoking.

Let non-vapers get used to seeing vaporisers being used without clouds of what may look to them like cigarette smoke then acceptance for non-stealth vaping will gradually increase.

I never ask even though some might think it rude. I would certainly ask if I thought there were some danger to other's health but I've never seen any credible evidence to support that yet.

chrysagon

I saw the other day a major argument in a restaurant,where the customer took puffs from his vape in his top pocket, while sitting at the table, he was asked to leave ,and vape outside, to which he refused, in the end, he left with his partner, very angry.

Vaping in public seems common,i dont smoke ,makes no odds to me, but quite a few non vapours are getting agitated by the sight of folk vaping in bars etc.

JH_raheny

I can accept if a restaurant have a policy already in place and it is not because of some uneducated dick head making a complaint because they don't like the look of it because they associate it with smoking for all the wrong reason

chrysagon wrote: »

I saw the other day a major argument in a restaurant,where the customer took puffs from his vape in his top pocket, while sitting at the table, he was asked to leave ,and vape outside, to which he refused, in the end, he left with his partner, very angry.

Vaping in public seems common,i dont smoke ,makes no odds to me, but quite a few non vapours are getting agitated by the sight of folk vaping in bars etc.

tommy2bad

Look it's not rocket science, vaping like anything else people do can be a nuisance if done in inappropriate places or ways. Simple rule of etiquette, don't make a nuisance of yourself!
After that vape on an don't let the nineties ruin it for us. Nineties includes both the concerned Joe Duffy listener and cloud chasers.

J Mysterio

I wouldnt vape in a restaurant. I dont vape in any indoor public spaces really, maybe the odd stealth vape but only when i can be pretty much inperceptible. Cinema sometimes.

I'm a proponent of vaping but were I a restauranter, I would ask people not to vape in my restaurant. I wouldnt put up a sign either bar maybe a token somewhere.

accaguest

They don't understand it tbf. They see the vapour and just think 'smoke' and you'd spend your life trying to convince them it's not them same. As devices and coils get better it's only going to get worse. The difference between the vape from a starter kit a year ago and now is huge. Maybe the chap in the restaurant was right, don't give in out of politeness and stand your ground. "Just cause you think it's smoke doesn't mean it is, you're going against scientific fact" kind of thing.

A sign is fine...[snip, change of thought]

Hmmm, just wondering about the legality of banning it in places (not that I'm too bothered, but I don't wan't to be classed with smokers. In fairness I wouldn't want everywhere to be like vapefest either ). Can proprietors just do that or would there have to be a law brought in? Can you (legally) get kicked out of a restaurant for say having terrible b.o.? "Look at the sign, no smelly bastards allowed!"

jonski

accaguest wrote:

Hmmm, just wondering about the legality of banning it in places

I think we discussed it here before , the act of sending vapers out to the smoking zone is a lawsuit waiting to happen .

pueblo

It's all about being a considerate vaper in my opinion. Blowing huge clouds around other people in an indoor space is just bad manners. Whether the vapor is toxic or not the thought of breathing in particles of anything that someone else just had in their lungs is not very appealing.

If vapers continue to vape in a considerate manner then that should help with the public perception.

Didihno

pueblo wrote: »

It's all about being a considerate vaper in my opinion. Blowing huge clouds around other people in an indoor space is just bad manners. Whether the vapor is toxic or not the thought of breathing in particles of anything that someone else just had in their lungs is not very appealing.

If vapers continue to vape in a considerate manner then that should help with the public perception.

This. And only this.
Don't be an inconsiderate moron and vape discreetly. Don't vape in restaurants where folks are trying to eat their dinner. Vape smells. Nicely to you maybe, but not to everyone. Even in pubs where we're accepted I still vape with consideration, blowing onto the floor or way up in the air if I have to. Hell, I even check the winds on the street to avoid massive clouds going in peoples faces, its just manners. Manners smokers mostly don't have.

scamalert

been vaping for almost 2 years now or so,and def see a trend pick up where i live,of people vaping.

I seen people besides stores vaping while waiting for someone to finish groceries etc,people on the street,in the cars.And that is completely fine- i don't think its inappropriate or bad to anyone,since majority you can see are people that used to smoke and just converted.

Id vape in the pubs,when most people leave for a smoke id just vape at the table blowing smoke down and minding my own business,and so far besides couple looks its fine.

As for vaping on the bus i think its a bit irresponsible-not harm wise but given if its crowded people might not like your juice smell and if you got good device it might be nuisance to most.


The thing i learned vaping is not smoking-and being vaper for a good while now,i can go and enjoy regular activities without really crawing to have a vape any moment i have,since its more of process of taking your time,thus having couple hits here and there is pointless.

so hour or so doesn't bother me anymore.

now i haven't flown anywhere but id imagine if i was to vape on a plane id try to conceal it as much as possible

Main point being if you do want to vape in crowded place either make sure others dont mind it-as no indian clouds all over the place or just use smoking area/bar its only couple steps in most cases-and keeps everyone happy

parttime

I just ask whoever is in charge,in whatever estblishment I am in. If they say yes,all well and good.
If they say no,I go outside. No problem. The thing is, there is no point arguing if someone says no. You will not change their minds.
I still consider myself a smoker to be honest,I just dont smoke disgusting,manky tobacco

nomeban

If somebody asks me to stop vaping I just blow it right into their face. It's not illegal and it's only 100% water vapour. I also have a few scientific documents saved on my phone which I show to them that vaping is healthy.

Just kidding.

I keep it discrete. I never blow the smoke in plumes into the air or anything. In fact I hate that "cloud chasing" crap. I just take a discrete toke or two if I'm in a restaurant or around Tesco or whatever. Once I was asked to go to the smoking area in a busy pub, the bouncer explained some people might see the vapour and then light up a real one themselves thinking it's grand.

khemas

It depends on the "public" area. In a supermarket, outside, I don't ask. In a smaller area, I will ask and if someone forbid me to vape, I don't vape. Even if they aren't educated people (vape educated of course) I respect this.

RossFixxxed

I think for nearly all of us there's a level of common sense and basic courtesy. Judge where you are, who you are with, and you can always ask staff where relevant.

I'd never argue with staff, they're just doing their job, and the assumption would be that some customers won't want vapour billowing all over their dinner for example. The business sense may well be to just ban it for now, and keep the customers happy 'as is'. It's maybe a little myopic but I can understand it. I think most of us realise that and would be sensible and discrete.

There's fanatics on either side of this, and all we can do is try to be courteous and sensible. Some vape friendly cafés would be a great way to go about things, and a few events in pubs might help. Once people see that it's not some toxic chimney spewing digital poison into their lungs I'm sure things will calm down. And they'll realize we spend 85% of the time twiddling tissue paper, waffling about coils and messing with little bottles!

jonski

RossFixxxed wrote: »

I think for nearly all of us there's a level of common sense and basic courtesy. Judge where you are, who you are with, and you can always ask staff where relevant.

Agreed , although there wasn't much common sense shown by the lecturer that puffed away on his e-cig in my daughters class in uni today . ( that's just being a dick )

RossFixxxed wrote: »

Some vape friendly cafés would be a great way to go about things, and a few events in pubs might help.

I'd say that's coming , already one of the shops in Dublin is a cafe aswell iirc and I know that one in Limerick is looking into it , so you might get combination shops .

RossFixxxed wrote: »

And they'll realize we spend 85% of the time twiddling tissue paper, waffling about coils and messing with little bottles!

Ain't that the truth .

khemas

The point is : we need vaping bars ! I mean regular bars with nice juices selection, where you could order some drinks (cause it's bar purpose I presume) AND some juices (and who knows, some builds ?)

There is certainly a market for this kind of business. I'm not from Ireland (France) but in California, there is tons of vaping bars. I'm a little bit shocked that Guiness country don't propose things like that !

Gez69

Where are all the vaperers anyway, that's what I'd like to know. I go to my local pub hoping there will be a few, but so far no luck. I've asked in there if they allow it and they said yeah but I feel way too self-conscious being the only one doing it, so I go out into the smoking area (and still feel a bit self-concious since I'm the only one not smoking real cigarettes!)

dball

Gez69 wrote: »

Where are all the vaperers anyway, that's what I'd like to know. I go to my local pub hoping there will be a few, but so far no luck. I've asked in there if they allow it and they said yeah but I feel way too self-conscious being the only one doing it, so I go out into the smoking area (and still feel a bit self-concious since I'm the only one not smoking real cigarettes!)

the force is weak with you - be strong and the force will grow

Gez69

dball wrote: »

the force is weak with you - be strong and the force will grow

Heh. Right, well I'll bear that in my mind. Cheers!

macker33

fvck em all, vape where you want, you cant be expected to take care of everybody elses feelings.
Dont these people realise vapers have feelings too?

Boogietime

macker33 wrote: »

fvck em all, vape where you want, you cant be expected to take care of everybody elses feelings.
Dont these people realise vapers have feelings too?

Yesss!!! Finally someone that has the balls to admit he/she is selfish and doesn't accept that the harm is not from the actual vapour but from tarnishing a community who is already struggling to keep vaping as clean from heavy taxes as possible. Sure why should WE care about those eejits who keep fighting for better prices or talking to senators to stop their blatant lies? Fvck'em! And fvck you too if you don't agree with me!

"Fvck".... I like this workaround for a cuss... It's so NY, so... genuine!

And while we're at it: WHY does it have to be always people off the bus then people on??? When I get on, I would like it the other way! Of course when I get off the bus the initial rule must be applied. Don't they realize I have my feelings, even if they're bunched up in a knot?
Whoever thinks else can go cram it!