EIRGRID'S environmental destruction of Co Waterford.

comeraghs

EIRGRID info day today Monday Sept 30th in The Granville Hotel until 8pm. Please try & get in there & tell them that the only route they will get away with is Underground. NO PYLONS!

It's vital that as many people as possible get down & tell Eirgrid that they need to relook at their plans to use pylons & that underground is the only option that is acceptable.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Eirgrid-Pylons-Go-Underground/219856181511250?ref=hl

comeraghs

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/travel/weekendbreak/going-wild-in-wondrous-west-waterford-hills-242876.html


Isn't this worth saving?

wellboytoo

Looked at the FB page I can't see a map of where they are running the line exactly? is there a route shown other than the general all Ireland map?

comeraghs

https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode&q=https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fms%3Fmsid%3D207891274022173434914.0004e518df8048b4e31bd%26authuser%3D0%26msa%3D0%26vps%3D2%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF8%26output%3Dkml&aq&sll=52.621024%2C-7.342676&sspn=1.544039%2C3.911133&ie=UTF8&ll=52.619725%2C-7.34436&spn=1.246723%2C1.826525&t=m

wellboytoo

comeraghs wrote: »

https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode&q=https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fms%3Fmsid%3D207891274022173434914.0004e518df8048b4e31bd%26authuser%3D0%26msa%3D0%26vps%3D2%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF8%26output%3Dkml&aq&sll=52.621024%2C-7.342676&sspn=1.544039%2C3.911133&ie=UTF8&ll=52.619725%2C-7.34436&spn=1.246723%2C1.826525&t=m

No joy just hows a google map nothing marked.

comeraghs

https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=embed&hl=en&geocode&q=https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2Fmaps%2Fms%3Fmsid%3D207891274022173434914.0004e518df8048b4e31bd%26authuser%3D0%26msa%3D0%26vps%3D2%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF8%26output%3Dkml&aq&sll=52.621024%2C-7.342676&sspn=1.544039%2C3.911133&ie=UTF8&ll=52.619725%2C-7.34436&spn=1.246723%2C1.826525&t=m

comeraghs

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=207891274022173434914.0004e518df8048b4e31bd&authuser=0&msa=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&output=kml


Any better? It's on the one I'm pasting.

comeraghs

Or try this page.

https://www.facebook.com/co.waterfordnopylons

Poor Uncle Tom

comeraghs wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/travel/weekendbreak/going-wild-in-wondrous-west-waterford-hills-242876.html


Isn't this worth saving?

So Eirgrid propose to get rid of Coumshingaun?

comeraghs

They plan on ruining the area around it with 150 foot tall pylons & threaten the tourism potential of The Comeraghs.

Poor Uncle Tom

comeraghs wrote: »

They plan on ruining the area around it with 150 foot tall pylons & threaten the tourism potential of The Comeraghs.

The proposed route hasn't been chosen yet. By the way I'm not in favour of this at all, I'm just pointing out that you can loose more support than you gain by throwing out scare statements that have very little foundation.

garv123

comeraghs wrote: »

They plan on ruining the area around it with 150 foot tall pylons & threaten the tourism potential of The Comeraghs.

150 foot?

taytobreath

Where are they erecting the pylons in relation to Coumshingaun. Will you see them from the lake and the road where one can view the lake from?

comeraghs

Yes. 150 feet. 45 meters


http://www.eirgridprojects.com/

comeraghs

http://www.eirgridprojects.com/projects/gridlink/overview/

Poor Uncle Tom

From the maps on that link the closest route to Coumshingaun is the same distance below the Lemybrien/Carrick road as the lake is above it.

However, if that route is chosen I will be opposing it. I don't believe there is a need for this particular network as the option of upgrading the existing system is not being explored which highlights a much different purpose for this proposed network.

I saw it advertised that there's a public meeting about this at the community hall in Kilrossanty at 8.30pm tonight, (in an hour, I might make the end of the meeting)

DeiseforLiam

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

From the maps on that link the closest route to Coumshingaun is the same distance below the Lemybrien/Carrick road as the lake is above it.

However, if that route is chosen I will be opposing it. I don't believe there is a need for this particular network as the option of upgrading the existing system is not being explored which highlights a much different purpose for this proposed network.

I saw it advertised that there's a public meeting about this at the community hall in Kilrossanty at 8.30pm tonight, (in an hour, I might make the end of the meeting)

Your time would be better spent opposing that route now rather than after it is chosen. Unlikely that any opposition by you would carry much weight if you didn't bother to object before a decision was made.

Poor Uncle Tom

MetalMan9 wrote: »

Your time would be better spent opposing that route now rather than after it is chosen.

Very silly statement given that there is no format to object to any route which hasn't been chosen, apart from rent-a-mob signatures which are generally treated with utter contempt.

If the stakeholders put their cards on the table and make an application for planning permission for a specific route or prepare and submit an EIS for a chosen route, then there are established formats for making your opposition known and making your voice heard and count.

Until then you are only shouting at the wind, literally.

DeiseforLiam

Yes, rent-a-mob signatures are pretty meaningless but a reasoned submission, outlining why a particular corridor (or section thereof) is unsuitable, will be taken into account. Of course, if you can't be bothered, that's another thing, just don't say there's no way to make a submission now.

Poor Uncle Tom

MetalMan9 wrote: »

Yes, rent-a-mob signatures are pretty meaningless but a reasoned submission, outlining why a particular corridor (or section thereof) is unsuitable, will be taken into account. Of course, if you can't be bothered, that's another thing, just don't say there's no way to make a submission now.

Really?

Maybe I'm just a cynic but I choose to believe that 'a corporate business interest' will only take account of any independent submission when it is directed to do so by the bodies empowered to direct them, whether that is the relevant Local Authority, An Bord Pleanala, or the Courts System. However approaching the front runners of a multinational enterprise with a 'please sir...' attitude approaches lunacy in my opinion, expecting that approach to obtain the desired results is nothing short of deluded.

If and when I choose to make my opinions, submissions, observations or objections known, I will do so at the appropriate time and place as to get the maximum desired outcome and to affect as much of a change as I possibly can hope to get.

I hope you understand that there is a strategy to this process and that the game is already afoot in the eyes of your opponent.

DeiseforLiam

Go with the adversarial (they're all agin me) approach then. I've always found that it is better to engage with the process. Good luck.

Poor Uncle Tom

MetalMan9 wrote: »

Go with the adversarial (they're all agin me) approach then. I've always found that it is better to engage with the process. Good luck.

Arming your opponent with all of your information before they formally structure their proposal is like playing your hand of cards after showing your opponent what you are holding and still expecting a fair or favourable outcome.

I do believe that a measured response to the 'public information meetings' is warranted I just don't believe there will be any significant alterations to this companies proposals, because we don't know their full proposals.

And, good luck to you on your chosen route of opposition, just to say that eventhough we may not agree with one another we both oppose the same 'corporate enterprise'.....;)

DeiseforLiam

I was just making an observation based on personal experience. I'm not objecting to it.

Poor Uncle Tom

MetalMan9 wrote: »

I was just making an observation based on personal experience. I'm not objecting to it.

:D:D

The first time I've seen the expression "an empty vessel makes most noise" demonstrated so well.....:D

DeiseforLiam

Sorry, I thought it was a discussion forum. Didn't realise we all had to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

loremolis

MetalMan9 wrote: »

Yes, rent-a-mob signatures are pretty meaningless but a reasoned submission, outlining why a particular corridor (or section thereof) is unsuitable, will be taken into account. Of course, if you can't be bothered, that's another thing, just don't say there's no way to make a submission now.

Eirgrid's analysis of submissions is to find the corridor of least resistance.

While the corridor may well be decided upon well before the 'options' are made Eirgrid must give the public the perception that there is participation and by making submissions the perception is that they have been considered.

Eirgrid are famous for refusing to answer questions they don't like.

comeraghs

SEND AN EMAIL TO gridline@eirgrid.com or send this to them if you are opposed to this destruction.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=211668622337831&set=a.210348085803218.1073741828.210190362485657&type=1&theater

wellboytoo

If ever a thread warranted the use of emoticons this must be it!

freedominacup

Eirgrid are following the time honoured tradition of infrastructure planning in this country with this one. Show 3-4 options let all of the dissenting voices be heard, allow local politicians be heard, listen to thunder and let lightening pass and simply go with the route most favoured by the company/institution/state body. This gives local politicians the chance to tell 75% of those who believed they were going to be affected about the great job they did protecting the voters area from destruction. The 25% affected are going to be so pi$$ed off by what has happened that they are going to go with the protest candidate anyway come next election so aren't worth worrying over.

mr jack

comeraghs wrote: »

if you are opposed to this destruction

It's not even going close to the Comeraghs so what are you talking about? I just looked at the maps there now and it actively goes around them. Can't please some people I suppose

comeraghs

I'm not sure what map & plans you are looking at but these pylons cut right through the Comeraghs particularly the area around Mahon Falls & threaten to destroy it as a tourist attraction.

The people of the area are strongly opposed to these completely unnecessary pylons & aren't going to sit back and let a big state company bully them.

There's no point complaining about these things after they've been built, The time to say NO is now.