I pay taxes for that

Celly Smunt

fl4pj4ck wrote: »

because it's here where you live and access all the services. ah no, that's dumb right?

Well i don't full time reside here,i pay my tax here as i'm "employed in Ireland" but that could be switched elsewhere fairly quickly.As is the same with a lot of MNC employees who have a good relationship with the accountant.

Layinghen

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

*so old you have to wipe the dust off*

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

jester77

Damn, taxes are low in Ireland. For the tax I pay here I would have an extra 7k in my pocket in Ireland.

Dartz

Defence forces provide Cash-in-Transit protection, Hostage rescue, anti-terror, explosives disposal, and disaster relief. Among other duties.

An arguably, the effective rate of tax is much higher. I doubt this includes VAT, or any of the other duties, taxes and levies imposed - it's just straight income tax.

Remember. 23% of the price of everything you pay for goes to he government.

For Forks Sake

I'm going to have to start committing a lot more crime to justify the amount the Gardai are getting off me.

dxhound2005

Dartz wrote: »

Defence forces provide Cash-in-Transit protection, Hostage rescue, anti-terror, explosives disposal, and disaster relief. Among other duties.

An arguably, the effective rate of tax is much higher. I doubt this includes VAT, or any of the other duties, taxes and levies imposed - it's just straight income tax.

Remember. 23% of the price of everything you pay for goes to he government.

Not everything.

0% (Zero) VAT rating includes all exports, tea, coffee, milk, bread, books, children’s clothes and shoes, oral medicine for humans and animals, vegetable seeds and fruit trees, fertilisers, large animal feed, disability aids such as wheelchairs, crutches and hearing aids.

the groutch

the fact the more is sent straight out of the country via foreign aid than is spent on jobs and enterprise development shows just how messed up the governements priorities really are.

jester77

jester77 wrote: »

Damn, taxes are low in Ireland. For the tax I pay here I would have an extra 7k in my pocket in Ireland.

Think you get better value for it there though

My name is URL

the groutch wrote: »

the fact the more is sent straight out of the country via foreign aid than is spent on jobs and enterprise development shows just how messed up the governements priorities really are.

Assuming it's accurate, that is indeed absolutely insane.

I'm all for developed countries helping others, but it's just bizarre that more is spent there than on everything under the 'Economic Support' heading.

Chips Lovell

Layinghen wrote: »

What do we need a secret service for?

It's mostly used to monitor Provo types.

My name is URL

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

It's mostly used to monitor Provo types.

What's that based on? I presume you're talking about G2?

Their main purpose is to liaise with other intelligence agencies and provide operational intel to Irish troops deployed abroad, as well as ensuring that information is shared with the relevant depts. here to protect national interests.

Chips Lovell

My name is URL wrote: »

What's that based on? I presume you're talking about G2?

Yes, G2

My name is URL

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Yes, G2

Well, you need to get with the times if you seriously think that they're mainly there to monitor provos

I wonder how many of them are currently in Jonesboro & Ravensdale monitoring a handful of ageing, fat fuel launderers! Probably not as many as are in Golan Heights atm, providing intelligence to the Irish troops currently deployed there and to the Dept. of Defence back home.

jackal

I am on a good wage ~60k: Here is what I contribute to the dole.

€1,823.19
Working Age Income Supports
€350.71
Working Age Employment Supports

To support one person for the basic dole payment of €188 per week takes about 5 of me paying taxes.

Kind of makes me sick.

Chips Lovell

My name is URL wrote: »

Well, you need to get with the times if you seriously think that they're mainly there to monitor provos

I'm fairly confident about the source of my information. I'm not saying that's the only thing they do, but subversives is regarded as the biggest job.

My name is URL

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

I'm fairly confident about the source of my information. I'm not saying that's the only thing they do, but subversives is regarded as the biggest job.

Special Branch C3 section (renamed recently enough afaik) play a much bigger role there. I'm not saying that G2 don't deal with domestic terrorism, but it's by no means their main area of focus. At least not any more.

MadYaker

I can't fathom why our government spend so much on foreign aid when our own country is in the shítter financially. Ok maybe we shouldn't reduce it to zero but it should be cut massively. We have to look after our own before worrying about people on other continents.

blackwhite

Dartz wrote: »

An arguably, the effective rate of tax is much higher. I doubt this includes VAT, or any of the other duties, taxes and levies imposed - it's just straight income tax.

Did a quick calculation on it.

It's based on Income Tax, USC and PRSI.

It assumes that the person is in receipt of only the single person's tax credit of €1,650 p.a. and the PAYE tax credit of €1,650 p.a.

It also assumes that the person receives zero BIK, and does not make any pension contributions.

Doc Ruby

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Pensions being almost as big as the education budget for the entire primary and secondary level education is actually laughable.

I was listening to the radio there today, apparently a female child born this year will have a 50-50 chance of reaching 100 years old. So obviously the government raided the National Pension Fund to make sure the banks got their profits.

Zebra3

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

It's mostly used to monitor Provo types.

They'd be better off monitoring banksters.

SCOOP 64

dxhound2005 wrote: »

How long had you to wait to qualify for the dole? Can you intentionally make yourself unemployed and get dole straight away? If you can the country is indeed a joke.

Don't raise to it.

BattleCorp

I'm over 40 now but by the time I make it to 80, I still won't have reached pension age.

They will have to keep on raising the pension age so that people die within 5 or 10 years from retirement.

If people live to 100, then retirement age will be around 90.

Any other way and it isn't sustainable.

Zebra3

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm over 40 now but by the time I make it to 80, I still won't have reached pension age.

They will have to keep on raising the pension age so that people die within 5 or 10 years from retirement.

If people live to 100, then retirement age will be around 90.

Any other way and it isn't sustainable.

Become a politician.

Draw a six figure pension in your early 50s.

UCDVet

jackal wrote: »

I am on a good wage ~60k: Here is what I contribute to the dole.

€1,823.19
Working Age Income Supports
€350.71
Working Age Employment Supports

To support one person for the basic dole payment of €188 per week takes about 5 of me paying taxes.

Kind of makes me sick.

@ 60k....
2,666 - To repay debts that went to others
188 - To help people in other countries
2,093 - To help old people
2,118 - For the dole
300 - To support media nobody actually cares about
487 - To fund other adult's education
151 - For state pensions....

That's nearly 8k in taxes that shouldn't be, IMHO.

My name is URL

UCDVet wrote: »

@ 60k....
2,666 - To repay debts that went to others
188 - To help people in other countries
2,093 - To help old people
2,118 - For the dole
300 - To support media nobody actually cares about
487 - To fund other adult's education
151 - For state pensions....

That's nearly 8k in taxes that shouldn't be, IMHO.

If everyone's honest opinion was taken into account there'd be no taxes whatsoever.. and we'd be about as developed as Somalia

Uriel.

This whole thing and the usual... tax the rich crap always makes me think of Sam Seaborn in the West Wing:

I paid twenty-seven times the national average in income tax. I paid my fair share, and the fair share of twenty-six other people. And I'm happy to because that's the only way it's gonna work, and it's in my best interest that everybody be able to go to schools and drive on roads, but I don't get twenty-seven votes on Election Day. The fire department doesn't come to my house twenty-seven times faster and the water doesn't come out of my faucet twenty-seven times hotter.

The top one percent of wage earners in this country pay for twenty-two percent of this country. Let's not call them names while they're doing it, is all I'm saying

mickydoomsux

Uriel. wrote: »

This whole thing and the usual... tax the rich crap always makes me think of Sam Seaborn in the West Wing:

That's why i despise all of the "herp derp **** da 1%ers" crowd. The 1% pay a silly amount of tax. Remove them and we've in a very bad state.

srsly78

UCDVet wrote: »

@ 60k....
2,666 - To repay debts that went to others

Did you miss the note saying 23% of this debt was for bank bailouts? So you apparently pay e647 or so because of "de bankers".

Are you 77% less mad now ?

Mark Twain

That website is wonderful. A real visual and easy-to-digest look at where our individual tax burden goes. I presume the figures come from the Comptroller and Auditor General office?

It's beginning to look like our 10 years of Croke Park agreements and tax writeoffs for landlords is really going to have an impact on how our children live their lives. The burden of their future is based on the decisions of our reality.

Short term populism is an awful way to run a country.

Geuze

Dartz wrote: »

An arguably, the effective rate of tax is much higher. I doubt this includes VAT, or any of the other duties, taxes and levies imposed - it's just straight income tax.

Remember. 23% of the price of everything you pay for goes to he government.

Incorrect.

Many, many goods are free of VAT.

Many services are 13.5% VAT.

Geuze

Bank bailout cost was 64bn approx, of which we borrowed 40-45bn approx.

The balance was mostly found from selling NPRF assets.

Current gross public debt in 2013 = 207bn.

I would argue that the cost of the bank bailout is 31% of our gross public debt.

Geuze

Bank bailout cost was 64bn approx, of which we borrowed 40-45bn approx.

The balance was mostly found from selling NPRF assets.

Current gross public debt in 2013 = 207bn.

I would argue that the cost of the bank bailout is 31% of our gross public debt.

jackal

UCDVet wrote: »

@ 60k....
2,666 - To repay debts that went to others
188 - To help people in other countries
2,093 - To help old people
2,118 - For the dole
300 - To support media nobody actually cares about
487 - To fund other adult's education
151 - For state pensions....

That's nearly 8k in taxes that shouldn't be, IMHO.

Don't mind my taxes funding most of the above. Old people, adult education, rte (I watch a good bit of sport/current affairs), debt etc. Just saying that it takes a lot of working people to support those out of work.

Cody Pomeray

Geuze wrote: »

Bank bailout cost was 64bn approx, of which we borrowed 40-45bn approx.

The balance was mostly found from selling NPRF assets.

Current gross public debt in 2013 = 207bn.

I would argue that the cost of the bank bailout is 31% of our gross public debt.

what value do you put on the €400 billion bank guarantee? €0?

Geuze

Is the Bank Guarantee over now?

That means it wasn't called on?

We did earn insurance premium income from the covered banks.

The banking recapitalisation cost was 64bn approx, although this did give us ownership of several banks.

Geuze

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

what value do you put on the €400 billion bank guarantee? €0?

I don't really understand this question.

A guarantee is a potential liability.........why would it have a value...........???

Cody Pomeray

Geuze wrote: »

Is the Bank Guarantee over now?

That means it wasn't called on?

Not a straight answer then?

What value do you put on a contingent guarantee of €400 billion of liabilities? Is it €0.00?

The bank guarantee created a legal impediment to managing the Irish banks' liabilities in a businesslike manner; it guaranteed liabilities greater than out national GDP.

And no, the guarantee isn't over. It simply isn't taking on new liabilities.

carlmango11

seanie_c wrote: »

Maybe I'll just stay here in Ireland on the dole for another 20 years like a lot of other people I know.

Why work hard and struggle to pay a mortgage on a house when you can get a free one off the government?

There's no point working in Ireland, unless you're working for the government of course which I do intend on pursuing at some point.

Tell yourself whatever you need to to justify your disgusting laziness.

If that fails, I'll move to a country where there are sensible policies in place for a robust society and economy.

Please, hurry up and do this. And by the way, Ireland has the most progressive tax system in the EU. Better look further afield in your search for a new, paradise home.

srsly78

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Not a straight answer then?

What value do you put on a contingent guarantee of €400 billion of liabilities? Is it €0.00?

The bank guarantee created a legal impediment to managing the Irish banks' liabilities in a businesslike manner; it guaranteed liabilities greater than out national GDP.

And no, the guarantee isn't over. It simply isn't taking on new liabilities.

They are supposed to have "crystallised" the bad debts now, hence NAMA etc etc. If things don't pick up we may need to shovel more money into the hole tho.

Stheno

Over 1/3 of my tax goes to social programmes!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

jackal wrote: »

I am on a good wage ~60k: Here is what I contribute to the dole.

€1,823.19
Working Age Income Supports
€350.71
Working Age Employment Supports

To support one person for the basic dole payment of €188 per week takes about 5 of me paying taxes.

Kind of makes me sick.

Why does it make you sick?

KyussBishop

Layinghen wrote: »

What do we need a secret service for?

Judging by other countries, we need them to spy on us (though since the UK and US already do this for us, it likely doesn't cost us that much extra).

oppenheimer1

shruikan2553 wrote: »

67,131 euro in taxes if you earn 150k. It's amazing that the more you earn the less likely you are to use these services and yet you pay even more.

Its called social solidarity. Or wealth redistribution.

oppenheimer1

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Is there any source for the data used or any evidence at all that is accurate and not biased?

One would assume its a pro rata distribution of tax based on the national accounts published by the dept of finance under those headings.

Cody Pomeray

shruikan2553 wrote: »

67,131 euro in taxes if you earn 150k. It's amazing that the more you earn the less likely you are to use these services and yet you pay even more.

Nonsense. One of the great myths of our time is that the poor benefit from the capitalist state more than the rich. The rich rely on the governments to provide a major share of physical and economic infrastructure: they depend on the Government to implement law and order, to protect private property from mobs who would apprehend it, to educate their workforce, and to establish the landscape in which their businesses can profit, and where the poor are forced into labour to generate that profit.

We live in a world where man has no entitlement to the resources his planet can provide. The unabashed object of that deprivation is a philosophy which seeks to enrich the rich by making them the ultimate beneficiaries of the modern capitalist state.

Uriel.

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Nonsense. One of the great myths of our time is that the poor benefit from the capitalist state more than the rich. The rich rely on the governments to provide a major share of physical and economic infrastructure: they depend on the Government to implement law and order, to protect private property from mobs who would apprehend it, to educate their workforce, and to establish the landscape in which their businesses can profit, and where the poor are forced into labour to generate that profit.

We live in a world where man has no entitlement to the resources his planet can provide. The unabashed object of that deprivation is a philosophy which seeks to enrich the rich by making them the ultimate beneficiaries of the modern capitalist state.

Were you holding a red flag while typing that bull**** analysis?

Geuze

Stheno wrote: »

Over 1/3 of my tax goes to social programmes!

That's fairly typical across countries, I'd say, and not unusual.

Geuze

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Not a straight answer then?

What value do you put on a contingent guarantee of €400 billion of liabilities? Is it €0.00?

The bank guarantee created a legal impediment to managing the Irish banks' liabilities in a businesslike manner; it guaranteed liabilities greater than out national GDP.

And no, the guarantee isn't over. It simply isn't taking on new liabilities.

I agree that private liabilities of private banks should not have been guaranteed.

I am sickened that bank liabilities weren't hit for more, as bank asset values fell.

http://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/eligible-liabilities-guarantee-scheme/

Mark Twain

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Its called social solidarity. Or wealth redistribution.

Beautiful buzzwords.

oppenheimer1

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Its called social solidarity. Or wealth redistribution.

What sanitised ways of saying stealing

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

The rich rely on the governments

The problem there is the govts, not the rich