Donegal GAA Discussion Thread

Bonniedog

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

The thing is Nidge, this was voted on last year - that was the time to object. This is very different to the Kildare situation as there the rules clearly stated home advantage was due to Kildare. Here the rules clearly state that the first round is Croke Park and then each team has one home and one away in the further rounds.
Any delegate voting on this who did not see that this meant Dublin would have 2 home games would need to really be asked what they thought they were voting on!

As Dub, I am fully aware that we have advantage having two games in CP. That does need to be changed, but as you say, that is for Congress to decide.

Have been at games all over the country and Clones in the sun against yourselves would be great day. Unlikely to happen this year.

Apart from that, the new structure is working out well. Getting very interesting now, but still fancy ourselves, yourselves, Kerry and Galway to reach the semis, as they would if it had been straight knock out. Tyrone and maybe Monaghan only likely ones to upset that.

Dublin/Donegal final!

raiders11

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Roscommon in the Hyde will be very tough as will that shower in Ballybofey.

I’ve written off the Dublin game already. I’d have been fairly confient or a semi final and even a final appearance but without McBrearty I just think we are too short up front - even with the spread of scorers we now have he is so important to the whole thing. It’d be on a par with losing Karl in 2012 I think.

Hoping its Armagh and not the Rossies.

Would fancy beating Armagh away and beating Tyrone well at home..

I would be thinking Tyrone should be a tired team by the time they play us, so many weeks on the road and hopefully 2 bruising encounters v Armagh(seem hate each other) and the Dubs in Omagh.

North of 32

I would have said that Donegal are nailed on for 2nd place, but there's 2 questions which concern me:

• How will the team play without McBrearty?
• How motivated will they be after winning Ulster?

If your aspiration is to make an all Ireland final then you need to believe that you're capable of getting there. Without motivation there is no belief which is what concerns me.

Redsoxfan

Nidgeweasel wrote:

It’d be on a par with losing Karl in 2012 I think.

We did well without him....

Minister Boyce

Redsoxfan wrote: »

We did well without him....

Therein lies an important fact.

In 2012, with the exception of M Murphy missing the Prelim Round Game v Cavan after a knee operation (he missed the final Leage Relegation match v Armagh in Ballybofey also), we had a full, fit and healthy squad for the rest of that year. This is where McBrearty's injury is such a hugh blow.

Nidgeweasel

7pm in Dublin.

How is that fair? Won’t be home till 1/2 am with wains.

ArnoldJRimmer

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

7pm in Dublin.

How is that fair? Won’t be home till 1/2 am with wains.

Where did you see/ hear this confirmed?

Nidgeweasel

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Where did you see/ hear this confirmed?

Democrat / Donegal Sports Hub.

doc_17

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

7pm in Dublin.

How is that fair? Won’t be home till 1/2 am with wains.

Eh, it’s not supposed to be fair!! Didn’t you get the memo?

Bonniedog

Venue was fixed, but to give Donegal people an 8 hour round trip for 7 throw in is taking the p1ss.

Once again, nothing to do with us Jackeens!

charlie14

Bonniedog wrote: »

Venue was fixed, but to give Donegal people an 8 hour round trip for 7 throw in is taking the p1ss.

Once again, nothing to do with us Jackeens!

I`m not blaming the Jackeens, but I doubt the decision to put it on at 7.00PM was to facilitate the Donegal supporters watching a soccer match at home before traveling, unless commercial interests have completely mangled the brains of the powers that be not just where supporters are concerned, but geography as well.



Then again I could be wrong.

Perhaps it`s nothing to do with commerce and simply a fcuk you to Donegal for daring to question Dublin having two of their three Super 8 games at home.
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Bonniedog

There is not one Dub on the committee that makes these decisions.

I agree that it is increasingly commercially driven. That is something that needs county conventions/Congress delegates to address.

Meanwhile, back to our "financially doped" minor fottballers fighting for their lives!

charlie14

Bonniedog wrote: »

There is not one Dub on the committee that makes these decisions.

I agree that it is increasingly commercially driven. That is something that needs county conventions/Congress delegates to address.

Meanwhile, back to our "financially doped" minor fottballers fighting for their lives!

If I gave the impression it was anything to do with the Dubs at any level on the two games in Croke Park or the the fixing of the time for this game, my apologies.
As far as I am concerned the Dubs have had nothing to do with either.
The blame lies squarely with the head honchos in headquarters based on commercialism or a middle finger to Donegal for raising the two games issue.

doc_17

Bonniedog wrote: »

There is not one Dub on the committee that makes these decisions.

I agree that it is increasingly commercially driven. That is something that needs county conventions/Congress delegates to address.

Meanwhile, back to our "financially doped" minor fottballers fighting for their lives!

County boards are restricted in what they can do.
See Sky deal for evidence.

Anyway, if there was a Dublin/Donegal person etc on the committee that makes the fixtures they would have to recuse themselves for decisions involving their own team.

downthemiddle

We have objected to playing Dublin in Croke Park.

Bonniedog

downthemiddle wrote: »

We have objected to playing Dublin in Croke Park.

Time to object was when this structure was agreed months ago, including by Donegal.

Redsoxfan

downthemiddle wrote:

We have objected to playing Dublin in Croke Park.

No, we are seeking a meeting to seek clarification. Not quite the same thing.

Redsoxfan

Minister Boyce wrote:

Therein lies an important fact.

Ha, not quite. His loss during the 2011 semi final was a blow for sure. He was Footballer of the Year in 2012!

Minister Boyce wrote:

In 2012, with the exception of M Murphy missing the Prelim Round Game v Cavan after a knee operation (he missed the final Leage Relegation match v Armagh in Ballybofey also), we had a full, fit and healthy squad for the rest of that year. This is where McBrearty's injury is such a hugh blow.

Absolutely, outside of Murphy and probably Eoin Ban and Ryan, he is our most important player. But, we probably have similar players to Eoin Ban and Ryan that could do a job. Don't think we have anyone in Paddy's class.

doc_17

Well what a waste of f*****g time that was.

charlie14

doc_17 wrote: »

Well what a waste of f*****g time that was.

For this year, but I can see it being a major issue come congress regarding next years Super 8`s and it would not surprise me if Dublin`s use of Croke Park for other games such as the league didn`t feature as well.


Like the situation with Newbridge, the smoke is now out of the bottle.

Bonniedog

There will be Dublin clubs proposing that ALL of our home games, league and championship, be in Parnell.

Dublin never gave a fart where they played anyone. Nothing to do with us. Donegal people might do well to ask the people from your own county who voted in favour of opening double headers in CP why they suddenly thought it was a great injustice!

Speaking out of both sides of their mouths. Hate that. Bad sign of a chap....

doc_17

Bonniedog wrote: »

There will be Dublin clubs proposing that ALL of our home games, league and championship, be in Parnell.

Dublin never gave a fart where they played anyone. Nothing to do with us. Donegal people might do well to ask the people from your own county who voted in favour of opening double headers in CP why they suddenly thought it was a great injustice!

Speaking out of both sides of their mouths. Hate that. Bad sign of a chap....

Now that you mention people speaking out of both sides their mouths....”Dublin don’t mind where they play, happy to play anywhere blah blah blah”

They say that as they know there’s no chance they’ll be asked to play anywhere else. But now you’re slating Donegal for standing up for themselves? You gave out to them for saying nothing at congress and now you’re whinging again. It wasn’t possibly to vote on particular aspects of the Super 8s and cherry pick them. It was accept it or reject it.

Dublin sat in silence for fear they’d have to face the same level playing field as others. You have no idea how Dublin would have gone up in everyone’s estimation if they had done the right thing.

But they didn’t. And they’ll say “ah Shur we had nothing to do with it - it’s not our fault”

The dice continue to be loaded in favour of Dublin.

Bonniedog

doc_17 wrote: »

Now that you mention people speaking out of both sides their mouths....”Dublin don’t mind where they play, happy to play anywhere blah blah blah”

They say that as they know there’s no chance they’ll be asked to play anywhere else. But now you’re slating Donegal for standing up for themselves? You gave out to them for saying nothing at congress and now you’re whinging again. It wasn’t possibly to vote on particular aspects of the Super 8s and cherry pick them. It was accept it or reject it.

Dublin sat in silence for fear they’d have to face the same level playing field as others. You have no idea how Dublin would have gone up in everyone’s estimation if they had done the right thing.

But they didn’t. And they’ll say “ah Shur we had nothing to do with it - it’s not our fault”

The dice continue to be loaded in favour of Dublin.

I am certainly not "slating" Donegal. Perfectly within their rights to propose that there be no Croke Park fixture. Problem is you voted for it. Bit late in the day to be changing your mind.

I have also said that fixing a Donegal game for 7pm on a Saturday evening is taking the p1ss.

Bring it to congress. We don't care where we play. Am mainly hurling and we mostly get away games in all grades. Gilroy has brought our home league and championship back to Parnell, and I would hope that footballers follow suit.

We all be happy then!

doc_17

Bonniedog wrote: »

I am certainly not "slating" Donegal. Perfectly within their rights to propose that there be no Croke Park fixture. Problem is you voted for it. Bit late in the day to be changing your mind.

I have also said that fixing a Donegal game for 7pm on a Saturday evening is taking the p1ss.

Bring it to congress. We don't care where we play. Am mainly hurling and we mostly get away games in all grades. Gilroy has brought our home league and championship back to Parnell, and I would hope that footballers follow suit.

We all be happy then!

Yes, you were indeed slating Donegal. They were not allowed to alter the proposal at congress. It was take the Super 8s or leave them.

Again “We don’t care where we play” when it’s clearly evident they do. Play your league games in Parnell Park then. Play us in Clones. You’ll most likely still beat us but wouldn’t it back up all that empty rhetoric about “we’ll play anywhere”.

And as you’re mostly a hurling man....

“The Dublin hurling camp is “totally disgusted” at being forced to play Tipperary in their own backyard this Saturday, writes Eoghan Cormican”

- that was last year.

Bonniedog

The Croke park games were agreed by all. Same people from Donegal making an issue of it now voted for it.

The Thurles issue was a neutral venue changed to home game for Tipp. Which sort of undermines whole idea that Dublin get favourable treatment.

I've already acknowledged that having the Donegal game in CP is advantage to Dublin. Bring it to congress, get that part of 8s draw changed.

Biggest disadvantage to Donegal is not where the game is being played but not having your Dub player McBrearty :-)

doc_17

Bonniedog wrote: »

The Croke park games were agreed by all. Same people from Donegal making an issue of it now voted for it.

The Thurles issue was a neutral venue changed to home game for Tipp. Which sort of undermines whole idea that Dublin get favourable treatment.

I've already acknowledged that having the Donegal game in CP is advantage to Dublin. Bring it to congress, get that part of 8s draw changed.

Biggest disadvantage to Donegal is not where the game is being played but not having your Dub player McBrearty :-)

Again, the Super 8s were to be accepted or rejected and not picked apart with each issue voted on, like the specific issue of Dublin having 2 home games and Donegal having 2 away games. You seem to be deliberately missing this point because it suits your narrative.

“The Thurles issue was a neutral venue changed to a home game for Tipp” - So you admit it was an issue. The CP games are neutral for everyone except Dublin and Donegal. As a hurling man you should have been delighted to play in the home of the Munster Championship. But those were the rules at the time...yet Dublin complained because it lessened their advantage. Imagine my shock.

Bonniedog

No, no. The Dublin/Tipp game was supposed to be a neutral venue. That was changed, The first round double headers in CP were agreed when format was set.

I agree with you that it is advantage to Dublin. No doubt about that. And also having Donegal people going home at 9 o'clock is not great.

Change it by all means. but don't be complaining about something that your people already agreed to.

Stoner

Bonniedog wrote:

I agree with you that it is advantage to Dublin. No doubt about that. And also having Donegal people going home at 9 o'clock is not great.

Going home at 9 is brutal, I've traveled that in the other direction but not with kids and not with a championship crowd congestion.

It's forcing people to stay over .

Thankfully herselfs relatives all live in Dublin now anyway, save me beating them out with a lump of hydrodare.

It will make it expensive for some, some lads will just go up and back the same night.

Stoner

Bonniedog wrote:

Change it by all means. but don't be complaining about something that your people already agreed to.

I guess the significance of it hadn't sank in. Just because it was voted on doesn't mean it's fair we all agree it's not. It's also not really a democratic process either.
I think it was a good idea for Donegal to raise it, like Kildare they've nothing to lose. At the very least it will inspire the team.

Stoner

doc_17 wrote:

“The Dublin hurling camp is “totally disgusted†at being forced to play Tipperary in their own backyard this Saturday, writes Eoghan Cormicanâ€

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