Silk road shut down (allegedly)

returnNull

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Why, so you can watch kiddie porn?

What have you got to hide?

Seriously?Go fuk yourself.

christ on a bike!

returnNull wrote: »

Seriously?Go fuk yourself.

Hey!! No need for that

returnNull

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Hey!! No need for that

you reckon?implying I look at kiddie porn?

christ on a bike!

returnNull wrote: »

you reckon?implying I look at kiddie porn?

Don't know why else some one in a free western country works so hard to disguise What they're looking at.
Like, no one cares unless it's illegal

srsly78

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Don't know why else some one in a free western country works so hard to disguise What they're looking at.
Like, no one cares unless it's illegal

You want to do your online banking and shopping without any encryption?

christ on a bike!

srsly78 wrote: »

You want to do your online banking and shopping without any encryption?

All those sites are already encrypted

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christ on a bike! wrote: »

Don't know why else some one in a free western country works so hard to disguise What they're looking at.
Like, no one cares unless it's illegal

Anyone who doesnt want to be snooped on is a pedophile, is that what you're saying?

Just shut up

christ on a bike!

nm wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt want to be snooped on is a pedophile, is that what you're saying?

Just shut up

OK, let's backtrack, there seems to be a lot of hostility here and that's the last thing I want, I like people too much :-)

I just don't understand why someone in Ireland wants this Tor thing.

Either you think people care about the mundane crap you look at on the internet like everyone else, you are paranoid, or you have something to hide

Khannie

Found this little gem earlier.

http://i.imgur.com/k7p2OZ8.jpg

To jail, baby

srsly78

christ on a bike! wrote: »

All those sites are already encrypted

And you don't care about the data being sent between you and the bank? Do you want your banking password etc to be sent "in the clear"? You still have nothing to hide right?

strobe

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Don't know why else some one in a free western country works so hard to disguise What they're looking at.
Like, no one cares unless it's illegal

Well, say I was a young up and coming politician, I certainly wouldn't want the ruling opposition party to be privy to all my personal details. Maybe me and my gf like to video ourselves masturbating while dressed as disney characters. Completely weird as ****? Absolutely. Illegal or anyone's business but our own? Not in the slightest. Would a leaked video of me up to these shenanigans ruin my political career? Almost certainly.
Could I be blackmailed into voting a certain way on something with the release of the video hanging over my head as a threat? Possibly.

Seachmall

christ on a bike! wrote: »

I just don't understand why someone in Ireland wants this Tor thing.

Either you think people care about the mundane crap you look at on the internet like everyone else, you are paranoid, or you have something to hide

From a different discussion:

Seachmall wrote: »

For me it's not entirely about my privacy but privacy in general.

The breakdown in privacy isn't directly an issue for me nor for the vast majority of people but it could cause problems for those who want to criticise or blow the whistle on the government. In the US, where privacy is more or less a joke at this stage, I wouldn't put it past them to be collecting data on people (such as journalists) who pose no threat to the public but might pose a threat to the public's perception of the government.

Even here we had the recent issue of Alan Shatter attempting to attack the credibility of a critic, Mick Wallace, by making a piece of seemingly insignificant data public. And while that was a tiny issue it demonstrates that there people in power who would use collected data in a manner that it was not intended for.

I'm not suggesting we all strap on tinfoil hats or that we live in a country controlled by some oppressive Jewish conspiracy but you can not support a democratic system without also supporting the tiny details that are required for a democratic system. One of those details is the ability to criticise your government without fear of reprisal, and you can't guarantee that without having some level of privacy.

wexie

strobe wrote: »

Maybe me and my gf like to video ourselves masturbating while dressed as disney characters.

:eek:

If the NSA was hacking my webcam they'd have just seen me squirt coffee out of my nose. Keep an eye on youtube folks

Hobbes

cisk wrote: »

The thing about it is he was traced using good old detective work.

I think it might have started when he put the hit out on his employee. He requested that an undercover FBI agent kill his employee after they get the money back from him that he had stolen.

He gave the FBI $80K to kill the employee. The FBI faked the murder of the employee and even sent on graphic pictures of the guys death.

I suspect at that point the employee pointed them to where to start looking to track SR down.

This is all detailed in the two court complaint filings. Well worth reading. The servers were not encrypted and the Feds has been tracking data for months before they picked him up. So expect a lot of dealers to get done as well.

SR was basically the Amazon.com of illegal goods and they estimate $1.2 Billion in illegal cash involved.

christ on a bike!

OK, so it's because you have something to hide, got it

wexie

christ on a bike! wrote: »

OK, so it's because you have something to hide, got it

No you didn't

Not even close

christ on a bike!

Do you think, in the real world this is, that we should be allowed to wear burkas or invisibility cloaks?

Khannie

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Do you think, in the real world this is, that we should be allowed to wear burkas or invisibility cloaks?

So would you let me (or let's say any random Garda) wander around your house, looking at whatever I wanted? (you could supervise to ensure I didn't steal anything).

edit: And yes, in the real world I think people should be allowed wear burkas if they want to.

Seachmall

christ on a bike! wrote: »

OK, so it's because you have something to hide, got it

You could be trying to hide something from your intrusive landlord or your intrusive government.

Regardless, having something to hide doesn't make you a paedophile.

strobe

christ on a bike! wrote: »

OK, so it's because you have something to hide, got it

Would you mind posting your real name and address and 3 naked photos of yourself up there when you get a second please.

christ on a bike!

strobe wrote: »

Would you mind posting your real name and address and 3 naked photos of yourself up there when you get a second please.

Should I do anything illegal here the admin staff will surrender my details to the authority s

christ on a bike!

Khannie wrote: »

So would you let me (or let's say any random Garda) wander around your house, looking at whatever I wanted? (you could supervise to ensure I didn't steal anything).

edit: And yes, in the real world I think people should be allowed wear burkas if they want to.

OK Well I disagree on the burkas

And the garda are welcome to look around my house with a warrant or if they had suspicions a crime was being committed

Seachmall

christ on a bike! wrote: »

And the garda are welcome to look around my house with a warrant or if they had suspicions a crime was being committed

Why? What have you to hide?

And why wouldn't you let Khannie have a peruse?

Are there children chained up in your basement?

wexie

christ on a bike! wrote: »

OK Well I disagree on the burkas

And the garda are welcome to look around my house with a warrant or if they had suspicions a crime was being committed

I think a better analogy would be : would you like it if a garda was going around your house looking into all the windows.

Once there's enough of a suspicion to warrant a warrant (hurhur) then they'd be allowed to look at your online data anyways. People just don't like the idea of the breach of privacy that would go with a garda (or anyone else) being able to look into all of your 'virtual windows'.

srsly78

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Should I do anything illegal here the admin staff will surrender my details to the authority s

I like how you completely disregarded all the legit uses for encryption.

christ on a bike!

I still believe in privacy hence the warrants comments.
You shouldn't have your sensitive information stolen in real life or the virtual. But you also leave an audit trail in both world's and rightly so
Shouldn't bother you unless you have done something you shouldn't have

I have heard all I need to hear and have made my mind up. Thanks for your time and have a nice day

srsly78

The bit you miss is that if the cops can break the encryption then so can the bad guys.

christ on a bike!

srsly78 wrote: »

I like how you completely disrgIrded all the legit uses for encryption.

Encryption around banking etc is obviously a good thing. That's why they spend millions on it, take liability and why I trust those sites
I'm talking about people disguising their footsteps with this Tor yoke

srsly78

Do you object to Chinese people using Tor, or just Irish people? Can you not see a legit use for Tor as well?

Khannie

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Encryption around banking etc is obviously a good thing. That's why they spend millions on it, take liability and why I trust those sites
I'm talking about people disguising their footsteps with this Tor yoke

I don't use Tor personally, but I understand why people would use it on a day to day basis.

I equally understand that Paedo's use it and that bothers me. People use telephones to commit crime though, it doesn't mean every phone conversation should be listened to. Simply because a technology provides the ability to commit a crime does not mean that privacy should be removed to prevent all crimes.

c_man

strobe wrote: »

Maybe me and my gf like to video ourselves masturbating while dressed as disney characters.

PM sent

Seachmall

christ on a bike! wrote: »

I'm talking about people disguising their footsteps with this Tor yoke

You're assuming people only use Tor to hide their footsteps from the government.

FouxDaFaFa

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Encryption around banking etc is obviously a good thing. That's why they spend millions on it, take liability and why I trust those sites
I'm talking about people disguising their footsteps with this Tor yoke

I'm a person trying to defect from North Korea or tell the Guardian about how my whole family were taken away to an internment camp. The internet is heavily monitored by the government who will kill me if they find any trace of dissent.

Do you think it would be a good idea to post an ad on Craigslist?

Or perhaps use Tor to "disguise my footsteps"?

returnNull

christ on a bike! wrote: »

OK, let's backtrack, there seems to be a lot of hostility here and that's the last thing I want, I like people too much :-)

well why the fuk did you accuse me looking at kiddie porn then?

Did You even look at the link I posted(you know in the post where you reckon I watch kiddie porn)?It was by security expert who explained the level of encrption and general habits you should use online to protect yourself from government snooping .And why was he talking about that level of security? Because he worked with the guardian newspaper and snowden when he was releasing the information about the NSA.

christ on a bike!

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I'm a person trying to defect from North Korea or tell the Guardian about how my whole family were taken away to an internment camp. The internet is heavily monitored by the government who will kill me if they find any trace of dissent.

Do you think it would be a good idea to post an ad on Craigslist?

Or perhaps use Tor to "disguise my footsteps"?

Read back though my posts chief

christ on a bike!

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Why, so you can watch kiddie porn?

What have you got to hide?

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Either you think people care about the mundane crap you look at on the internet like everyone else, you are paranoid, or you have something to hide

christ on a bike! wrote: »

OK, so it's because you have something to hide, got it

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Do you think, in the real world this is, that we should be allowed to wear burkas or invisibility cloaks?

christ on a bike! wrote: »

I have heard all I need to hear and have made my mind up. Thanks for your time and have a nice day

Mod

christ on a bike! do not troll this forum again, and do not post in this thread again.

Others - please don't feed the trolls

bodice ripper

the current boogymen are Druggies, Terrorists and Paedophiles.

Druggies they will use to keep a certain class of people in Jail.

Terrorists they will use to track and restrict your movements.

Paedophiles they will use to cripple your freedoms online.


sorry to go tin-foil hat, but I can't believe someone is using the "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" bit in seriousness.

returnNull

Deleted User wrote: »

Mod

christ on a bike! do not troll this forum again, and do not post in this thread again.

Others - please don't feed the trolls

sorry whoopsy had posted my reply before seeing your post

Jonny7

bodice ripper wrote: »

the current boogymen are Druggies, Terrorists and Paedophiles.

Druggies they will use to keep a certain class of people in Jail.

Terrorists they will use to track and restrict your movements.

Paedophiles they will use to cripple your freedoms online.

Nope, you went full tinfoil hat

We are monitored for security. We may not like it, and there may be some debatable isolated incidents, but ultimately it's for our benefit. We're not living in China.

If I want to look up bomb recipes online, visit jihadist websites, post extremist messages on facebook, you are "free" to do so, but it isn't a right, and in the current climate you may rightfully find yourself flagged for particular attention by the authorities

srsly78

Jonny7 wrote: »

Nope, you went full tinfoil hat

We are monitored for security. We may not like it, and there may be some debatable isolated incidents, but ultimately it's for our benefit. We're not living in China.

If I want to look up bomb recipes online, visit jihadist websites, post extremist messages on facebook, you are "free" to do so, but it isn't a right, and in the current climate you may rightfully find yourself flagged for particular attention by the authorities

Why are you ok with foreign governments spying on you? Is it ok for the USA to spy on us, but not ok for the Chinese? This isn't something any of us voted for or otherwise agreed to you know, under Irish law it's the same as foreign spies opening our mail.

I am guessing if our Irish secret service was doing the spying you might have a point!

Seachmall

Jonny7 wrote: »

but it isn't a right

Actually Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Information are two internationally recognised human rights.

wexie

srsly78 wrote: »

I am guessing if our Irish secret service was doing the spying you might have a point!

Who says they aren't?

Jonny7

Seachmall wrote: »

Actually Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Information are two internationally recognised human rights.

Indeed, but you aren't free to announce "bomb" in an airport then or post on facebook that you are gonna kill everyone in the office - some seem to get that part confused.

Seachmall

Jonny7 wrote: »

Indeed, but you aren't free to announce "bomb" in an airport then or post on facebook that you are gonna kill everyone in the office - some seem to get that part confused.

Nobody suggested you should be able to.

Jonny7

srsly78 wrote: »

Why are you ok with foreign governments spying on you? Is it ok for the USA to spy on us,

Yup, because they are doing it for security reasons. Blame the root cause - international terrorism.

I don't condone all spying of course and I certainly don't condone the abuse of this tech to carry out centuries old spying between friendly/unfriendly nations but its a reality of the world we live in now

strobe

christ on a bike! wrote: »

Should I do anything illegal here the admin staff will surrender my details to the authority s

You're missing the point entirely. The NSA et el aren't sitting around in Utah twiddling their tumbs, waiting around for law enforcement officers to ring the doorbell and say "we have been granted a warrant against this guy we think is a drug dealer/terrorist/child porn enthusiast... therefore could you tap his internet for us please". They're 'tapping' and logging and storing everyones internet communications and activities, including investigative journalists, political activist, aspiring and serving politicians, civil servents, LEO's, yours and mine, your daughter's etc without any warrant or just cause or semblence of respect for the right to privacy or personal integrity.

Unless you believe in the moral uncorruptability of the people who will have access to this information, then surely you must accept that it can be, probably has been and certainly will be used for things other than building cases against paedophiles and other law breakers.

srsly78

wexie wrote: »

Who says they aren't?

Well looking at their budget (of our own G2 intelligence service) I am guessing they don't

wexie

srsly78 wrote: »

Well looking at their budget I am guessing they don't

I never said anything about how effective they are

Jonny7

strobe wrote: »

Unless you believe in the moral uncorruptability of the people who will have access to this information, then surely you must accept that it can be, probably has been and certainly will be used for things other than building cases against paedophiles and other law breakers.

You have a bank account yes - on the same principle, do you trust a private profit-making corporation with your sensitive personal details?

How about walking through Centra, do you trust them not to use all that camera footage of you for malicious purposes?

It's common sense vs paranoia

srsly78

Jonny7 wrote: »

Yup, because they are doing it for security reasons. Blame the root cause - international terrorism.

I don't condone all spying of course and I certainly don't condone the abuse of this tech to carry out centuries old spying between friendly/unfriendly nations but its a reality of the world we live in now

They are doing it for american security reasons, not for Irish security reasons. Yes many of our interests align, but not all. I'm not an america-hater but I dislike when they interfere in with our sovereignty. Take a look at the leaked diplomatic cables from the Dublin embassy, and remember that's only the least classified stuff.

How come they spy on us with impunity, but when the reverse happens (thnx Mr. Snowden) they get their knickers in such a twist?