Irish smokers should defend themselves more

MadsL

Billy86 wrote: »

I've got to admit, as a (now former!) smoker, I am confused about people getting so wound up about smoking outdoors, in open areas. Do you also disagree with people driving cars/motorbikes in open places?

Have you missed all the posts about the irritation of sinuses and athsma attacks this causes?

Cars/Motorbikes are a total distraction from the debate.

OldNotWIse

MadsL wrote: »

If they weren't taxed as a luxury item we might get somewhere. All I am pointing out is that in public smokers don't have to smoke. They choose to. There are plenty of socially acceptable alternatives.

But boo-hoo they don't taste right...forgive me if science didn't manage to match your exact preferences. And smokers say they aren't self-absorbed and selfish. Seriously.



Just noxious and deleterious to other people's health. Well feck them, right. It's not like smokers have an alternativ...oh right, they don't taste right. Sorry for your troubles.

Jeeeeeeez, do you want a cigarette? Lighten (lol) up. I dont like fat people eating lard in front of me but guess what? Thats right, eating sh1te is legal so its none of my fuucking business. Why are all you vigilante anti smokers so upset that you cant tell other people how to live their lives? Get over it ffs

OldNotWIse

MadsL wrote: »

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that twice smoking in public has set off an athsma attack for my wife that has the potential to be fatal.

Trivial I know. :rolleyes:

My ex had asthma that could be triggered by dust and dander. Should we ban clothes and cull cats? Society cannot pander to individuals extraordinary circumstances. Hard cases make bad law.

Billy86

MadsL wrote: »

Have you missed all the posts about the irritation of sinuses and athsma attacks this causes?

Cars/Motorbikes are a total distraction from the debate.

Except they are not, from a pollutant POV. I've always thought smoking in someone's face/direction is shockingly ignorant, but if you are careful to not do so then sinus/asthma issues are no bigger an issue than crossing the road on George Street during rush hour.

MadsL

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Jeeeeeeez, do you want a cigarette? Lighten (lol) up. I dont like fat people eating lard in front of me but guess what? Thats right, eating sh1te is legal so its none of my fuucking business.

How does that affect your health?

Why are all you vigilante anti smokers so upset that you cant tell other people how to live their lives? Get over it ffs

Vigilante? When asked not to smoke in a bus queue or ATM queue. "It's my right!" When asked to use non-noxious alternatives "They don't taste right"

But "vigilante anti smokers" are at fault. Got it.

MadsL

Billy86 wrote: »

Except they are not, from a pollutant POV. I've always thought smoking in someone's face/direction is shockingly ignorant, but if you are careful to not do so then sinus/asthma issues are no bigger an issue than crossing the road on George Street during rush hour.

Car buses pollutants are slowly diminishing through the use of better technology.
As could tobacco pollutants if smokers would also use technology or quitting drugs.

But smokers just want to say "Oh, look over there" a handy distraction from selfishness.

We used to throw human sh*t on the street. We grew up from that. Time for smokers to acknowledge that it is a damn anti-social habit and either quit or use alternatives.

We've heard all the excuses at this stage. I've made most of them myself.

MadsL

OldNotWIse wrote: »

My ex had asthma that could be triggered by dust and dander. Should we ban clothes and cull cats? Society cannot pander to individuals extraordinary circumstances. Hard cases make bad law.

Do people go around rubbing cats in her face in public?

rubadub

MadsL wrote: »

Another addict unleashing the venom to defend the indefensible. Amazing how touchy addicts get on the subject.

That guy never actually said he was a smoker. Probably is by the sounds of things, but people keep jumping to conclusions, its usually the opposite though, that anybody with anti smoking views must be a non smoker.

As mentioned it is similar to farting, its legal but you are an utter cunt if you deliberately go farting around others knowing full well it is causing annoyance to them. The farting comparison also puts to bed this notion that people are only concerned about health effects of passive smoking, or any debate as to how damaging it is. I could not care less of the health effects, passive smoking would make me cough, stink my clothes, irritate my eyes, put me off my food -and I do smoke.

If you have to fart in a room of people the decent thing to do is go outside. Or at least try and hold it in till you can.

I was delighted when the smoking ban came in, if you look back at posts at the time many smokers were in full favour of it too.

hullaballoo wrote: »

Some people go to places that are specifically designated as smoking areas and cough loudly and shake their heads and frown at all the smokers. I hate that.

Where have you seen this?

I would not consider many beer gardens to be primarily designated smoking areas so could imagine people frowning there, especially as I would say over 80% of "beer gardens" I have been in are illegal to smoke in. Some pubs do have grotty little smoking areas, but I would not imagine people would like to sit there on a summers day, they would in beer gardens and many go outside for the nice fresh air.

Daveysil15

rubadub wrote: »

As mentioned it is similar to farting, its legal but you are an utter cunt if you deliberately go farting around others knowing full well it is causing annoyance to them.

The difference there though is that you can't just to fart whenever you want. So you can only be a kunt if you have to fart. Also, farts don't give you lung ailments the way cigarette smoke does.

thebaz

MadsL wrote: »

or use alternatives.

out of curiosity , do you smoke the e-cigarettes yourself ?

gavmcg92

Great to see the UCD student body taking the initiative. However I would argue that it's a bit over the top. As a non smoker, I have no problem with individuals smoking outside. All I want is for them to be moved away from the doors of buildings.

There's nothing worse than having to push past 15 or 20 smokers right outside the arts block entrance. Hopefully TCD follow UCD on this.

dj jarvis

MadsL wrote: »

Car buses pollutants are slowly diminishing through the use of better technology.
As could tobacco pollutants if smokers would also use technology or quitting drugs.

But smokers just want to say "Oh, look over there" a handy distraction from selfishness.

We used to throw human sh*t on the street. We grew up from that. Time for smokers to acknowledge that it is a damn anti-social habit and either quit or use alternatives.

We've heard all the excuses at this stage. I've made most of them myself.

funniest thing on the internet today !!!

go suck on a exhaust pipe and tell me how you get on
as for asthma attacks triggered by cigarette smoke alone out in the open ???

you have got to be joking me - so all the other pollutants in the atmosphere had NOTHING in the way of a contributory factor ???
industry and transport cause the majority of air born pollutants - not cig smoke

if your outside light up , its no ones business once they are not actually blowing it in your face , they are using a LEGAL product in an area they are allowed to use it - you dont like it - you have legs - you move

and this from a ex smoker who have 2 heart attacks caused from smoking
in all you argument you conveniently ignore the biggest contributor to air pollution is caused by dust/industry/car fumes - NOT cigarettes

only thing that should be quit is your one side blinkered bitching

Happyman42

A couple of thing are quite clear,
Smoking is not illegal,
Non-smokers don't like cig smoke.
To be decent and fair to all we have to allow people to smoke and we also have to inconveinence non smokers as little as possible.
therefore I think we need to clearly deliniate when and where it is ok to smoke and I think the 'first there has the right' is the only workable system. Add to that 'no go areas' like in doors and away from entrance and you have a perfectly reasonable solution in a democratic society.
We need to do this before somebody gets killed from MPI (Momentary Passive Inhalation) or HBOSIATM (Heinous Blowing Of Smoke In A Threatening Manner)
I'm serious!

lintdrummer

There are a lot of non smokers in the thread standing on soap boxes preaching to us ignorant smokers about a subject the majority of them don't know a single thing about.
I've seen smokers being referred to as "clearly stupid", whiners and partakers of a disgusting habit.
Smokers are not stupid, and we don't suffer from a bad habit, we have an addiction. Plain and simple. You can harp on about the various quitting aids available and how we clearly just decide to smoke regardless. The truth is with all the help in the world it is extremely difficult to stop smoking. That's due to the way the tobacco industry have engineered their product.
I won't keep ranting just to say this: telling us how stupid we are, berating us and casting is out is not helping to solve the problem, we are more than aware of the dangers and most are embarrassed about smoking in public so give it a rest, it's not helping anyone.

macgrub

gavmcg92 wrote: »

Great to see the UCD student body taking the initiative. However I would argue that it's a bit over the top. As a non smoker, I have no problem with individuals smoking outside. All I want is for them to be moved away from the doors of buildings.

There's nothing worse than having to push past 15 or 20 smokers right outside the arts block entrance. Hopefully TCD follow UCD on this.

+1 on this point.
I've no problem with smokers. I do have a problem with having to make my way through a crowd of smokers right outside a building's door, especially in the morning. I've absolutely no problem with smokers but I just don't believe I should have to put up with throngs of people blowing smoke around me when I'm trying to get on with my day.
Would designated smoke areas, such as bus shelters, in particular areas not facilitate this issue?

Toshi101

Its not hard to avoid smoke people generally dont go around blowing in your face outside. Also the smell of people who dont shower really bothers me. Can we make those that dont shower regularly stay in their own home?

B.A._Baracus

MadsL wrote: »

?? This your other account or are there two Mr Ts on boards ??

What the hell :pac:
That's not my account. I never knew there was another ba baracus on boards. lol.

Daveysil15

Toshi101 wrote: »

Its not hard to avoid smoke people generally dont go around blowing in your face outside. Also the smell of people who dont shower really bothers me. Can we make those that dont shower regularly stay in their own home?

No but you can give them some deodorant.

MadsL

thebaz wrote: »

out of curiosity , do you smoke the e-cigarettes yourself ?

I'm 3.5 years clean after 30+ years of smoking and used Champix to quit after numerous attempts. I have smoked one session of an e-cig after quitting. Almost exactly like a cigarette I found. People here grumbling are really absurd about how they don't like the 'hit'. Did they enjoy the first cigarette they smoked?

Happyman42 wrote: »

A couple of thing are quite clear,
Smoking is not illegal,
Non-smokers don't like cig smoke.
To be decent and fair to all we have to allow people to smoke and we also have to inconveinence non smokers as little as possible.
therefore I think we need to clearly deliniate when and where it is ok to smoke and I think the 'first there has the right' is the only workable system. Add to that 'no go areas' like in doors and away from entrance and you have a perfectly reasonable solution in a democratic society.
We need to do this before somebody gets killed from MPI (Momentary Passive Inhalation) or HBOSIATM (Heinous Blowing Of Smoke In A Threatening Manner)
I'm serious!

Nope. What you have created is a further segregation. We need to stop segregating smokers and simply ban tobacco in public. Smokers have alternatives. After all, they haven't stopped taking long-haul flights or going to the cinema.

All your jokes about MPI and other silliness doesn't change the fact that in 2009 athsma killed 1,131 people (UK figures) - if tobacco smoke is a trigger then your "Heinous Blowing Of Smoke" could potentially put someone in hospital, and then they could perhaps not recover. My former boss died three years ago from an athsma attack.

Smoking, whilst legal, does not convey the right to be injurious to other people's health. I fully support the right of anyone to do something legal that does not impinge on others, but unfortunately smoking is not harmless.

Water vapour on the other hand...oh wait, you don't like the taste...what's that? Oh yes, 30,000 flavours available last count. But meh, eh?

Gum? Oh, not tasty enough.

Patches, oh nothing to breathe.

Inhalers. Oh, don't like the taste.

Have you tried vaping...oh, yes, the taste thing.

Here's a thought. Quit?

(head * wall)

Ghost Buster

Defend them selves eh. They could always cough black phlegm at folk. that'd work I reckon

MadsL

Toshi101 wrote: »

Its not hard to avoid smoke people generally dont go around blowing in your face outside. Also the smell of people who dont shower really bothers me. Can we make those that dont shower regularly stay in their own home?

Smoke more, you'll soon destroy that sense of smell.

StupidLikeAFox

In ten years time, if there are less smokers in society then there will be less smoking related illness and society in general will be healthier and live longer. If this is the first step on that road then I am happy with that.

I have no great problem with smoking, smoking areas are fun, I smoked myself and still do occassionally, people are entitled to make their own choices HOWEVER smoking is not good for anybody involved so it makes sense that as a society we should try and reduce the amount of people smoking.

MadsL

MadsL wrote: »

I'm 3.5 years clean after 30+ years of smoking and used Champix to quit after numerous attempts. I have smoked one session of an e-cig after quitting. Almost exactly like a cigarette I found. People here grumbling are really absurd about how they don't like the 'hit'. Did they enjoy the first cigarette they smoked?



So, basically, because you quit smoking, and in public places too, we all should?? You're finished with smoking, so we all must....Ok, got it now.

ThePieintheSky

In my opinion no one should be prevented smoking outside. If the smoker wants to damage their own lungs and stink themselves up that is their prerogative.

It's no one elses business. It's not harming you so leave it alone.

If I was a smoker standing in a field at UCD smoking and some random student or busybody lecturer told me to put it out I would tell them where to go. Not their business. They don't own the atmosphere.

My name is URL

I'm a smoker and don't really have an issue with banning it in public places. Though I'd never smoke when in close proximity to 'the public' anyway.. I'd feel very uncomfortable standing next to strangers while smoking. It's a matter of decency if nothing else.

I really hate the condescending and belittling tone that former or non-smokers sometimes take however. As if nothing they themselves do in life has an effect on the health or well-being of others... and don't even get me started on those who go on about taxes!

MadsL

Jake1 wrote: »

MadsL wrote: »

I'm 3.5 years clean after 30+ years of smoking and used Champix to quit after numerous attempts. I have smoked one session of an e-cig after quitting. Almost exactly like a cigarette I found. People here grumbling are really absurd about how they don't like the 'hit'. Did they enjoy the first cigarette they smoked?



So, basically, because you quit smoking, and in public places too, we all should?? You're finished with smoking, so we all must....Ok, got it now.

I was a selfish cnut for years, I even continued smoking in public when asked not to when other people could not move. I banged on about my rights. I was hopelessly addicted, suffered chronic respiratory conditions including pleurisy. I told myself every lie going about smoking. I would piss people off just so I could go get my fix. Sold items I owned to buy cigarettes when money was tight. Stole cigarettes. Classic addict. I just about got out of smoking alive. Champix saved my life I believe. E-cigs were just on the market when I quit.

Now, would you like to name one benefit of smoking for the boys and girls?

macgrub

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

In my opinion no one should be prevented smoking outside. If the smoker wants to damage their own lungs and stink themselves up that is their prerogative.

It's no one elses business. It's not harming you so leave it alone.

If I was a smoker standing in a field at UCD smoking and some random student or busybody lecturer told me to put it out I would tell them were to go. Not their business. They don't own the atmosphere.

I agree. But there should be a minimum distance from buildings though. I don't like having a waft of smoke blown into my face when I want to enter a building.
If people want to smoke in a field, go nuts! (Obviously clean up the butts).

MadsL

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm a smoker and don't really have an issue with banning it in public places. Though I'd never smoke when in close proximity to 'the public' anyway.. I'd feel very uncomfortable standing next to strangers while smoking. It's a matter of decency if nothing else.

Fair play.

I really hate the condescending and belittling tone that former or non-smokers sometimes take however. As if nothing they themselves do in life has an effect on the health or well-being of others... and don't even get me started on those who go on about taxes!

What did you have in mind?

MadsL

ThePieintheSky wrote: »

In my opinion no one should be prevented smoking outside. If the smoker wants to damage their own lungs and stink themselves up that is their prerogative.

Then how do you police the bus stop, the ATM, the open air gig, the sports game, the person who cannot open their apartment window because of the smoke from the 'smoking area' of the office below, the list goes on where people are affected by smoking outside.

It's no one elses business. It's not harming you so leave it alone.

Except when it is harming you.

MadsL

MadsL wrote: »

Jake1 wrote: »

I was a selfish cnut for years, I even continued smoking in public when asked not to when other people could not move. I banged on about my rights. I was hopelessly addicted, suffered chronic respiratory conditions including pleurisy. I told myself every lie going about smoking. I would piss people off just so I could go get my fix. Sold items I owned to buy cigarettes when money was tight. Stole cigarettes. Classic addict. I just about got out of smoking alive. Champix saved my life I believe. E-cigs were just on the market when I quit.

Now, would you like to name one benefit of smoking for the boys and girls?

We all know the dangers of smoking. The benefits for an addict, well that would mainly be pleasure though If we smoke outside we shouldnt have former smokers like yourself taking on a crusade to ban us We are doing the best we can, most of us anyway, in respecting those who dont smoke. I honestly think a bit of fairness from non smokers, and especially Former Smokers wouldnt go amiss.

Still Im delighted you were able to quit, probably wouldnt have met and married your wife otherwise, as obviously you wouldnt have been able to date her, or be around her while you were smoking. So its good for both of you that you quit.

personally,. I doubt at this stage now Ill ever quit. But I admire those who do, I Have the e-cig, its not bad, but its really not the same. It is a great alternative though. I plan on bringing mine into hospital with me in a few weeks.

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

I'm a smoker and don't really have an issue with banning it in public places. Though I'd never smoke when in close proximity to 'the public' anyway.. I'd feel very uncomfortable standing next to strangers while smoking. It's a matter of decency if nothing else.

Id be the same, I wouldnt smoke in a bus queue, or shelter. I smoke in my own home, but if a non smoker came over and I knew it really bothered them, then Id step outside the back door and have a quick smoke. it is a matter of decency.

MadsL

Jake1 wrote: »

We all know the dangers of smoking. The benefits for an addict, well that would mainly be pleasure though If we smoke outside we shouldnt have former smokers like yourself taking on a crusade to ban us We are doing the best we can, most of us anyway, in respecting those who dont smoke. I honestly think a bit of fairness from non smokers, and especially Former Smokers wouldnt go amiss.

Former smokers are harsher on you just because they see through the lies smokers promulgate to each other. Like it is hard to give up.

Still Im delighted you were able to quit, probably wouldnt have met and married your wife otherwise, as obviously you wouldnt have been able to date her, or be around her while you were smoking. So its good for both of you that you quit.

Oh I smoked (outside) around her, being the selfish cnut that I was as a smoker in fully knowledge that she couldn't abide the smoke. She was hospitalised in London after we had been casually dating for 6 months and they failed to diagnose her athsma. She almost died in that hospital.

personally,. I doubt at this stage now Ill ever quit. But I admire those who do, I Have the e-cig, its not bad, but its really not the same. It is a great alternative though. I plan on bringing mine into hospital with me in a few weeks.

Champix: seriously. But do give the e-cig a shot when you are in public. Athsma suffers will thank you.

thebaz

MadsL wrote: »

I'm 3.5 years clean after 30+ years of smoking and used Champix to quit after numerous attempts. I have smoked one session of an e-cig after quitting. Almost exactly like a cigarette I found. People here grumbling are really absurd about how they don't like the 'hit'. Did they enjoy the first cigarette they smoked?

fair eneogh, I'm only 6 weeks off , cold turkey - I'm a bit dubious about the e-cigarettes , they are only out a short time , and maybe in a few years harmful side effects will be found - they usually find most foods in excess are harmful - I have walked into pasive e-cigarette smoke , preffered not to , but not a big deal - but perhaps it will get a bit stuffy with all the sweet cherry flavour artifiial smoke , indoors, in certain places - put it this way I wouldnt want to be working across from someone, blowing this smoke/vapour in my face all day.

MadsL

thebaz wrote: »

fair eneogh, I'm only 6 weeks off , cold turkey - I'm a bit dubious about the e-cigarettes , they are only out a short time , and maybe in a few years harmful side effects will be found - they usually find most foods in excess are harmful - I have walked into pasive e-cigarette smoke , preffered not to , but not a big deal - but perhaps it will get a bit stuffy with all the sweet cherry flavour artifiial smoke , indoors, in certain places - put it this way I wouldnt want to be working across from someone, blowing this smoke/vapour in my face all day.

It's just water. No different to people wearing perfume at work.

SeaDaily

I dont understand how smokers can think a ban of this sort would be a bad thing. Do smokers believe that smoking is a worthwhile thing to do? Would they reccommend teenagers take up smoking because they are so glad that they started? If not then how can they say this ban is a poor decision.

Bans of this kind will ultimately discourage people from smoking which is most definitely a step in the right direction. The only way to ensure that smoking does not remain the done thing in our society is to put in place legislation that slowly phases it out of our society. Obviously smokers wont be too keen on this idea but surely they realise that in the grand scheme of things it is the best decision. No one in this day and age is stupid enough to believe that smoking isnt bad for your health.

Maybe smokers should consider that if smoking is banned in public places it could potentially mean that in the future any kids they may have would think twice before taking up smoking. Now how could this be perceived as a bad thing?

MadsL

Has any smoker here stopped flying since smoking was banned on flights?





...my guess is no.

thebaz

MadsL wrote: »

It's just water. No different to people wearing perfume at work.

its not just water , ther is nicotine for starters , and I'm sure other ingrediants - but I'm no expert , didnt want to start & replace it with another addiction , a few years ago i gave up , and for a year was eating nicorretes , in the end they actually made me sick

MadsL

MadsL wrote: »

Former smokers are harsher on you just because they see through the lies smokers promulgate to each other. Like it is hard to give up.



Oh I smoked (outside) around her, being the selfish cnut that I was as a smoker in fully knowledge that she couldn't abide the smoke. She was hospitalised in London after we had been casually dating for 6 months and they failed to diagnose her athsma. She almost died in that hospital.



Champix: seriously. But do give the e-cig a shot when you are in public. Athsma suffers will thank you.

Nah, I have depression and take tablets for that, so I wouldnt risk the Champix.

I do use the e cig when Im out sometimes. I actually went to the pictures one night, and on the way in I asked could I use the e cig, and explained what it was. The guy was telling me, that, they technically didnt allow them as people confused them for real cigs cant win

( however, he did say I could go ahead and if anyone complained, direct them to him, but I didnt bother, as it put me off anyway)

MadsL

Jake1 wrote: »

Nah, I have depression and take tablets for that, so I wouldnt risk the Champix.

Fair enough, as a former smoker, I know you really just want to quit. There are lots of ways to get help.

MadsL

thebaz wrote: »

its not just water , ther is nicotine for starters , and I'm sure other ingrediants - but I'm no expert , didnt want to start & replace it with another addiction , a few years ago i gave up , and for a year was eating nicorretes , in the end they actually made me sick

Well nicotine if it is nicotine loaded fluid. Some vapers don't use nicotine.

MadsL

MadsL wrote: »

Fair enough, as a former smoker, I know you really just want to quit. There are lots of ways to get help.

Do you miss it at all? I know some people who say they still miss it, and especially when heaving a drink, the urge can rear its head.

MadsL

Jake1 wrote: »

Do you miss it at all? I know some people who say they still miss it, and especially when heaving a drink, the urge can rear its head.

God no. Even being around smokers. Euuuchhh! You be amazed how disgusting smokers smell. If smokers could smell themselves they'd quit in heartbeat.

Here in the US they still have some indoor smoking - the stench of your clothes the next day.

I also notice the effect on my lungs the next day.

clairefontaine

I agree with madsl. Addicts are full of justifications for their addictions.

Cigarettes do one thing and that is kill you.

In fact there is no real reason they should be legal in the first place. Saying that we all know what prohibition leads to.

The only solution is social stigma.

clairefontaine

Jake1 wrote: »

Do you miss it at all? I know some people who say they still miss it, and especially when heaving a drink, the urge can rear its head.

The reason you want it when you drink alcohol or coffee is that the nicotine modifies the way you process those drinks, its likely you have a sensitivity or intolerance to alcohol or caffeine.

Unfortunately, to quit smoking you often have to quit booze and coffee too for a while, just to avoid triggers until you can sustain mastery over them, if ever.

P_1

Personally Id be of the opinion that people have the right to do what they want with their bodies provided that they harm nobody else. I'm highly skeptical that outdoor smoking causes any significant harm to non smokers when you consider what else is out there in the air.

Champix frankly terrifies me with what it does but if it does the job for you then knock yourself out.

I find e-cigs great but aren't the fcukers trying to ban the bloody things because they take money away from taxes, tobacco companies and pharma companies.

Medusa22

Links234 wrote: »

It annoys me that people who smoke think that those of us who don't just "don't like" their habit, or the smell, etc. I've got asthma, second hand smoke can trigger an attack. you have to be severely ignorant to think that your smoking doesn't effect the people around you

I fully agree with you, it really pisses me off that people think that non-smokers don't like smokers just because of the smell. A lot of people have lung diseases, I have Cystic Fibrosis and even just inhaling someone's cigarette smoke when I'm outside causes me to cough until I'm in spasms, and then everyone stares at ME. I am also at higher risk of catching a chest infection when I inhale second hand smoke.

Having said that, I know that people do smoke and they are entitled to do so, I would agree with having designated smoking shelters, away from entrances and the busier areas of the campus.

Happyman42

MadsL wrote: »

Nope. What you have created is a further segregation. We need to stop segregating smokers and simply ban tobacco in public. Smokers have alternatives. After all, they haven't stopped taking long-haul flights or going to the cinema.

All your jokes about MPI and other silliness doesn't change the fact that in 2009 athsma killed 1,131 people (UK figures) - if tobacco smoke is a trigger then your "Heinous Blowing Of Smoke" could potentially put someone in hospital, and then they could perhaps not recover. My former boss died three years ago from an athsma attack.

Smoking, whilst legal, does not convey the right to be injurious to other people's health. I fully support the right of anyone to do something legal that does not impinge on others, but unfortunately smoking is not harmless.

Water vapour on the other hand...oh wait, you don't like the taste...what's that? Oh yes, 30,000 flavours available last count. But meh, eh?

Gum? Oh, not tasty enough.

Patches, oh nothing to breathe.

Inhalers. Oh, don't like the taste.

Have you tried vaping...oh, yes, the taste thing.

Here's a thought. Quit?

(head * wall)

If smoking was illegal then you might have a point, smoking isn't illegal so therefore we have to come up with a solution that accomodates everybody, because this is a democracy.
So I guess you are gonna have to suck it up. (but tell the wife not to!)

MadYaker

I think its safe to say if tobacco was discovered tomorrow it would be banned outright. Laws like this are an attempt to move towards a time when smoking is banned everywhere and nobody does it, which would be ideal. And yeah people who currently smoke might feel like they are being discriminated against but really its for the greater good.

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

The reason you want it when you drink alcohol or coffee is that the nicotine modifies the way you process those drinks, its likely you have a sensitivity or intolerance to alcohol or caffeine.

Unfortunately, to quit smoking you often have to quit booze and coffee too for a while, just to avoid triggers until you can sustain mastery over them, if ever.

Huh? I drink coffee like a mofo. I'm the most caffeinated person I know. I also have a keg in the garage.

No relapses.

MadsL

Happyman42 wrote: »

If smoking was illegal then you might have a point, smoking isn't illegal so therefore we have to come up with a solution that accomodates everybody, because this is a democracy.
So I guess you are gonna have to suck it up. (but tell the wife not to!)

Cats are not illegal but you don't go round rubbing cats in people's faces. Peanuts are not illegal but you don't grind them to a powder and blow them into crowds.

People can have serious reactions to cigarette smoke. And there are very practical alternatives.

Ban smoking in public. Why would that be a problem? Give me one reason why that would be a bad thing?