Chemtrails debunked.

IrelandSpirit

Yes of course, magic ice crystals -- stay in your fear-based consensus trance, fellow lab rats, embrace your inner chemtrail, the sky is totally normal and natural, all is well.

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Yes of course, magic ice crystals -- stay in your fear-based consensus trance, fellow lab rats, embrace your inner chemtrail, the sky is totally normal and natural, all is well.

So why not educate us?

Please explain why the explanation that they are just normal condensation is so ridiculous.
Please explain how you can tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails.

Because at the moment, it looks exactly like you are unable to do this. And if you can't do this, then the only reason you believe that these pictures and videos show chemtrails is that you accepted them without question.
And isn't that exactly what you are accusing people who don't believe in chemtrails of doing?

IrelandSpirit

Have posted a few explanations on this thread, links, presentations etc, and seriously, it's just amazing how you chemtrail deniers waffle on about how polluted skies and square grid 'clouds' are normal, claiming oh how scientific you are when No you're not, you're just gullible and conformist -- minimum -- all you really need to do is look up, see it, but here's another presentation for you, watch it this time, it's from a meteorologist (that's a 'weatherman') Scott Stevens, on Geo-Engineering / Chemtrails:

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Have posted a few explanations on this thread, links, presentations etc,

None have answered the questions I asked.
The questions are simple and easily answered, they don't require links or threads.
So please, in your own words, explain how we can tell contrails from chemtrails.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

and seriously, it's just amazing how you chemtrail deniers waffle on about how polluted skies and square grid 'clouds' are normal,

What's not normal about them exactly?
How are they different from contrails?

IrelandSpirit

King Mob wrote: »

None have answered the questions I asked.
The questions are simple and easily answered, they don't require links or threads.

Your questions are answered, in the presentation I posted for you above and others -- watch in your own time. Can't really do much more for you. 'Cos if you're still up to your old 'wear them out, time wasting' tricks (after all these years? lol) then good luck, haven't time to waste on you right now

But here's a lovely photo of a gorgeous natural sunset for you instead -- or is it sunrise? Can't tell, probably due to all the natural chemical clouds. Enjoy

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Your questions are answered, in the presentation I posted for you above and others -- watch in your own time.

I'm asking you to explain it in your own words.
This is not as difficult as finding youtube videos.
And youtube videos cannot answer why *you* think contrails are ridiculous as an explaination.

I flicked through the first 10 mins and he does not explain how to tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails.
Could you at least point to what time in the video he explains this out?
Every video I have watched about chemtrails does not explain how to tell the difference, so I don't think that video is going to be 50 minutes well spent.

Captain Chaos

What I would love to know is where do there mysterious aircraft takeoff and land from. Who flies them, fills them with the "chemicals", who pays them and who ships the chemicals to them? Who files their flight plans to ATC which have to be done weeks/months in advance, I'd love to see the answers for all that.

pfurey101

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Sure, it's a possibility that gov's would do it, they are actually discussing it openly and publicly, it's no secret it may happen one day. And they'll just do it.

But what is not possible is to hide the fall-out from it. How many different soils, air and water samples are done worldwide annually ? I'm willing to bet millions, and not one showing the results from chemtrails.

Thousands of people around the world screaming "chemtrails", not one of the with a couple hundred euro's to get their own tests done ? Not one single piece of proof of chemtrails anywhere in the world after 3+ decades of it happening and people being aware of it, investigating it in real time, no after the fact. ??

Who produces and manufactured millions of chemtrail devices ?
Who installed these devices on commercial jets ?
Who transports these devices
Who refills them for every trip ?
Who mines these metals ?
Who transports it to every airport on the planet ?
Is it the pilots job to spray this stuff all over the planet ?
Are the cabin crew in on it too ?


How many millions of people would it take to achieve all this ?

All this and many many more questions and not one single piece of proof. Not one leaked document, no one photo of a tanker pumping these materials onto jets, not one credible whistleblower, pilots, cabin crew, engineers, mechanics and airport staff, no rise in metal poisoning, no test results anywhere, no nothing.

Nothing ads up in the chemtrail theory, it's a non starter, a hoax.

Read this again chemtrailers!

pfurey101

pfurey101 wrote: »

Ive been to Boeing and Airbus on many occasions over a 30 year period, I have studied aircraft systems, I have dealt with aircraft component and engine manufacturers, engineers, flight crew, mechanics, logistics, supply chain, been involved in initial fleet deliveries to many airlines. I have spent years going through aircraft technical drawings, parts catalogues, overhaul and maintenance manuals, airframe and engine and component modifications and service bulletins and wiring diagrams from the Boeing 707's and BAC 1-11's in the 70's to Airbus 330/340's as late as 2009............


AND COMPLETELY MISSED THE CHEMTRAIL CONTROL SYSTEMS (and so did wikileaks)!!!!!!!

And read this one also......again!

IrelandSpirit

This is interesting -- NASA scientist talking about chemtrails (which you deny even exist), at around 2:50mins, you'll even hear explanations of the different types of chemtrails (aka magic ice crystals to you), including spraying lithium into the atmosphere, etc ...

Daithi 1

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Yes of course, magic ice crystals -- stay in your fear-based consensus trance, fellow lab rats, embrace your inner chemtrail, the sky is totally normal and natural, all is well.

IrelandSpirit

U.S Air Force whistleblower Kristen Meghan, toxicologist/industrial hygienist, explaining the U.S military connection with chemtrails (aka magic ice crystals to you) and geoengineering (a word you might understand if you ever evolve and inherit a fully functional neocortex). Video: 21:35mins

King Mob

So basically, even though you can't actually explain the difference between contrails and chemtrails and show they exist, we should just believe all these people because they are experts, therefore cannot be wrong.
Which is exactly what you are accusing everyone who doesn't immediately buy into chemtrails of doing.

Is all this anger and outrage really worth it when these people can't actually show that chemtrails exist?

Daithi 1

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

U.S Air Force whistleblower Kristen Meghan, toxicologist/industrial hygienist, explaining the U.S military connection with chemtrails (aka magic ice crystals to you) and geoengineering (a word you might understand if you ever evolve and inherit a fully functional neocortex). Video: 21:35mins

What proof does she bring to the table ? None. All she has is a story.

She gives me the impression of a woman scorned, has a grudge against the air force. Girls don't fair well there.

It would be insane to take all these stories as fact.

IrelandSpirit

King Mob wrote: »

Is all this anger and outrage really worth it when these people can't actually show that chemtrails exist?

What? You make no sense. If chemtrails don't exist, then what are they talking about when they're talking about chemtrails and explaining what they are and showing you proof of chemtrails in every way imaginable?

Oh wait, yes of course, they're not credible experts just because you say so, and they're really talking about 'magic ice crystals' and 'just normal clouds.'

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

What? You make no sense. If chemtrails don't exist, then what are they talking about when they're talking about chemtrails and explaining what they are and showing you proof of chemtrails in every way imaginable?

But they don't show proof of chemtrails. They don't explain how to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails.

If they do, then please explain in your own words how to tell the difference.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Oh wait, yes of course, they're not credible experts just because you say so, and they're really talking about 'magic ice crystals' and 'just normal clouds.'

No, I'm not saying that they are not credible. I'm just pointing out that you are telling people to believe these people without question because they are experts and that this is hypocritical.

So in your picture, are those all chemtrails with no contrails?
Do you even believe that contrails exist?

IrelandSpirit

Daithi 1 wrote: »

She gives me the impression of a woman scorned, has a grudge against the air force. Girls don't fair well there.

It would be insane to take all these stories as fact.

Thanks, so glad you're psychic and read her life-story in her aura! Yes of course, she has a grudge against the air force and has decided to expose their involvement in geoengineering. Even though geoengineering doesn't exist according to you anyway.

Phew! Finally, I can now admire this photo of a beautiful natural sunset. Stunning magical ice crystal formations too.

Daithi 1

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Thanks, so glad you're psychic and read her life-story in her aura! Yes of course, she has a grudge against the air force and has decided to expose their involvement in geoengineering. Even though geoengineering doesn't exist according to you anyway.

Phew! Finally, I can now admire this photo of a beautiful natural sunset. Stunning magical ice crystal formations too.

Clouds, hanging in the sky, as they do.

Daithi 1

If you spray water into a freezing humid environment, it will freeze. It's very cold and humid up there where airplanes fly. So jet exhaust (water) freezes, as you would expect.

IrelandSpirit

King Mob wrote: »

But they don't show proof of chemtrails. They don't explain how to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails.

If they do, then please explain in your own words how to tell the difference.

Clearly, you've not even bothered to listen to their explanations or you wouldn't be asking me to tell you the difference. Listen, watch, make up your own mind.

King Mob wrote: »

No, I'm not saying that they are not credible. I'm just pointing out that you are telling people to believe these people without question because they are experts and that this is hypocritical.

If you're not saying they are not credible, then clearly you think they are credible. Listen, watch, make up your own mind.

King Mob wrote: »

So in your picture, are those all chemtrails with no contrails?
Do you even believe that contrails exist?

You asked me that before and have answered that before so not wasting time/energy explaining it again. Here's some answers for you:

shleedance

They're contrails. Depending on atmospheric conditions, they can stay there up for hours and spread out. In fact, these conditions can be recreated easily in order to make clouds (contrails are basically man-made clouds) and in fact some artists have used these techniques to make their own clouds. Observe!

http://io9.com/5892356/artist-suspends-real-clouds-in-the-middle-of-the-room

Chemtrails is just another piece of misinformation spread about the internet, made up by people who's idea of "researching" is lazily looking up a few nonsense articles online. No critical thinking involved or looking at the real science behind cloud formation.

As for cloud seeding before anyone mentions it, there are legit reasons of using it, and was never really a secret to begin with. However, seeding is limited to creating clouds that can make rain, using techniques involving dry-ice or silver iodine.

IrelandSpirit

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Clouds, hanging in the sky, as they do.

Really? You go around telling people that these are just "Clouds, hanging in the sky, as they do?" Wow ...

Well thankfully, seeing as you have displayed your incredible psychic powers, reading the auras of US air force whisteblowers, I suppose I'm just forced to take your word for it.

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Clearly, you've not even bothered to listen to their explanations or you wouldn't be asking me to tell you the difference. Listen, watch, make up your own mind.

No I haven't watched most of the videos as I've seen their type before. They never explain the differences.

If the ones you posted did contain such a thing, then you'd have no issue pointing to the time that they answer my questions or simply explain the difference yourself. You haven't done this, because you can't do this as they do not explain the difference.

Simply posting an hour long video and claiming the answers are in there is not a discussion and it doesn't answer the questions. It just further makes it look like you can't answer the questions.

And it's very hypocritical when you are accusing anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you of not thinking for themselves.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

If you're not saying they are not credible, then clearly you think they are credible.

They very well might be credible, but that's not the point. You are telling us to believe what they say unquestioningly because they are experts.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Listen, watch, make up your own mind.

Cept if we make up our own mind to not agree with you it's because we're stupid and brainwashed?

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

You asked me that before and have answered that before so not wasting time/energy explaining it again.

I have asked you before when you last posted this picture, you ignored the question.
http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/chemtrail92373983933-1.jpg
In this photo, which formations are chemtrails? Or are they all chemtrails?
Do you believe that contrails exist?

shleedance

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Really? You go around telling people that these are just "Clouds, hanging in the sky, as they do?" Wow ...

Well thankfully, seeing as you have displayed your incredible psychic powers, reading the auras of US air force whisteblowers, I suppose I'm just forced to take your word for it.

Show me something that's isn't anecdotal at best. That photo is clearly contrails, too.

The problem is that anyone can make such claims with false authority to convince people. The same with videos - either the people are not clued up in the areas they're talking about (politicans are notorious for this when it comes to climate change, for example) or are manipulating, cherry picking and twisting facts to fit their own agenda.

Of course, there is also confirmation bias to worry about too.

csallmighty

Sorry to interrupt but I have one simple question that's been bugging me for a long time.

If chemtrails are really so dangerous then why aren't there droves of people moving to areas with little to no air traffic?

shleedance

Because the "chemtrails" are really just harmless contrails? ;D

It amazes me that it's usually the uneducated/lazy types that believe this stuff.

shleedance

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

lol ... I don't think any of you wierdos quite get it, insult me all you like -- I left Ireland (aka The Republic of Taytostan) years ago now, and tbh, it was the best thing I did, and it was because of narrow-minded self-centred bigoted coonts as yourselves that I left, dumbass **** who demonstrably don't even know the difference between a natural cloud and a plume of toxic pollution. lol Carry on, freaks, let the world know what 'Irish' really means. Morons, no wonder we're the laughingstock of the planet xx

You sound like you belong here.

IrelandSpirit

King Mob wrote: »

No I haven't watched most of the videos as I've seen their type before. They never explain the differences.

If you've not watched the videos, then how do you know they never explain the difference? At least try watching the last vid I provided for you from the United Nations, it's only about 17mins

King Mob wrote: »

If the ones you posted did contain such a thing, then you'd have no issue pointing to the time that they answer my questions or simply explain the difference yourself. You haven't done this, because you can't do this as they do not explain the difference.

See above, and last comments to this -- tired of repeating myself.

King Mob wrote: »

Simply posting an hour long video and claiming the answers are in there is not a discussion and it doesn't answer the questions. It just further makes it look like you can't answer the questions.

It's not an hour video, it's only 17mins:

Though yes, the other presentations are longer because they offer more detailed explanations, such as the one by the meteorologist Scott Stevens, on Geo-Engineering / Chemtrails:

King Mob wrote: »

And it's very hypocritical when you are accusing anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you of not thinking for themselves.

So you're saying we're 'hypocrites' because we don't believe in your magic ice crystals and square clouds? Wrong word, perhaps try 'sane.'

King Mob wrote: »

They very well might be credible, but that's not the point. You are telling us to believe what they say unquestioningly because they are experts.

No. The point is they are credible and you won't go near actually challenging what they are saying, because you can't.

King Mob wrote: »

Cept if we make up our own mind to not agree with you it's because we're stupid and brainwashed?

At this stage? Quite honestly, yes. "Just clouds hanging in the sky, as they do?" http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/chem.jpeg

King Mob wrote: »

I have asked you before when you last posted this picture, you ignored the question.
http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/chemtrail92373983933-1.jpg
In this photo, which formations are chemtrails? Or are they all chemtrails?
Do you believe that contrails exist?

See above.

shleedance

"So you're saying we're 'hypocrites' because we don't believe in your magic ice crystals and square clouds? Wrong word, perhaps try 'insane.'"

Fixed.

IrelandSpirit

shleedance wrote: »

You sound like you belong here.

??? Bit below the belt dragging that comment up out of context and seeing as it got me banned for a month without warning or even a chance to retract it and the next time the mods deem anything I say 'offensive' I'm banned it's for life. What exactly is your point? I do realise that on this site we're not allowed to speak freely like adults and can only defend ourselves with sly petty passive-aggressive comments of the type you find in bad 1950's b-movies. Here's a nice picture of a 'cloud' for you. I hope you enjoy it, and we can be friends when you're off the meds and/or have been released into the custody of your carer. Get well soon, I mean it

shleedance

Still contrails. Try again.

Daithi 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOXt0BTOTN0

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

If you've not watched the videos, then how do you know they never explain the difference? At least try watching the last vid I provided for you from the United Nations, it's only about 17mins

Experience. I've seen videos like this before.
They never answer it, hence why I ask it.

I know these videos don't answer it because you can neither point to where they answer the question or explain it in your own words.

If they do contain the answers, I don't see why I should bother trolling through an hour of waffle when you couldn't be bothered to type a short sentence.

So until you can show otherwise, the question remains unanswered.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

So you're saying we're 'hypocrites' because we don't believe in your magic ice crystals and square clouds? Wrong word, perhaps try 'sane.'

No I'm sayingi it's hypocritical to accuse people of not thinking for themselves, then demand they believe everything you and "experts" say without question.

And again, you've not explained what is impossible or ridiculous about the non-conspiracy explanation.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

No. The point is they are credible and you won't go near actually challenging what they are saying, because you can't.

The point I am making is that you are using their authority in place of a good argument.
I don't bother challenging them because I don't think they offer anything worth challenging.
This is because the basis for their entire argument, that you can tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails, is flawed.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

At this stage? Quite honestly, yes. "Just clouds hanging in the sky, as they do?" http://cosmicconvergence.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/chem.jpeg

See above.

Again, no answers given.

IrelandSpirit

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shleedance

Anecdotal evidence once again. Doesn't prove anything but your laziness in research.

IrelandSpirit

shleedance wrote: »

Anecdotal evidence once again. Doesn't prove anything but your laziness in research.

lol Typical low-life response from someone who has provided no relevant research themselves, zero, and is evidently too lazy and/or incapable of offering any proof as regards your magic ice crystals theory! And not surprisingly, because it's simply nonsense. All you can do is jump up and down like retarded chimpanzees screeching, "Anecdotal! Anecdotal! Anecdotal!" lol You're not even using the word correctly, nor indeed 'evidence'. Pathetic. So here's another photograph of what you deniers claim are just "clouds hanging in the sky", contemplate the 'natural' wonder of the magic ice crystals while you pick and eat the flees from each other's beards.

IrelandSpirit

But for anybody who is actually interested in learning about Geoengineering / Climate Engineering: Full Presentation. Published on 12 Apr 2014

"THANKS AND CREDIT GOES TO: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
PLEASE VISIT THEIR SITE FOR MORE INFORMATION ..."

shleedance

...still contrails.

There is plenty of proof on how cloud formation/contrails are formed. Check any scientific journal/paper on the matter, which usually shows the data and how to conduct the experiments yourself to see if it's correct. It is verifiable, and one of my previous posts showed artists even using these scientific methods to make their own clouds.

It is ironic that you believe someone unquestionably when what they say is anecdotal at best, and yet you blast people for you know... questioning? Where are their sources, their data? Do they have any real evidence to back up their claims to begin with? Are you genuinely uncomfortable with this?

Fear of the unknown leads to wild speculation such as chemtrails, usually by people who are ill-educated or blatantly ignorant. Learn and study it, and it becomes the mundane.

shleedance

Here is a video relating to this - of course there's actual sources to back up his claims, despite his intention to entertain.

IrelandSpirit

shleedance wrote: »

It is verifiable, and one of my previous posts showed artists even using these scientific methods to make their own clouds.

Yep, and large-scale geoengineering is also verifiable, their clouds don't look half as pretty -- unless perhaps, you happen to be into Picasso style square grid 'clouds' -- but if you enjoy artificial chemical-blanket skies and having natural sunlight reduced, and/or generally don't even know what a real sky is supposed to like anymore, you won't care. Begs the question then, why waste any time and energy on something you don't even believe exists? I wouldn't.

shleedance wrote: »

It is ironic that you believe someone unquestionably when what they say is anecdotal at best, and yet you blast people for you know... questioning? Where are their sources, their data? Do they have any real evidence to back up their claims to begin with? Are you genuinely uncomfortable with this?

Nope. It's ironic that YOU deny everything that doesn't fit within your subjective reality, unquestionably -- do you really believe the guy in that video you posted? Quite laughable, if the issues he was covering we'rent so serious. If that's the level you're on, no hope! But then again, to be expected from people who believe clouds have always been square.

shleedance wrote: »

Fear of the unknown leads to wild speculation such as chemtrails, usually by people who are ill-educated or blatantly ignorant. Learn and study it, and it becomes the mundane.

Well, keep taking your dose of super milk then, at least 20% of sunlight no longer reaches the earth's surface and our natural light spectrum's out of whack due to your magic ice crystal spraying -- natural sunlight and vitamin D is vital to health and well-being.

shleedance

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Yep, and large-scale geoengineering is also verifiable

Sadly, it's not. Find me a reputable source with reliable data that proves otherwise. No "whistleblowers", clueless politicians or that sort.

Nope. It's ironic that YOU deny everything that doesn't fit within your subjective reality, unquestionably -- do you really believe the guy in that video you posted? Quite laughable, if the issues he was covering we'rent so serious. If that's the level you're on, no hope! But then again, to be expected from people who believe clouds have always been square.

His sources do back up what he's saying. The same papers etc. he mentions can be found in scientific journals - some of which I have read. The videos you post show little to no evidence and expects the viewer to simply believe what the person says - anecdotal evidence.

Relating to the video, details on HAARP and how it works is clearly shown on this site. There are further sources if you want detail:
http://vlf.stanford.edu/research/experiments-haarp-ionospheric-heater

Well, keep taking your dose of super milk then, at least 20% of sunlight no longer reaches the earth's surface and our natural light spectrum's out of whack due to your magic ice crystal spraying -- natural sunlight and vitamin D is vital to health and well-being.

I see you've a gross lack of knowledge of light too. That's great.

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Yep, and large-scale geoengineering is also verifiable, their clouds don't look half as pretty -- unless perhaps, you happen to be into Picasso style square grid 'clouds' --

But that's not verifiable. Theres no way to tell the difference between contails that form this pattern and the supposed chemtrails that do.
Or are you claiming that contrails do not form this pattern?

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Well, keep taking your dose of super milk then, at least 20% of sunlight no longer reaches the earth's surface and our natural light spectrum's out of whack due to your magic ice crystal spraying -- natural sunlight and vitamin D is vital to health and well-being.

How is our natural light spectrum "out of whack" exactly?

IrelandSpirit

shleedance wrote: »

Sadly, it's not. Find me a reputable source with reliable data that proves otherwise. No "whistleblowers", clueless politicians or that sort.

I have provided you with ample reputable sources that have provided reliable data, from US air force toxicologists who dealt directly with geoengineering programs to meteorologists who are brave enough to come forward with evidence of same -- and yet clearly, you have failed to take notice of this nor the evidence before your eyes, all you really need to do is look up at the sky. Why waste any time on any of you?

In fact, why are you wasting time and energy arguing about something you don't even believe exists? I wouldn't! Unless, of course, you're not right in the head and/or there's some kind of vested interest in doing so, such as a financial incentive perhaps, otherwise, you really do come across as a bit nuts here. Odd. You might as well go and argue about how many angels fit on a pinhead! lol

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10357119_10152174993553380_5118700803422611015_n.jpg

IrelandSpirit

King Mob wrote: »

How is our natural light spectrum "out of whack" exactly?

Because our skies are wrecked, artificial, does this chemical muck look natural?

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Because our skies are wrecked, artificial, does this chemical muck look natural?

No, it looks like contrails. What about this picture tells you that they aren't contrails?

And again, what exactly do you mean by "out of whack"? How do chemtrails affect the spectrum of light from the sun? Do they block certain wavelengths of light?

IrelandSpirit

This though, this is a natural sky with normal clouds. Remember? Can you tell the difference?

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10294379_518899694881152_8174168741632651053_n.jpg

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

This though, this is a natural sky with normal clouds. Remember? Can you tell the difference?

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10294379_518899694881152_8174168741632651053_n.jpg

Yes, those are clouds, not contrails. The pictures you keep showing as pictures of chemtrails are in fact showing contrails.

Again, do you believe that planes can form contrails that contain mostly water vapour and ice crystals? Or is every trails of white vapour behind a plane a chemtrail?

IrelandSpirit

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, those are clouds, not contrails. The pictures you keep showing as pictures of chemtrails are in fact showing contrails.

Again, do you believe that planes can form contrails that contain mostly water vapour and ice crystals? Or is every trails of white vapour behind a plane a chemtrail?

You sound like a broken with this question - I TOLD YO I HAVE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE! You want me to waste time/energy digging up my fukcing comments from months ago for you? Can't you even go back and READ? ffs ... go and count angels on pinheads or something ...

IrelandSpirit

HERE:

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Yes, I do believe in 'normal' contrails. And also in persistent contrails, sometimes called chemtrails by some, which appear to have become the 'new normal' as regards contrails, or pollution, as evidenced by the fact there so much plane smog in our skies, it's even reducing our sunlight. We both know this is true, it has been established by NASA, by chemtrail deniers and believers alike.

And as you perhaps also know, regardless of the toxicity of the methods employed ("various polluting chemicals caused by the burning of fuel"), reducing natural sunlight is detrimental to our health, can lead to many diseases, from depression to cancer. PubMed is full of studies in that regard, if you're interested. Humans need natural sunlight, as do plants and life in general.

This in itself should stop any bickering over semantics, chemtrail vs contrail, and instead focus our effort to clean up the sky. We're all affected by this, you, me our children, everybody, whether you or I believe contrails are chemtrails, or visa versa is actually irrelevant -- the sky is a mess regardless, the sun is blotted out regardless.

This is what is meant by 'only a fool fights in a burning house.'

King Mob

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

You sound like a broken with this question - I TOLD YO I HAVE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE! You want me to waste time/energy digging up my fukcing comments from months ago for you? Can't you even go back and READ? ffs ... go and count angels on pinheads or something ...

Yes, I do believe in 'normal' contrails. And also in persistent contrails, sometimes called chemtrails

Great. So since you believe that contrails exist, how do you know the trails in your pictures aren't contrails?

You can't tell if they persist from a still photo so you can't use that to determine the difference. And even still, there's no reason to believe that a normal contrail can't persist.

Also you said that the spectrum of light is out of whack. This is not the same as "reducing sunlight". Could you please explain what you mean by this.