Chemtrails debunked.

pfurey101

Daithi 1 wrote: »

At times like this I wish that these chemtards were telling the truth so that they can catch whats going or go into deep hiding. They really need to care more about the germs, bacteria and nasty little bugs that live in their keyboards. They do spend a lot time banging their keyboards.

After 70 years of their chemtrailing - genocide still awaits all of us.

Brown Bomber

pfurey101 wrote: »

At times like this I wish that these chemtards were telling the truth so that they can catch whats going or go into deep hiding.

Can you expand on why you wish illness on other people?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

No, I still don't. I'm not going to comment further on random, non-relevant stuff when you've no intention of answering my questions.

The is no indication of any form of the chemtrail conspiracy theory besides the photos of contrails.
Your "reasonable" version on the conspiracy theory is still based on it's most ridiculous element.

What this reads to me is "I know you are right but if I don't acknowledge it then I don't have to change from my dogma".

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

What this reads to me is "I know you are right but if I don't acknowledge it then I don't have to change from my dogma".

You've not offered anything to change my mind or address my points.

I asked you questions that would provide a basis for you to change my mind, but you don't want to answer them.

All of the stuff about Agent Orange is irrelevant.
If you are using it to suggest that the US has the will and ability to test things on the public, then it's irrelevant because no one is arguing against chemtrails on that basis.
If you are using it to show that the US might still be engaged in such tests, then it is irrelevant because Agent Orange is entirely different to claimed chemtrails in both behaviour and effects. The chemtrail conspiracy offers no evidence, reasoning or suggestion that such testing is going on now. If such testing is going on, it would be totally different and not at all like the testing or activities suggested by the conspiracy at any level.

There is no kernel of truth in the chemtrail conspiracy. The only reason it exist is because some people falsely believe that contrails are chemtrails and only offer pictures of contrails as evidence. Without these pictures there is no conspiracy theory.
The only way that these pictures can be evidence is if they are all chemtrails and/or there was some way to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails. You agree that neither of these things are true.

If the conspiracy is of a lower scale as you suggest, then you run into to problems. First, the vast majority of pictures of claimed chemtrails would be false, meaning that the chances of there being any photos of real chemtrails are nil. And second there's still no way to tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails so even if you had a picture of a real chemtrail, you'd never be able to tell.

So I asked you to explain what other basis you had to think that some form of the chemtrail conspiracy might exist. If you don't have one, then you have to rely on the pictures of contrails, which means you have to suggest that all of the pictures show chemtrails.
In other words, unless you have something else, the entire conspiracy relies on it's most outlandish part.

(Also it bares pointing out that no chemtrail believers are suggesting what you are suggesting. It's unfair for you to complain about people tackling the ridiculous conspiracy theory instead of yours when the one they are being presented with is the ridiculous conspiracy theory.)

Penn

Cut out the personal attacks and digs at each other or bans will start being handed out. Discuss the topic, not other posters.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

You've not offered anything to change my mind or address my points.

I asked you questions that would provide a basis for you to change my mind, but you don't want to answer them.

All of the stuff about Agent Orange is irrelevant.
If you are using it to suggest that the US has the will and ability to test things on the public, then it's irrelevant because no one is arguing against chemtrails on that basis.
If you are using it to show that the US might still be engaged in such tests, then it is irrelevant because Agent Orange is entirely different to claimed chemtrails in both behaviour and effects. The chemtrail conspiracy offers no evidence, reasoning or suggestion that such testing is going on now. If such testing is going on, it would be totally different and not at all like the testing or activities suggested by the conspiracy at any level.

There is no kernel of truth in the chemtrail conspiracy. The only reason it exist is because some people falsely believe that contrails are chemtrails and only offer pictures of contrails as evidence. Without these pictures there is no conspiracy theory.
The only way that these pictures can be evidence is if they are all chemtrails and/or there was some way to tell the difference between contrails and chemtrails. You agree that neither of these things are true.

If the conspiracy is of a lower scale as you suggest, then you run into to problems. First, the vast majority of pictures of claimed chemtrails would be false, meaning that the chances of there being any photos of real chemtrails are nil. And second there's still no way to tell the difference between chemtrails and contrails so even if you had a picture of a real chemtrail, you'd never be able to tell.

So I asked you to explain what other basis you had to think that some form of the chemtrail conspiracy might exist. If you don't have one, then you have to rely on the pictures of contrails, which means you have to suggest that all of the pictures show chemtrails.
In other words, unless you have something else, the entire conspiracy relies on it's most outlandish part.

(Also it bares pointing out that no chemtrail believers are suggesting what you are suggesting. It's unfair for you to complain about people tackling the ridiculous conspiracy theory instead of yours when the one they are being presented with is the ridiculous conspiracy theory.)

Bottom line is that there is the means, motive, total disregard for human life and the ability to work in and keep secret and precedents.

You have all but admitted that you could be getting poisoned staring up at a plane and you could be completely clueless.

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Bottom line is that there is the means, motive, total disregard for human life and the ability to work in and keep secret and precedents.

You have all but admitted that you could be getting poisoned staring up at a plane and you could be completely clueless.

Yes, they could be doing it. (Ignoring the various logistical and technical problems even with your scaled down theory.)
But no one is arguing against this.

People only argue that the conspiracy would be impossible is when it involves hundreds of thousands of people spraying all over the world all the time.
You agree with this.

But my points are:

1. That there is no indication that they are doing your version of the theory now.
2. There's no indication that anything similar to chemtrailing is occuring.
3. Even if there were such tests occuring now, the chemtrail conspiracy theory cannot offer any insight or evidence about it.
4. And that the entire chemtrail conspiracy theory relies on it's most ridiculous elements.

Daithi 1

Bottom line is, someone somewhere could well be testing somewhere. It makes sense that if they are considering some kind of aerosol spraying in future that they would test it, but maybe they are not.

All of us here know that contrails are contrails and have existed since the early 1900's when we flew at a certain altitude. But the people at the top of the chemtrails theory tell us that there is no such thing as contrails, that every trail in the sky is a chemtrail, that jets can not produce contrails.

So while testing could be going on, but we have no proof of it. Is there a collaboration of every country in the world to lie to us and spray the skies, extremely unlikely since the cant agree on the color of sh!t.

So while testing could be going on, but we have no proof of it. Is there a collaboration of every country in the world to lie to us and spray the skies, extremely unlikely since the cant agree on the color of sh!t. .............

Wrong, there's a global conspiracy called S.O.A.P.S. Right now I am being poisoned by exposure to Eastenders.... Damn my wife to hell............

You have all but admitted that you could be getting poisoned staring up at a plane and you could be completely clueless.

Correct......... the TV is poisoning me..........

pfurey101

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27907399

Or maybe just turn of the Chemtrail Dispersion Unit.

FWVT

Just to correct one thing he wrote: contrails are visible ICE CRYSTALS, not water vapour.

It may seem pedantic but it's actually an important point to remind people of. Some chemtrailers try to use this as a misleading argument against scientific debunks.

Daithi 1

Last few days have been a wet dream for chem enthusiasts. I can imagine millions of snaps been taken on phones all over the Country as 100% PROOF that chemtrails exist.. :rolleyes:

pfurey101

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Last few days have been a wet dream for chem enthusiasts. I can imagine millions of snaps been taken on phones all over the Country as 100% PROOF that chemtrails exist.. :rolleyes:

Visible ICE CRYSTAL trails Daithi 1.....Visible ICE CRYSTAL trails.

Daithi 1

pfurey101 wrote: »

Visible ICE CRYSTAL trails Daithi 1.....Visible ICE CRYSTAL trails.

AKA snow ?

Daithi 1

Heres that USAF weapon debating chemtrails...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To0vYRTbZjg

Daithi 1

My son is very sick and I PROMISED him I would do everything I could to make him better! Except take him to a doctor, that is. What should I do?
"Watch a movie".

FWVT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

My son is very sick and I PROMISED him I would do everything I could to make him better! Except take him to a doctor, that is. What should I do?
"Watch a movie".

Pity the names have been blackened out.

Daithi 1

Chembombs. At least chemtrails are on the decrease in some places.

FWVT

It really amazes me how low the IQ of the human race can get to. That and the quality of English.

Maudi

Killing us softley...500.000 thousand people suffering with alzheimers in the uk alone and scientists still arent sure of the causes..thats one unexplained illness but a hugh amount of people affected. .im keeping an open mind about what gas they are spraying as I see it turning the sky grey here most days...

FWVT

Of course you do. Yawwwn...

degrassinoel

FWVT wrote: »

Of course you do. Yawwwn...

Banned for a week. Yawwwn...

Daithi 1

Maudi wrote: »

Killing us softley...500.000 thousand people suffering with alzheimers in the uk alone and scientists still arent sure of the causes..thats one unexplained illness but a hugh amount of people affected. .im keeping an open mind about what gas they are spraying as I see it turning the sky grey here most days...

Keep an open mind that they are most likely not spraying, too.

pfurey101

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Chembombs. At least chemtrails are on the decrease in some places.

Where did "chembombs" come from? These people are very disturbing.


Cumulus clouds and a couple of heavy rain showers!

What next - chemrays????



Where do these headless gorms stops?

Daithi 1

Conspiracy websites have to keep reinventing chemtrails as they keep getting debunked. Has to get more and more exciting.

Absolam

Chemrays do look pretty cool.......

Beano

Absolam wrote: »

Chemrays do look pretty cool.......

or sunshine as it is known by lay people

Absolam

Beano wrote: »

or sunshine as it is known by lay people

That's what they want you to think. Surely you realise they're called lay people because they're laying the groundwork for the advent of the New Workd Order. Chemrays are just the beginning; if you mathematically reconstruct l a y you clearly get n w o.

Daithi 1

"No Trails, Why". He asked.

Beano

Daithi 1 wrote: »

"No Trails, Why". He asked.

contrails are a function of humidity and temperature. they are not always formed and even if formed can disappear quite quickly. You have not found some flaw in the arguments against you.

pfurey101

Querying the dots!

There be ghosts everwhere for these people......what hope have they!

degrassinoel

Using this topic to consistently poke fun at people on a facebook group is not debunking. Get it on track or find somewhere else to do it. By all means discuss the theories and provide your own point of view, the usual common sense rules found in the charter apply.

Daithi 1

degrassinoel wrote: »

Using this topic to consistently poke fun at people on a facebook group is not debunking. Get it on track or find somewhere else to do it. By all means discuss the theories and provide your own point of view, the usual common sense rules found in the charter apply.

I'm showing different chemtrail conspiracy theories in a chemtrail thread in the conspiracy forum.

Lighten up.

degrassinoel

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I'm showing different chemtrail conspiracy theories in a chemtrail thread in the conspiracy forum.

Lighten up.

The charter applies to all topics within CT. So you can either post accordingly or not post at all. Choose wisely.

FWVT

I think that a couple of years from now we won't be hearing much more from these people as they see themselves running out of "arguments" to support their "theory". Even the Daddy of them all, Russ from GlobalSkywatch (the guy who incidentally sells chemtrail antidotes to gullible followers - show me the FDA approval for those tablets please) now admits that there are no longer visible chemtrails but invisible ones that only he can detect with his superhero bloodhound senses.

But of course we have our own Russes here in Ireland, with the likes of Terry Lawton, who doesn't seem to have a job, as he spends his time harassing people in Wexford and travelling back and forth to the UK. A guy with a personality disorder and low self-esteem that require him to use this newly-found craze to get adoration on his Facebook page. I wonder how he funds all these activities and trips. The only worrying thing is the amount of people with IQs low enough to believe his waffle. I thought we were a more intelligent nation than that.

pfurey101

FWVT wrote: »

But of course we have our own Russes here in Ireland, with the likes of Terry Lawton, who doesn't seem to have a job, as he spends his time harassing people in Wexford and travelling back and forth to the UK. A guy with a personality disorder and low self-esteem that require him to use this newly-found craze to get adoration on his Facebook page. I wonder how he funds all these activities and trips. The only worrying thing is the amount of people with IQs low enough to believe his waffle. I thought we were a more intelligent nation than that.

Does he fly back and forth to the UK?

FWVT

I don't know, but that's the irony of it too. I'm sure these people fly just as much as the rest if us, so I wonder what they think when they look out the window and see no nozzles or other devices that they claim are being used.

Then again, I don't think these people are able to think for themselves anyway.

Daithi 1

The problem with these guys is that they want to believe it, it's not just that they do because of all the convincing evidence. Believing in chemtrails is cool to them, helps them feel part of the awakened in the know crew. They get offended if you tell them otherwise and any evidence to the contrary is falsified by government shills and trolls. Old movies and library books have ll been taken back and edited and re-released with contrail footage and passages to normalise it. The depths you have to go to, to support the chemtrail theory is quite incredible. Literally everyone on the planet apart from the chemtrail enthusiast must be in on the conspiracy.

jh79

Daithi 1 wrote: »

The problem with these guys is that they want to believe it, it's not just that they do because of all the convincing evidence. Believing in chemtrails is cool to them, helps them feel part of the awakened in the know crew. They get offended if you tell them otherwise and any evidence to the contrary is falsified by government shills and trolls. Old movies and library books have ll been taken back and edited and re-released with contrail footage and passages to normalise it. The depths you have to go to, to support the chemtrail theory is quite incredible. Literally everyone on the planet apart from the chemtrail enthusiast must be in on the conspiracy.

Pretty much can be applied to the majority of conspiracy theories IMO.

Seanachai

FWVT wrote: »

I think that a couple of years from now we won't be hearing much more from these people as they see themselves running out of "arguments" to support their "theory". Even the Daddy of them all, Russ from GlobalSkywatch (the guy who incidentally sells chemtrail antidotes to gullible followers - show me the FDA approval for those tablets please) now admits that there are no longer visible chemtrails but invisible ones that only he can detect with his superhero bloodhound senses.

But of course we have our own Russes here in Ireland, with the likes of Terry Lawton, who doesn't seem to have a job, as he spends his time harassing people in Wexford and travelling back and forth to the UK. A guy with a personality disorder and low self-esteem that require him to use this newly-found craze to get adoration on his Facebook page. I wonder how he funds all these activities and trips. The only worrying thing is the amount of people with IQs low enough to believe his waffle. I thought we were a more intelligent nation than that.

He may possibly be misguided in his pursuit but that seems like a lot of vitriol towards the guy. I don't think he's harassing people at least not from the videos I've seen, he seems like a pretty cool guy. Why would you resent him flying to the UK if he was unemployed, would you begrudge him a car also or the odd holiday?. People with high IQ's are also susceptible to believing 'waffle' without scrutinisng it too much esp if it comes from a peer reviewed journal. I know people with high IQ's who would prob kill themselves if they were let loose with some power tools in a shed.

Brown Bomber

FWVT wrote: »

I think that a couple of years from now we won't be hearing much more from these people as they see themselves running out of "arguments" to support their "theory". Even the Daddy of them all, Russ from GlobalSkywatch (the guy who incidentally sells chemtrail antidotes to gullible followers - show me the FDA approval for those tablets please) now admits that there are no longer visible chemtrails but invisible ones that only he can detect with his superhero bloodhound senses.

But of course we have our own Russes here in Ireland, with the likes of Terry Lawton, who doesn't seem to have a job, as he spends his time harassing people in Wexford and travelling back and forth to the UK. A guy with a personality disorder and low self-esteem that require him to use this newly-found craze to get adoration on his Facebook page. I wonder how he funds all these activities and trips. The only worrying thing is the amount of people with IQs low enough to believe his waffle. I thought we were a more intelligent nation than that.

Is this some kind of personal crusade? Facebook stalking and on first name terms with people who think the emissions from a plane is something different to what you believe - You know way too much about something you consider as utter nonsense. What is your angle here? Why do you care so much?

Seanachai

jh79 wrote: »

Pretty much can be applied to the majority of conspiracy theories IMO.

jh79 wrote: »

Pretty much can be applied to the majority of conspiracy theories IMO.

The problem is and I've been guilty of this myself is having a suspicion that some of the mainstream information about events is bogus and then taking it too far. This applies to things that happen in a town and globally, you often don't get the real skinny unless you actually talk to somebody in the know. You can think that you're well informed because you watch all the right news programs and read the right newspapers but how reliable is this information really?. There are prob people involved in the story who could give you information that would completely change your perspective. There are groups out there with their own agendas in politics, military etc and the conspiracies are historical record.

With some people the paranoia can be taken to an extreme so that everything that is mainstream is instantly suspect, but this doesn't mean that the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater. There's too much polarisation with the 'conspiracy nut' on one end and the pseudo-skeptic on the other. I couldn't get along with either of these extremes and instantly dismissing anything that involves conspiracy or anything that comes from the mainstream isn't healthy. In between there are more level headed people who acknowledge that conspiracies do exist just not to the extent that the internet conspiracy mill promotes.

Maybe they are spraying something from the planes and maybe they're not, if the chemtrails theory is completely untrue then that doesn't mean that there aren't other agendas being played out regarding GM food, social engineering etc.

Beano

Seanachai wrote: »

He may possibly be misguided in his pursuit but that seems like a lot of vitriol towards the guy. ...

perhaps because he is defrauding people with snake oil cures?

weisses

Beano wrote: »

perhaps because he is defrauding people with snake oil cures?

Perhaps he's a Fisherman

FWVT

Of course I don't begrudge anyone a holiday, etc., but these are, according to him, more like "fact-finding missions" to Welsh radar sites, the UK Met Office, etc. with his UK chemtrailer buddies. His videos state that. He seems to be at this almost full-time. Fine if he's loaded and can afford it, but not so if he's on the dole, in which case we're funding him.

As to Facebook stalking? Please. His page was pointed out to me after he wanted my personal details posted on his site for all to see. His video "analysis" of my debunk contained personal attacks, typical of these guys. I couldn't care less what he says, but I will continue to expose him for the fraud he his, targeting young schoolkids in many of his public demonstrations.

Seanachai

Beano wrote: »

perhaps because he is defrauding people with snake oil cures?

What are the snake oil cures?, I can't access his website from here.

Beano

Seanachai wrote: »

What are the snake oil cures?, I can't access his website from here.

these

FWVT wrote: »

Even the Daddy of them all, Russ from GlobalSkywatch (the guy who incidentally sells chemtrail antidotes to gullible followers - show me the FDA approval for those tablets please) now admits that there are no longer visible chemtrails but invisible ones that only he can detect with his superhero bloodhound senses.

Brown Bomber

FWVT wrote: »

Of course I don't begrudge anyone a holiday, etc., but these are, according to him, more like "fact-finding missions" to Welsh radar sites, the UK Met Office, etc. with his UK chemtrailer buddies. His videos state that. He seems to be at this almost full-time. Fine if he's loaded and can afford it, but not so if he's on the dole, in which case we're funding him.

As to Facebook stalking? Please. His page was pointed out to me after he wanted my personal details posted on his site for all to see. His video "analysis" of my debunk contained personal attacks, typical of these guys. I couldn't care less what he says, but I will continue to expose him for the fraud he his, targeting young schoolkids in many of his public demonstrations.

Right. So it's a personal vendetta against him then. Whoever it is he isn't a public person so discussing him on a public forum using his full name when you are using a pseudonym and he isn't even here to defend himself comes across as a little tacky IMO.

Besides, I seriously doubt you are aware of his employment status or his mental health records.

Brown Bomber

Beano wrote: »

these

Where can I buy "these"? They don't seem to be available here at least
http://globalskywatch.com/mall/#.U_d__mNvpOk

Daithi 1

Here is one of his websites. If you click on 'Herb and Vitamin reference' you will see a list of products including a specific chemtrail products at the top.

Also, if you scroll down to the bottom you see his references to chemtrails in the bible and other stuff.


http://orbisvitae.com/

He's also the CEO of this company.

http://herballure.com/

From his facebook : Do chemtrails contain mercury ? Of course thy do. And you have the cure on your website, luckily.



To ad, Russ is one who believes (pretends) that contrails don't exist. That jets can not produce them and that any pictures from ww2 of jets making trails are all fake and that news bulletins that I posted at the start of this thread are all fake, put there by gov goons.