Teeth Implants

tooth_doc

patob wrote: »

Hi,
Need a molar implant and researching the options for about 6 months - need to make decision soon.

Seriously considering an option for an Alpha Bio implant from Irish outfit (GDC/DCI). Alpha Bio appear to be one of the less costly brands, from an Israeli manufacturer (with 60% of Israeli market so must be decent product). In addition, I understand that they were bought out by premium manufacturer Nobel Biocare a few years ago. Any advice would be very welcome by PM etc.

all implants are titanium and done well by someone with enough training and experience will join to your bone, the only issue with choosing an exotic make of an implant which is not commonly used in the country you live in is, if at all anything happens and you need to change /house/job/dentist to name but a few, it will be very difficult for a new practitioner to take over your care because the components and tools needed to maintain the alpha bio might not be the one that your new practitioner uses. Then you are stuck, if you live in israel then no problem because israelis will use the israeli company and will have more people using it. Since you are in Ireland you need to find somebody who uses the most common type used in Ireland or the UK IMHO otherwise it is false economy

ballsymchugh

patob wrote: »

Hi,
Need a molar implant and researching the options for about 6 months - need to make decision soon.

Seriously considering an option for an Alpha Bio implant from Irish outfit (GDC/DCI). Alpha Bio appear to be one of the less costly brands, from an Israeli manufacturer (with 60% of Israeli market so must be decent product). In addition, I understand that they were bought out by premium manufacturer Nobel Biocare a few years ago. Any advice would be very welcome by PM etc.

checking the brand of an implant isn't really the way forward. there are plenty of brands out there that different dentists/specialists use which all have their good points.
you could go out of your way to find someone that uses a particular brand only for them to be shyte at it or even that you're not suitable for an implant.
your best bet is to get a recommendation on a dentist that will do the implant, and go with whatever system they use.

rockluck

Can anybody recommend a dentist that does dental implants in connacht preferably Mayo?? Thanks

patob

tooth_doc wrote: »

all implants are titanium and done well by someone with enough training and experience will join to your bone, the only issue with choosing an exotic make of an implant which is not commonly used in the country you live in is, if at all anything happens and you need to change /house/job/dentist to name but a few, it will be very difficult for a new practitioner to take over your care because the components and tools needed to maintain the alpha bio might not be the one that your new practitioner uses. Then you are stuck, if you live in israel then no problem because israelis will use the israeli company and will have more people using it. Since you are in Ireland you need to find somebody who uses the most common type used in Ireland or the UK IMHO otherwise it is false economy

Anyone know what are the most common implant brands used in Ireland?

Oral Surgeon

patob wrote: »

Anyone know what are the most common implant brands used in Ireland?

Probably nobel, strauman, ankylos and 3i, I'm guessing. Don't stress about the actual brand. Would you research what prosthetic valve your heart surgeon uses??? No, you would trust that if the guy is well qualified, he/she has researched it and will use the appropriate materials and components for your situation....
Your time is better spent researching the qualifications, experience and previous cases of your implant surgeon and prosthodontist....

OS

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Branemark, Alpha Bio, Sky, Southern, Bicon, Astra the ones OS named...and each system has about 30 different types in the catalog. There are over 2000 (2000 x 30 = 60,000 unique designs of implant) implant system worldwide. It seems like a good thing to research, but as OS said, you generally dont ask your carpenter what screws they use, you develop confidence from their qualification, experience and work they have done, and trust that a competent operator uses good components.

patob

Oral Surgeon wrote: »

Probably nobel, strauman, ankylos and 3i, I'm guessing. Don't stress about the actual brand. Would you research what prosthetic valve your heart surgeon uses??? No, you would trust that if the guy is well qualified, he/she has researched it and will use the appropriate materials and components for your situation....
Your time is better spent researching the qualifications, experience and previous cases of your implant surgeon and prosthodontist....

OS

Fair enough. Unfortunately I am the type that researches in detail exactly what is going to be screwed into my jaw bone for the next 20 years if I am lucky.
However maybe someone can you tell me exactly what qualifications I should look for from Dentists offering implant services here. I have seen all kinds of qualifications and they are dufficult to assess. Some of the practioners I have looked at hold qualifications from other EU states.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

The first question is if you wish to see a specialist or not. General dentists can place implants just fine, however more complex or delicate cases are often best referred to specialists who do them more often. A general dentist will offer a range of services such as filling, braces, crowns, implants while a specialist will generally stick to one area of dentistry.

There is an outdated specialist register in ireland. But in the civilized world there are specialties of orthodontics, oral surgery, prosthodontics, periodontics, paedodontics, special care.

Implants fall into the remit of several specialties, however there is the placement of the implant (periodontics, oral surgery) and the restoration of the implants (prosthodontics). If you are going down the specialist route then a prosthodontist is often the best first port of call as they are the "Architects" of the treatment. Sometimes a general dentist will restore the implant themselves and refer the placement to a specialist.

You will know a specialist because they have completed a minimum of 3 years FULL TIME postgraduate training in a training hospital. Usually they will have a masters or doctorate in their specialty. There are a number of part time, correspondence courses, and one year diplomas, however these qualification while not without merit dd not a specialist make.

When researching a specialist will overtly state their qualification. Talk of experience, or self made claims of excellence mean nothing. When researching a general dentist for treatment look of examples of their work usually good quality photographs of cases. Testimonials mean nothing as they are unverifiable. Do the same for specialists, every specialist should have loads of photos of cases.

Always be suspicious of deals that are too good to be true, they always are. A clinics ability to preform marketing successfully does not mean they also do clinical work as well. Avoid high speed, low cost dentistry especially if its done while on holiday. People who advocate this generally are overstating their satisification with the work to reinforce their decision, and there are usually multiple middlemen and shills skimming off the top who will tell you what you want to hear.

It is a very difficult decision. The best way IMHO is to ask you trusted family dentist for a recommendation or referral.

patob

Jurnee Sparse Snowstorm wrote: »

The first question is if you wish to see a specialist or not. General dentists can place implants just fine, however more complex or delicate cases are often best referred to specialists who do them more often. A general dentist will offer a range of services such as filling, braces, crowns, implants while a specialist will generally stick to one area of dentistry.

There is an outdated specialist register in ireland. But in the civilized world there are specialties of orthodontics, oral surgery, prosthodontics, periodontics, paedodontics, special care.

Implants fall into the remit of several specialties, however there is the placement of the implant (periodontics, oral surgery) and the restoration of the implants (prosthodontics). If you are going down the specialist route then a prosthodontist is often the best first port of call as they are the "Architects" of the treatment. Sometimes a general dentist will restore the implant themselves and refer the placement to a specialist.

You will know a specialist because they have completed a minimum of 3 years FULL TIME postgraduate training in a training hospital. Usually they will have a masters or doctorate in their specialty. There are a number of part time, correspondence courses, and one year diplomas, however these qualification while not without merit dd not a specialist make.

When researching a specialist will overtly state their qualification. Talk of experience, or self made claims of excellence mean nothing. When researching a general dentist for treatment look of examples of their work usually good quality photographs of cases. Testimonials mean nothing as they are unverifiable. Do the same for specialists, every specialist should have loads of photos of cases.

Always be suspicious of deals that are too good to be true, they always are. A clinics ability to preform marketing successfully does not mean they also do clinical work as well. Avoid high speed, low cost dentistry especially if its done while on holiday. People who advocate this generally are overstating their satisification with the work to reinforce their decision, and there are usually multiple middlemen and shills skimming off the top who will tell you what you want to hear.

It is a very difficult decision. The best way IMHO is to ask you trusted family dentist for a recommendation or referral.

Many thanks for information, I will use this to check the qualifications and experience of the implant service provider.

swanangel

I don't have implants, I have a lot of crowns but where I went (in Dublin)to get them is excellent and they do implants I will send you details if you like?

I got my wisdom teeth done there so I know the Oral surgeon is great, they said I might need implants in the future and I wouldn't think of going anywhere else I don't know about prices but these guys don't work with crap so you will get top notch implants.

nialln

Could someone PM me the details of a good place in Dublin for this too? Thinking of getting a gap in the back filled for a while now and this year might just be the year to get it done!

Thanks in advance to anyone who does

COYW

I had implant and partial crowns work done in Dublin last year and was delighted with the results. The range of pricing in the area shocked me, the implants in particular. Shop around for definite. Visit the practice and discuss the procedure with the dentist and make sure you are happy before undergoing it.

Having been through the procedure, I would advise people to get this done here, as opposed to abroad. The area near the implant, will be tender and bruised with a small amount of bleeding on cleaning for a few days after getting them done and I wouldn't fancy flying in that condition. You need to be rinsing with warm salty water etc frequently after getting them done for a few days too. Better off at home as opposed to stuck on a plane or in some hotel for that.

davo10

COYW wrote: »

I had implant and partial crowns work done in Dublin last year and was delighted with the results. The range of pricing in the area shocked me, the implants in particular. Shop around for definite.

Proof of a well functioning market based on range of quality, expertise and demand ? Rather than the usual claptrap about price fixing and cartelling.

COYW

davo10 wrote: »

Proof of a well functioning market based on range of quality, expertise and demand ? Rather than the usual claptrap about price fixing and cartelling.

Absolutely, shop around and you will get a good deal in terms of quality and cost. The most expensive quote I got, €3000 per implant, was with a dentist that I wouldn't let near my mouth with a drill. He was hopeless when it came to answering my questions. The implant dentist I went with in the end was the complete opposite and whilst she wasn't the cheapest in comparison to some of the other dentists I met, I felt that I got a really good deal and I was happy with the work. Others have commented on how good my teeth look too.

Suasdaguna1

It must be a gruesome experience getting ones gums sliced and the jaw drilled into. Im in the firing line to get a lower incisor extracted but im planking it re the procedure to replace same.

False teeth and bridges no thx.

Can any of the pro's ease my fears so i can get on with it?

ballsymchugh

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

It must be a gruesome experience getting ones gums sliced and the jaw drilled into. Im in the firing line to get a lower incisor extracted but im planking it re the procedure to replace same.

False teeth and bridges no thx.

Can any of the pro's ease my fears so i can get on with it?

it'll be no more unpleasant than having the tooth removed. if you think of it graphically, then you'll get bogged down in it. in the right hands, it's very straightforward.

COYW

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

It must be a gruesome experience getting ones gums sliced and the jaw drilled into. Im in the firing line to get a lower incisor extracted but im planking it re the procedure to replace same.

False teeth and bridges no thx.

Can any of the pro's ease my fears so i can get on with it?

I can tell you that I found the drilling from getting fillings done far more uncomfortable than any part of the implant procedure. The incision took seconds. I got the option of a local or full anesthetic. I took the local.

As I said previously, you have to take care of the implant after you get it done, cleaning etc but pain wise a molar filling is worse. I had a small bit of swelling on my gum where the implant was for a day or two after but nothing significant.

helimachoptor

would echo the above, the implant procedure is is fine, some local, incision drilling and then thats it

Banbh

Me too. Less intrusive than a filling. Some dentists will give you a sedative if you're nervous that will have you smiling for the rest of the day but you'll need a lift home.

ellavin

I git my bottom front tooth knocked out and tooth beside it was damaged to so he took all nerves out am 21 was horrible as I always cared for teeth because of my fear.. I now have and fake tooth in I can't get use too.. I am booking this week to start and bricking it after last time! What's a tooth embedded in me gonna be like but I really need it done..

ellavin

Omg after reading some comments previous

ellavin wrote: »

I git my bottom front tooth knocked out and tooth beside it was damaged to so he took all nerves out am 21 was horrible as I always cared for teeth because of my fear.. I now have and fake tooth in I can't get use too.. I am booking this week to start and bricking it after last time! What's a tooth embedded in me gonna be like but I really need it done..

Suasdaguna1

ellavin wrote: »

Omg after reading some comments previous

Whats more important? Planking it re getting your teeth fixed or being 21 with teeth that need repair..... I'd be on the boat of feck I'll get my teeth fixed as my whole life is ahead of me. Im booked in to get a molar removed and to kick off the process of an implant......if your nervous etc sedation is your only man. Im going the sedation route and will let the pro's empty my mouth and wallet.

ellavin

Listen I have saved up the money I only have half of it hoping i can do a pay plan with the rest.. I had to get root treatment in the tooth beside it which I ended up putting my back out on chair. Yeah am 21 with teeth needing repair but obviously wasn't due to me not taking care of them .. yeah I definitely will be getting putvto sleep f@$ k that I wonder how sore its gonna be after implant and whats he gonna do with the other one as its gone yellow its horrible being 21 and like this

Suasdaguna1 wrote: »

Whats more important? Planking it re getting your teeth fixed or being 21 with teeth that need repair..... I'd be on the boat of feck I'll get my teeth fixed as my whole life is ahead of me. Im booked in to get a molar removed and to kick off the process of an implant......if your nervous etc sedation is your only man. Im going the sedation route and will let the pro's empty my mouth and wallet.

Mollymarlene

Hallo, have been researching this a lot and was hoping someone could pm m with any personal recommendations for implants. I have one recommendation for a dentist in fuengirola that two friends have used for implants (it's a Swiss dentist) and it is much cheaper but am mindful of what everyone saying here around going abroad but if I need three implants, I'm looking at 3k v 6k here.. Surely there are many reputable dentists abroad as well. What about all the Spanish patients who need implants? Thy have to go somewhere too?? Tks!

davo10

Mollymarlene wrote: »

Hallo, have been researching this a lot and was hoping someone could pm m with any personal recommendations for implants. I have one recommendation for a dentist in fuengirola that two friends have used for implants (it's a Swiss dentist) and it is much cheaper but am mindful of what everyone saying here around going abroad but if I need three implants, I'm looking at 3k v 6k here.. Surely there are many reputable dentists abroad as well. What about all the Spanish patients who need implants? Thy have to go somewhere too?? Tks!

Reputable dentists in every country, but implants are not like having a filling, there is surgery and multiple visits involved, there are many more things that can go wrong so a lot more variables to consider, qualifications, experience, type of implants, treatment planning, travel, what happens if complications arise, warranty, patient complaint policy, legal considerations etc. if you get a top surgeon, using top implants, planned well and have no complications then you will have saved €3k, if something goes wrong then you take responsibility.

tangerine2

Hi, I need to get 2 implants soon. Can any one recommend who is good please (PM)? I would be highly obliged for this help. Thanks.

helimachoptor

tangerine2 wrote: »

Hi, I need to get 2 implants soon. Can any one recommend who is good please (PM)? I would be highly obliged for this help. Thanks.

whats your location?

tangerine2

helimachoptor wrote: »

whats your location?

I'm located in Galway, but the location doesn't really matter, can go almost countrywide.

stooge

same here. Can someone pm me with recommendations? midlands preferably

James 007

Guys, can someone recommend a dentist based in both northside and the southside of Dublin who has looked after them with implants recently and let us know the associated costs etc. Please PM me with both the details and the costs. Thanks