Any plans for an Aldi store in South Dublin close to the coast?

strandroad

Has anyone heard about any plans Aldi may have to open in South County, in the belt from Blackrock through DL to to Killiney? There doesn't seem to be any store between the N11 and the coast, the nearest one is in Sandyford which is not the worst but still a bit of a drive. I think Greystones and Terenure were the only ones mentioned recently.
Love Aldi but would love to have it closer!

annieoburns

Supposed to be one opening on the Blakes site at Stillorgan/N11 junction, a bit nearer for you!

Anyone

I thought Aldi had bought the old Iceland shop in Dun Laoghaire recently?

Larbre34

The old Iceland shop site in Dun laoghaire has been the location of an unfinished apartment development for the last 5 years.

silverharp

if they see this there is a lovely site where the glass bottle company used to be near the East link....twould be perfect and ye would hoover up all the business from the local Tesco which is rubbish

rubadub

Always thought it was weird to have 2 lidls so close (pottery road & deansgrange) and no aldi until the sandyford one opened.

strandroad

There's a Lidl in Stillorgan too... plenty of those! But a curious dearth of Aldis

Tabnabs

Larbre34 wrote: »

The old Iceland shop site in Dun laoghaire has been the location of an unfinished apartment development for the last 5 years.

OT, but I see the work has resumed on this development.

Larbre34

Tabnabs wrote: »

OT, but I see the work has resumed on this development.

Really?? Thats a 'pigs have flown' momen!. Its certainly a great location for apartment living, I wonder did NAMA have a hand in releasing capital to someone, AFAIK the original developer Tuskar ceased to exist right at the beginning of the collapse.

Either way, will be glad to see the back of that particular eyesore, from the rear on Georges Place it looks like a bomb site.

Fratton Fred

Larbre34 wrote: »

Really?? Thats a 'pigs have flown' momen!. Its certainly a great location for apartment living, I wonder did NAMA have a hand in releasing capital to someone, AFAIK the original developer Tuskar ceased to exist right at the beginning of the collapse.

Either way, will be glad to see the back of that particular eyesore, from the rear on Georges Place it looks like a bomb site.

Wasn't it the same guys that owned the site on the Dundrum bypass, the silver apartments that were condemned?

Alias G

rubadub wrote: »

Always thought it was weird to have 2 lidls so close (pottery road & deansgrange) and no aldi until the sandyford one opened.

Was stipulated in the planning permission for the deansgrange store that the second store be opened to alleviate traffic.

bdeithrick

mhge wrote: »

Has anyone heard about any plans Aldi may have to open in South County, in the belt from Blackrock through DL to to Killiney? There doesn't seem to be any store between the N11 and the coast, the nearest one is in Sandyford which is not the worst but still a bit of a drive. I think Greystones and Terenure were the only ones mentioned recently.
Love Aldi but would love to have it closer!

Greystones is open in jam 17 and bray is open on Boghall road

Hoop66

There was talk of an Aldi going in the development at the Sallynoggin roundabout, but that seems to have stalled, and with the Tesco going into park Pointe it 's unlikely they'll find any large grocery tenant for it.

ted1

bdeithrick wrote: »

Greystones is open in jam 17 and bray is open on Boghall road

both are in Wicklow, no in south dublin

strandroad

Hoop66 wrote: »

There was talk of an Aldi going in the development at the Sallynoggin roundabout, but that seems to have stalled, and with the Tesco going into park Pointe it 's unlikely they'll find any large grocery tenant for it.

That would be perfect if it happened!

bdeithrick

ted1 wrote: »

both are in Wicklow, no in south dublin

Yes they are well done. I'm very aware off that , they are the 3 most southerly ones in reach of the dart ( noting the commuter areas )

ted1

do people actually get the Dart to Aldi? the Boghall road is no where near the DART station

I can't see people form South Dublin going to Aldi in Greystones.

Mick Murdock

Is the old Iceland site the place just up from the library (opposite side) that's been idle for a few years. I had almost grown so used to it that I forgot it's been like that for so long..

There was new boarding/scaffolding erected in the last few months but don't think any progress has been made since?

annieoburns

I thought the old Blake's site at Stillorgan on the N11 was to become an Aldi? but no activity on site when last passed by.

coylemj

annieoburns wrote: »

I thought the old Blake's site at Stillorgan on the N11 was to become an Aldi? but no activity on site when last passed by.

That would almost certainly be refused PP based on traffic concerns. Getting up the hill from the Stillorgan Orchard pub is a nightmare, usually caused by a bottleneck at the top of the hill thanks to a parked delivery truck, throw in an Aldi on the old Blakes site and it would be a complete nightmare. Two ways in but only one way out = gridlock. The site is suitable for a restaurant because even when it's busy, the traffic volumes are small since most customers are there for an hour or so, a supermarket would generate far higher volumes of traffic which that area cannot cater for.

annieoburns

But there is established commercial use on the site?

ted1

coylemj wrote: »

That would almost certainly be refused PP based on traffic concerns. Getting up the hill from the Stillorgan Orchard pub is a nightmare, usually caused by a bottleneck at the top of the hill thanks to a parked delivery truck, throw in an Aldi on the old Blakes site and it would be a complete nightmare. Two ways in but only one way out = gridlock. The site is suitable for a restaurant because even when it's busy, the traffic volumes are small since most customers are there for an hour or so, a supermarket would generate far higher volumes of traffic which that area cannot cater for.

They would change the entrance, that's not an issue. There was plans for quite a large and high complex there

coylemj

annieoburns wrote: »

But there is established commercial use on the site?

I don't claim to be an expert on PP but I've seen applications in respect of commercial premises for 'change of use'. PP typically would set out what type of commercial operation is approved i.e. just because you opened a nursing home on a site doesn't mean you could change it to a supermarket without reapplying for PP.

Aard

coylemj wrote: »

That would almost certainly be refused PP based on traffic concerns. Getting up the hill from the Stillorgan Orchard pub is a nightmare, usually caused by a bottleneck at the top of the hill thanks to a parked delivery truck, throw in an Aldi on the old Blakes site and it would be a complete nightmare. Two ways in but only one way out = gridlock. The site is suitable for a restaurant because even when it's busy, the traffic volumes are small since most customers are there for an hour or so, a supermarket would generate far higher volumes of traffic which that area cannot cater for.

That's hardly sufficient reason to refuse permission. Parking spaces could just be limited by condition.

coylemj

ted1 wrote: »

They would change the entrance, that's not an issue. There was plans for quite a large and high complex there

Change the entrance to where? No way would anyone opening a premises on the Blakes site be allowed to open a new entrance onto the N11 or the hill running from the N11 up to the bowling alley. The previous owners of Blakes would have done that years ago if it was ever a runner.

coylemj

Aard wrote: »

That's hardly sufficient reason to refuse permission. Parking spaces could just be limited by condition.

'Traffic concerns' was the reason why the locals successfully objected to more than one application to redevelop Stillorgan shopping centre. If the area can't take more traffic, that is perfectly reasonable (and legally sound) grounds for denying planning permission for 'change of use' which would generate extra traffic.

EricPraline

Aard wrote: »

That's hardly sufficient reason to refuse permission. Parking spaces could just be limited by condition.

As pointed out above, it's a perfectly sound reason. Limiting parking spaces doesn't solve the problem. It would just mean that shoppers would park in the already clogged Stillorgan SC car park. If we were talking about somewhere close to the city such as Ranelagh, your suggestion might work. But the site is in a very suburban area which is unfriendly for pedestrians and often a traffic nightmare for drivers.

wowy

A quick planning search on the DLRCC website shows that the application was granted by DLRCC in September 2011.

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D11A/0175&theTabNo=3&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201282%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=1328293%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201282%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

The planner's report noted there'll be 64 car parking spaces, which is deemed to be acceptable according the Development Plan car parking standards. The max allowed would have been 76, so parking was never really going to be a problem.

The applicant (Eltissey Ltd) is related to Treasury Holdings, so the collapse of Treasury is probably what has delayed matters. John Spain & Associates were the agents for the application, and they do Aldi's work in Dublin, so 2+2=.....

wowy

coylemj wrote: »

'Traffic concerns' was the reason why the locals successfully objected to more than one application to redevelop Stillorgan shopping centre. If the area can't take more traffic, that is perfectly reasonable (and legally sound) grounds for denying planning permission for 'change of use' which would generate extra traffic.

Planning for the redevelopment of the centre was granted in 2005 and appealed to ABP who upheld the application in 2006, and a 5-year extension of the permission was granted by the Council in October 2011. Development needs to be completed by August 2016 for this permission to stay live.

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D05A/0215/E&theTabNo=2&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201296%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=1328309%26StartIndex=21%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=1201296%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E'%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E

coylemj

wowy wrote: »

Planning for the redevelopment of the centre was granted in 2005 and appealed to ABP who upheld the application in 2006, and a 5-year extension of the permission was granted by the Council in October 2011. Development needs to be completed by August 2016 for this permission to stay live.

Well it clearly isn't going to happen because Donnybrook Fair, Starbucks and most recently Mao's restaurant wouldn't have spent the money they did on their units if the whole place was going to be redeveloped.

ted1

coylemj wrote: »

Well it clearly isn't going to happen because Donnybrook Fair, Starbucks and most recently Mao's restaurant wouldn't have spent the money they did on their units if the whole place was going to be redeveloped.

You would be surprised, plenty of examples where they have redeveloped around existing units.