2013-4 Heineken Cup Discussion Thread

phog

No try

vetinari

And as I say it another major decision for Saracens

Davei141

This is disastrous refereeing.

WeegWarriors

LOL what a dive by Farrell

Taco Corp

Farrell could play football with those acting skills

Diabhal Beag

Just when you thought you couldn't hate Sarries more

AdamD

Farrell's dive vindicated. Jesus Christ Owens

Podge_irl

danthefan wrote: »

Not really sure that's a defence. The ref has decided James stopped Saracens from having a chance to score by knocking the ball off the pitch (which is obviously illegal), whether he meant it or not he's still done it and still stopped Saracens from having their scoring chance.

But knocking the ball out of play isn't an offence. Doing it deliberately is.

sydthebeat

What is wrong with that runner? The man wasnt in a tackling position?

WeegWarriors

Saracens going from QF to F with the assists of refereeing decisions.

greendom

Very poor from Owens

Heroditas

Look at that fat bald w@nker in the crowd goading the Clermont fans behind him.

vetinari

He's normally a good referee but he's doing a major Joubert on this game

awec

What's the score?

danthefan

WTF are the lot of you on about?

Why the hell is a Clermont player in front of the ball running into defenders? It's completely his fault.

neilmulvey

sydthebeat wrote: »

What is wrong with that runner? The man wasnt in a tackling position?

yeah thought that was a home side decision. Didnt prevent any tackle at all.

razorblunt

WeegWarriors wrote: »

LOL what a dive by Farrell

Nothing wrong really, players are repeatedly told to draw attention to cases like that.

Barnes just flipped from a no crossing to yes crossing very quickly there. Typical.

its_phil

Nice to see Saracens owner rubbing off on their fans. Is there a more despised team in rugby?

matthew8

You're not allowed take players out like that. It gave Sivivatu a lot of time on the ball which created the try. Fair call.

sydthebeat

danthefan wrote: »

WTF are the lot of you on about?

Why the hell is a Clermont player in front of the ball running into defenders? It's completely his fault.

Runners are allowed to get ahead to fix defenders, they are not allowed obstruct defenders making tackles. .... which i would argue he didn't.

LeeroyJones

danthefan wrote: »

Not really sure that's a defence. The ref has decided James stopped Saracens from having a chance to score by knocking the ball off the pitch (which is obviously illegal), whether he meant it or not he's still done it and still stopped Saracens from having their scoring chance.

that is the defence.

You're not allowed to deliberately throw the ball out - only run or kick it out.

If it's accidentally thrown out it's treated as a normal.

Owens was originally going to call it as such until he was advised to look again by the TMO.

awec

Lads seriously if you're posting updates include the score.

Taco Corp

awec wrote: »

Lads seriously if you're posting updates include the score.

14-6

.ak

Jesus c'mon clermont, please beat them. Sarries fans letting the side down.

vetinari

It didn't create the try and is a common tactic by every team. Watch the replay

Taco Corp

saracens maul defence has look pretty good. unfortunately

danthefan

sydthebeat wrote: »

Runners are allowed to get ahead to fix defenders, they are not allowed obstruct defenders making tackles. .... which i would argue he didn't.

Well anyone ahead of the ball influencing play is technically offside, but anyway he didn't just fix a defender, he took out a defender. He gave the ref a decision to make - completely his fault.

Tomtom364

Saracens crowd silenced already.
Didn't take much.

thomond2006

Mark McCall should be brought in somewhere in the Ireland / provincial setup.

Podge_irl

vetinari wrote: »

It didn't create the try and is a common tactic by every team. Watch the replay

If the Clermont player had passed quicker he'd be fine. Once he changed his line and actually ran behind the "dummy runner" it was game over.

awec

Oh hell no. How long left?

I feel sick.

19543261

That was a quick 30 minutes. Good game.

PeteFalk78

Jesus the Sky commentators are so biased it beggars belief.

Tox56

thomond2006 wrote: »

Mark McCall should be brought in somewhere in the Ireland / provincial setup.

Theyre like a machine

Taco Corp

is McCall a coach or director of rugby? don't know if really makes a difference but..asking anyway

danthefan

Tox56 wrote: »

Theyre like a machine

Yes, they are a highly organised and smart side.

LeeroyJones

Initial look is that's a try IMO

WeegWarriors

Off his leg

sydthebeat

danthefan wrote: »

Well anyone ahead of the ball influencing play is technically offside, but anyway he didn't just fix a defender, he took out a defender. He gave the ref a decision to make - completely his fault.

Players cannot vaporize when they run ahead of the ball so they will always effect play by their presence.

They are also allowed "engage" defenders .

This has to be a knock on as he was trying to gain possession

danthefan

That's a try imo.

LeeroyJones

No arguments there

thomond2006

Someone pass the sick bucket.

Tox56

Well thats my interest in this game over, hopefully Clermont can mount a comeback but im not exactly optimistic

matthew8

Everything has gone Sarries way. 19-6.

B0X

Well taken to be fair.

WeegWarriors

Clermont committing suicide

Congrats Toulon for retaining the Heineken Cup, cause when they pump Munster tomorrow Saracens have no chance against them.

Kiwi_knock

Right call. I don't think anyone expected this.

Davei141

Fair try, very poor from Clermont to just stop chasing.

Taco Corp

maybe a knock on at the turnover? clutching at straws here

Tomtom364

Again half thought there was a forward pass, the pass to ashton.

am i imagining things.