Tipping

MadsL

DebDynamite wrote: »

Again I ask, is leaving a tip the only way of saying thank you?

I have already said it isn't - read back - I said it even before you started badgering me on it.

Ah come on MadsL, having worked in the industry, surely you know how much money kitchen porters, commi chefs, chef de partie's make. (I'll give you a hint - it's much less than what the waiting staff make when tips are taken into account). You could tip them if you wanted to. Leave a $20 bill with the restaurant manager. It would make their day because it rarely happens.

i know they make sh.t money, I've run a kitchen. But I did not make the rules.

I might try it but I suspect that wouldn't get any further than his back pocket.

Will you tip the wait staff?

I would if the ridiculous social norm of tipping waiting staff a minimum 10% changed (for doing the easiest job in in restaurant :rolleyes:)

You've never waited tables then.

Easiest job is probably the hostess. Then maybe the service bartender...

I just don't have the money to be tipping the rest of the staff after that. Unlike you, I don't like paying it. However I'm too weak willed (unlike others here, fortunately), to walk out without leaving a tip.

What stops you?

FTA69

I have been, but then he did let me use his phone, and I got the tip wrong in a fluster as I was late (half of what I should have tipped)

That's going the extra mile, that's an occasion when you would make a point to tip. Most people don't tip taxis over here at all, least of all minicabs which are often paid in advance when you get one late at night.

So you would keep a tenner then.

No, I wouldn't expect to be given a tenner for basic courtesy. If I put myself out to return a lost wallet I'd accept a tenner maybe, not for helping an auld one with a bag or dropping a pint down to a table for someone on crutches.

Vegas has some of the most incredible bars in the world. The very best bars. End of.

I disagree. I've worked in plenty of high-end bars and clubs with table service, cocktails, model waitresses etc etc and I thought they were all sh*t. Not my scene at all. Vegas does do that scene very well but there are plenty of places like that in most European capitals.

Dude, you went to Vegas and hung out with a bunch of barmen from Cork? Seriously? There's an entire bar made of ice in that casino. But no, Bottle of Heino thanks there... and a chat about the GAA.

There's you being patronising again. I did plenty of stuff. I jumped out of a plane, threw myself off the Stratosphere, won a mint gambling, bought loads of clothes for peanuts, fired loads of automatic weapons, drove to Death Valley, hung out with some Shoshone Indians on their reservation, saw a load of wildlife, saw the Hoover Dam, visited Red Rock Canyon, went for a spin to Arizona, got twisted and also met Mike Tyson. It was a great trip.

Not wanting to go to a high-end bar doesn't make me a dry-arse. I've worked that scene long enough.

There ya go. You high horse has a wooden leg.

No, I'm clearly admitting it was a bribe. You seem to be dressing bribery up as something else entirely though, which is a bit hypocritical.

MadsL

I have to say I think hairdressers are getting off lightly in this thread

Horrid Henry

FTA69 wrote: »

That's going the extra mile, that's an occasion when you would make a point to tip. Most people don't tip taxis over here at all, least of all minicabs which are often paid in advance when you get one late at night.



No, I wouldn't expect to be given a tenner for basic courtesy. If I put myself out to return a lost wallet I'd accept a tenner maybe, not for helping an auld one with a bag or dropping a pint down to a table for someone on crutches.



I disagree. I've worked in plenty of high-end bars and clubs with table service, cocktails, model waitresses etc etc and I thought they were all sh*t. Not my scene at all. Vegas does do that scene very well but there are plenty of places like that in most European capitals.



There's you being patronising again. I did plenty of stuff. I jumped out of a plane, threw myself off the Stratosphere, won a mint gambling, bought loads of clothes for peanuts, fired loads of automatic weapons, drove to Death Valley, hung out with some Shoshone Indians on their reservation, saw a load of wildlife, saw the Hoover Dam, visited Red Rock Canyon, went for a spin to Arizona, got twisted and also met Mike Tyson. It was a great trip.

Not wanting to go to a high-end bar doesn't make me a dry-arse. I've worked that scene long enough.



No, I'm clearly admitting it was a bribe. You seem to be dressing bribery up as something else entirely though, which is a bit hypocritical.

Sounds like FTA69 watched The Hangover once.

"Dreams Dougal...and reality"

MadsL

FTA69 wrote: »

That's going the extra mile, that's an occasion when you would make a point to tip. Most people don't tip taxis over here at all, least of all minicabs which are often paid in advance when you get one late at night.

I hate London Minicabs with a passion. I'd much rather get a cabbie if at all possible - I know it can be tricky.

No, I wouldn't expect to be given a tenner for basic courtesy. If I put myself out to return a lost wallet I'd accept a tenner maybe, not for helping an auld one with a bag or dropping a pint down to a table for someone on crutches.

You'd refuse it?

I disagree. I've worked in plenty of high-end bars and clubs with table service, cocktails, model waitresses etc etc and I thought they were all sh*t. Not my scene at all. Vegas does do that scene very well but there are plenty of places like that in most European capitals.

Ah c'mon Vegas is special And I'm not wide eyed and star-struck about Vegas, I've spend at least 5-6 weeks in Vegas over the last 6-7 years.

There's you being patronising again.

I told you you wouldn't like it

did plenty of stuff. I jumped out of a plane, threw myself off the Stratosphere, won a mint gambling, bought loads of clothes for peanuts, fired loads of automatic weapons, drove to Death Valley, hung out with some Shoshone Indians on their reservation, saw a load of wildlife, saw the Hoover Dam, visited Red Rock Canyon, went for a spin to Arizona, got twisted and also met Mike Tyson. It was a great trip.

That's better. You met Tyson, wow!!

I thought you were one of those "it's not as good as home" moaners. Glad you had fun, I fupping love Vegas

Not wanting to go to a high-end bar doesn't make me a dry-arse. I've worked that scene long enough.

fair enough.

No, I'm clearly admitting it was a bribe. You seem to be dressing bribery up as something else entirely though, which is a bit hypocritical.

Meh, I don't see what the moral objection is. Why not tip (ok, bribe) the bouncer to let you in? It is not an equal society, let not pretend.

FTA69

Horrid Henry wrote: »

Sounds like FTA69 watched The Hangover once.

"Dreams Dougal...and reality"

What are you w*nking on about? I'm a former doorman who was occasionally put into high-end bars and clubs; hence why I'm familiar with that sort of club scene.

MadsL

FTA69 wrote: »

What are you w*nking on about? I'm a former doorman who was occasionally put into high-end bars and clubs; hence why I'm familiar with that sort of club scene.

Yeah, I don't really get that dig either...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

MadsL wrote: »

Madsl.



It would suit you better to actually read what I said. I encountered people uptight about how much to tip and when. I never said I personally could not afford to tip - quite the opposite I can assure you.

You never mentioned others in your original post, it is reasonable to assume that you meant yourself.




Hardly my fault if your posts are vague. Perhaps you should be clearer that you are referring to others in future.

Lewis Savory Clergy wrote: »

Again, you might read what was actually said, it was clear enough that I referred to others




You are so determined to be right on this that you ignore what is said to your own ends.

Madsl,
Still waiting for you to actually admit you were wrong! Not in your makeup I know but fair's fair after all.

Horrid Henry

FTA69 wrote: »

What are you w*nking on about? I'm a former doorman who was occasionally put into high-end bars and clubs; hence why I'm familiar with that sort of club scene.

It was a joke...relax

You went on a rant about firing guns and meeting Mike Tyson. It sounded Hangoveresque...I don't doubt that you've done those things.

I danced on stage at an Elton John concert in Caesars and played cards with Usher...inplausible but true.

I've also partied with royalty and the likes of Katy Perry and Rory McIlroy but there you go.

FTA69

MadsL wrote: »

You'd refuse it?

No. I'd some Dutch fella give me a score for bringing him up a bottle of £15 red wine before. If he wants to show off in front of his girlfriend and I'm below the poverty line then of course I'm going to accept a tip from whoever and for whatever. (Certain things excluded.)

The difference is though 1) I don't automatically expect a tip for doing something nice or for aiding someone who needs it
2) a customer in need of a bit of a hand should feel a genuine thanks is enough, which it is.

Ah c'mon Vegas is special And I'm not wide eyed and star-struck about Vegas, I've spend at least 5-6 weeks in Vegas over the last 6-7 years.

It is what it is, an adult Disneyland. There's plenty of interesting stuff to see and do there (outside it for the most part) and it's one mad patch on the crazy quilt that makes up America. I might go back for a fight or something, but there's plenty other places in America I'd rather visit.

That's better. You met Tyson, wow!!

Well I had to pay $100 like. He was making an appearance at the sporting memorabilia shop in Ceaser's Palace.

Meh, I don't see what the moral objection is. Why not tip (ok, bribe) the bouncer to let you in? It is not an equal society, let not pretend.

There's no moral objection to it on my part for something trivial like that, but heading out would be a bit of a hassle if you'd to bribe everyone to get in places or get a table or get a drink etc.

FTA69

Horrid Henry wrote: »

It was a joke...relax

You went on a rant about firing guns and meeting Mike Tyson. It sounded Hangoveresque...I don't doubt that you've done those things.

I danced on stage at an Elton John concert in Caesars and played cards with Usher...inplausible but true.

Well there's gun ranges all over the place which you can go to for as little as $50, and I paid $100 odd to get into an audience with Tyson and Leon Spinks. It wasn't as if I bumped into him at a urinal or anything.

I also went to see Rod Stewart. It was great craic.

Horrid Henry

FTA69 wrote: »

Well there's gun ranges all over the place which you can go to for as little as $50, and I paid $100 odd to get into an audience with Tyson and Leon Spinks. It wasn't as if I bumped into him at a urinal or anything.

I also went to see Rod Stewart. It was great craic.

Vegas rocks...like someone else said Disneyworld for adults

Horrid Henry

"Tipping is not a city in China"

On a tips jar in X-Men from memory (bar Wolverine fights in)

MadsL

Lewis Savory Clergy wrote: »

Madsl,
Still waiting for you to actually admit you were wrong! Not in your makeup I know but fair's fair after all.

I felt your reference was to other people making you feel uptight about tipping. If I was wrong I apologise,
I'm also a w*nker if that helps

MadsL

Horrid Henry wrote: »

"Tipping is not a city in China"

On a tips jar in X-Men from memory (bar Wolverine fights in)

Every time you tip, we stick a pin in our Bieber Voodoo doll....

Ace2007

MadsL wrote: »

You don't 'treat everyone the same'. You often cannot seat a six-top before a couple because you are waiting on a four and couple to push tables together to make the six-top.

People get seated out of order all the time.

Just try "we were here first" at a restaurant sometime and see where it gets you.

If you have no reservation, there is no obligation for the restaurant to seat you at all, and you will not be privy to the reasons for seating people in any case.

Why you always take the extreme case of 2ppl v 6ppl - if two set's of couples turned up at a restaurant and neither have reservation (People in waiting areas/bars usually can hear each other's answer), but you the owner knew the second couple, and gave them a seat before the others, I know personally I wouldn't hang around (and would tell everyone I knew not to go there, and would probably leave a comment on well know sites to warn others. No business wants that.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

MadsL wrote: »

I'm also a w*nker if that helps

Emmmm.......no - too easy to make fun of people unfortunate enough to be in the greatest open air asylum in the world.

Pretensious perhaps but I wouldn't go any further than that.

canadianwoman

MadsL wrote: »

Every time you tip, we stick a pin in our Bieber Voodoo doll....

KEEP TIPPING!!!! kEEP TIPPING!! FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY PLEASE KEEP TIPPING!!!!!!!!

MadsL

Ace2007 wrote: »

Why you always take the extreme case of 2ppl v 6ppl - if two set's of couples turned up at a restaurant and neither have reservation (People in waiting areas/bars usually can hear each other's answer), but you the owner knew the second couple, and gave them a seat before the others, I know personally I wouldn't hang around (and would tell everyone I knew not to go there, and would probably leave a comment on well know sites to warn others. No business wants that.

Friends of the owner don't need a reservation...they would be recognised.

HansHolzel

osarusan wrote: »

the thought of some people keeping their own money voluntarily.

What a novel euphemism for stinginess!

Tin Foil Hat

A menu should be a very simple thing. It's a price list.
This is what we have - and this is what it costs. I'll give you this item here - and you will give me a sum of money represented by these digits over here. I will use that money to pay my staff a fair wage and cover my other overheads. It's easy.
Tipping as a norm is absurd.

Tin Foil Hat

MadsL wrote: »

Leaving only 1.50 implies a problem with the service,

MadsL wrote: »

I expect that 1.50 tip gets you remembered, and waiting at the bar for a table next time you are in.

I had a good giggle at this.

Tin Foil Hat

I just finished reading this thread from start to finish. Jaysus!
Those posters who advocate for tipping do an absolutely fantastic job of portraying what a god-awful world is created by a well-entrenched culture of tipping. Queue skipping, food sabotage, customers deliberately being left waiting, bribery, waitresses chastising customers for going to the bar, taxi drivers demeaning themselves for pocket change, business owners washing their hands of their their responsibility to properly pay their staff, customers throwing around money so staff will sing and dance for them. And bitching. Lots and lots of bitching.
Awful, awful, awful.

HansHolzel

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

I just finished reading this thread from start to finish. Jaysus!
Those posters who advocate for tipping do an absolutely fantastic job of portraying what a god-awful world is created by a well-entrenched culture of tipping. Queue skipping, food sabotage, customers deliberately being left waiting, bribery, waitresses chastising customers for going to the bar, taxi drivers demeaning themselves for pocket change, business owners washing their hands of their their responsibility to properly pay their staff, customers throwing around money so staff will sing and dance for them. And bitching. Lots and lots of bitching.
Awful, awful, awful.

Not quite as awful as the original sin - inhuman stinginess - and all its tortuous rationalizations on a forum like this.

HansHolzel

Yet again a Boards thread has amply demonstrated how many miserable, tight-fisted w*nkers are out there and willing to try to justify their obnoxious meanness.

shruikan2553

HansHolzel wrote: »

Yet again a Boards thread has amply demonstrated how many miserable, tight-fisted w*nkers are out there and willing to try to justify their obnoxious meanness.

We're all mean because we think someone should be paid a fair wage from their employer, ya sure.

Mooby

If I am happy with the service I usually tip - hairdressers, taxi drivers, takeaway delivery guys (as long as they don't deliberately mess with my change), waitresses, buy bar staff the odd drink.
I tip because I have had jobs as a waitress, lounge girl, hairdresser and it really can make a difference to your wage and your mood.

Savoir.Faire

I like to tip generously if the service is excellent, but will tip regardless even if the service is less than stellar.

If there is something disastrously wrong with the service then I will raise it there and then with management. It's a trait I don't like in the Irish - they smile out of the corner of their mouths as they pay, then complain to all and sundry about what a disaster the place was afterwards. The old béal bocht.

A generous tipper makes for a generous lover, intellectual sparring partner and giver of time. Meanness and stinginess are traits I abhor in a man or woman.

Ace2007

HansHolzel wrote: »

Yet again a Boards thread has amply demonstrated how many miserable, tight-fisted w*nkers are out there and willing to try to justify their obnoxious meanness.

Keep thinking this if it makes you feel better. Personal insults to people that you don't know.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Savoir.Faire wrote: »

If there is something disastrously wrong with the service then I will raise it there and then with management. It's a trait I don't like in the Irish - they smile out of the corner of their mouths as they pay, then complain to all and sundry about what a disaster the place was afterwards. The old béal bocht.
.

I think you have misinterpreted what beal bocht means. It is exaggerating your circumstances negatively, particularly financially, to evoke sympathy or charity and not to bad mouth somebody or somewhere.