Tipping

Crooked Jack

MadsL wrote: »

Which posts of mine are 'snobby' - this one perhaps? Where I am defending nail techs being laughed at?

I was thinking more your sneering about supermacs or your assertions that the riff raff should stay out of nice restaurants for a start.

Crooked Jack

HansHolzel wrote: »

What kind of people don't like tipping? Stingy people.

People who appreciate fairness. people who are happy to pay for a product or service but not subsidise somebody's wages on top of that

HansHolzel

Crooked Jack wrote: »

People who appreciate fairness. people who are happy to pay for a product or service but not subsidise somebody's wages on top of that

+ People who come up with tortuous rationalizations for their meanness ;-)

MadsL

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I was thinking more your sneering about supermacs or your assertions that the riff raff should stay out of nice restaurants for a start.

Where did I say "the riff-raff should stay out of nice restaurants"?

We have a quote function.

Crooked Jack

MadsL wrote: »

Where did I say "the riff-raff should stay out of nice restaurants"?

We have a quote function.

You know exactly what you said. im not trawling through 30+ pages just to show you what you already know.

MadsL

Crooked Jack wrote: »

You know exactly what you said. im not trawling through 30+ pages just to show you what you already know.

Trawling? We have a search function.

http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2057059033&query=riff-raff

1 result. You.

So I didn't say it. You made it up then.

I have never once described people as like that in this thread. A complete slander.

HansHolzel

Crooked Jack wrote: »

You know exactly what you said. im not trawling through 30+ pages just to show you what you already know.

'Put up or shut up' - that, I think, is the phrase most used in this kind of situation ;-)

MadsL

Crooked Jack wrote: »

People who appreciate fairness. people who are happy to pay for a product or service but not subsidise somebody's wages on top of that

Wouldn't it be fair if we all were expected to make a tip decision that didn't include 0%.

MadsL

Crooked Jack wrote: »

No you didnt, you merely listed the expected duties of a waiter. being friendly or giving information on the options in the menu are hardly going above and beyond

Describing the dish in detail, including the preparation method, the source of the protein (locally produced Murphy's Farm organic etc) and making an excellent recommendation of a wine to go with it. Making sure the chef can substitute an ingredient to cover an allergy. Making an excellent job of timing the meal, checking if you need a pause before dessert, suggesting a light alternative if you say you are getting full, etc etc.

These are the marks of excellent wait staff, who sadly would do well in the US, but are deemed in Ireland to be doing a job little above the skill level of McDonalds cashiers.

shruikan2553

MadsL wrote: »

Why is there no accepted practise then, as those of us that tip are increasing service levels for those that don't? To my mind, and many others, it appears to be an excuse for stinginess.

You are? How did you work that out? Lets start tipping politicians to improve their quality.

MadsL

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You are? How did you work that out? Lets start tipping politicians to improve their quality.

How do you mean start?

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

Describing the dish in detail, including the preparation method, the source of the protein (locally produced Murphy's Farm organic etc) and making an excellent recommendation of a wine to go with it. Making sure the chef can substitute an ingredient to cover an allergy. Making an excellent job of timing the meal, checking if you need a pause before dessert, suggesting a light alternative if you say you are getting full, etc etc.

These are the marks of excellent wait staff, who sadly would do well in the US, but are deemed in Ireland to be doing a job little above the skill level of McDonalds cashiers.

Waiters in the US get something like $3 an hour. They depend on tips. Irish waiters get an hourly rate.

MadsL

clairefontaine wrote: »

Waiters in the US get something like $3 an hour. They depend on tips. Irish waiters get an hourly rate.

Of about $11 an hour. Which means a lower tip is reasonable, I tipped 5-10% in Ireland. Double that in the US.

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

Of about $11 an hour. Which means a lower tip is reasonable, I tipped 5-10% in Ireland. Double that in the US.

Yeah I do about the same.

My tips in the US however, get me free margaritas.

Horrid Henry

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

The Irish are just stingy feckers when it comes to tipping

No. The real issue is that US employers underpay their workers. All of this nonsense flows from that.

Crooked Jack

MadsL wrote: »

Describing the dish in detail, including the preparation method, the source of the protein (locally produced Murphy's Farm organic etc) and making an excellent recommendation of a wine to go with it. Making sure the chef can substitute an ingredient to cover an allergy. Making an excellent job of timing the meal, checking if you need a pause before dessert, suggesting a light alternative if you say you are getting full, etc etc.

These are the marks of excellent wait staff, who sadly would do well in the US, but are deemed in Ireland to be doing a job little above the skill level of McDonalds cashiers.

These are the basic duties of wait staff.

Cold Sore

Crooked Jack wrote: »

These are the basic duties of wait staff.

Once someone is on a fixed wage with no prospect of a tip they can do they tend to do the minimum. The prospect of a tip is what galvanises waiting staff.

MadsL

Crooked Jack wrote: »

These are the basic duties of wait staff.

Such nonsense, basic duties are hello how are you, here's the menu, what would you like, here it is, did you enjoy it, anything else, here's the bill, thanks for coming, bye.

That's the basic duties. The minimum level you work at without getting fired, and frankly the level that you get in many Irish restaurants.

Perhaps I am being unfair in trying to describe what excellent service is if many posting here simply haven't experienced it.

If you want some tales of outstanding service on the other hand...
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/582537

Staff going out to clear a path to diners cars in freshly falen snow certainly isn't part of the basic duties.

MadsL

Horrid Henry wrote: »

No. The real issue is that US employers underpay their workers. All of this nonsense flows from that.

Tipping is an English custom that wasn't very popular in the US until this century.

Cold Sore

MadsL wrote: »

Tipping is an English custom that wasn't very popular in the US until this century.

It was very popular (in the sense of widespread) in the last century. I remember seeing films in the 1980s and people were talking about it.

MadsL

Cold Sore wrote: »

It was very popular (in the sense of widespread) in the last century. I remember seeing films in the 1980s and people were talking about it.

Sorry, just woke up, on the first cup of coffee. 1990 was only yesterday for me, I meant the 20th century.


F*ck that makes me feel old.

*hangs head*

coffee_cake

Crooked Jack wrote: »

These are the basic duties of wait staff.

Yeah, got that in a place last week, they did well

Perhaps I am being unfair in trying to describe what excellent service is if many posting here simply haven't experienced it.

Oh lord he's back to the "you're all ignorants who just go to fast food places"

krudler

MadsL wrote: »

Such nonsense, basic duties are hello how are you, here's the menu, what would you like, here it is, did you enjoy it, anything else, here's the bill, thanks for coming, bye.

That's the basic duties. The minimum level you work at without getting fired, and frankly the level that you get in many Irish restaurants.

Perhaps I am being unfair in trying to describe what excellent service is if many posting here simply haven't experienced it.

If you want some tales of outstanding service on the other hand...
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/582537

Staff going out to clear a path to diners cars in freshly falen snow certainly isn't part of the basic duties.

So why do they deserve a tip?

MadsL

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah, got that in a place last week, they did well

Did you tip them?

Oh lord he's back to the "you're all ignorants who just go to fast food places"

You can understand how some are giving that impression, at times this is like trying to describe the colour blue to a man blind since birth.

MadsL

krudler wrote: »

So why do they deserve a tip?

Read the post.

Is the concept that tipping increases service levels really that hard to grasp? Really?

coffee_cake

MadsL wrote: »

Did you tip them?

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I wasn't paying but I would have, because I do that in restaurants if they do well

MadsL wrote: »

You can understand how some are giving that impression, at times this is like trying to describe the colour blue to a man blind since birth.

Yes, to you!
You'll cry when you hear the number of people getting free suite upgrades... without a tip first :eek:

krudler

bluewolf wrote: »

Yes, to you!
You'll cry when you hear the number of people getting free suite upgrades... without a tip first :eek:

I got upgraded to first class once just because I was travelling alone and there were some spare seats. No bribe, sorry, tip involved.

MadsL

bluewolf wrote: »

I wasn't paying but I would have, because I do that in restaurants if they do well

So you agree with me.

Finally.

Yes, to you!
You'll cry when you hear the number of people getting free suite upgrades... without a tip first :eek:

If you think $20 is really here or there when it comes to getting an upgrade I don't know what to tell you. I don't really care about what other guests get for free, if I can get an upgrade with a $20 sandwich, I'm happy enough.

Mr.McLovin

Horrid Henry wrote: »

No. The real issue is that US employers underpay their workers. All of this nonsense flows from that.

Tell that to a food delivery driver on €3 an hour

coffee_cake

MadsL wrote: »

I don't really care about what other guests get for free,.

You cared enough when you were boasting about all your little "freebies" earlier and trying to tell us nobody would ever get "free" stuff without bribes

MadsL wrote: »

But keep not tipping, your ignorance as to how the service industry works means that I can tip $20 and getting a free upgrade from a $25 dollar room at Paris, Las Vegas to a $350 a night room on the 34th floor overlooking the Bellagio.

MadsL wrote:

I pity the fool in the worst room more.