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Budget Day - The Official After Hours Thread - (Ireland's undisputed Voice of Reason)

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    #452
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    I agree there are wealthy OAP's that can afford it, however they are taking cards off needy people under 70, so they will do it over 70!

    Agreed, medical cards are being taken from people over the age of 70 who genuinely need them in order to give medical cards to children under the age of five who's parents could be well off. Nearly 50% of children under five have a medical card as it is.

    Means testing for the elderly, but no means test for the parents of those with children under five years of age.


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    #453
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Playboy wrote: »
    No probably not but plenty of families out there think they can just pop out a few sprogs and worry about the cost of them later. PArents have a responsibility to pay for their children, taxpayers dont.

    So what the Hell are you going on at her over it for? You have no idea of her situation at all.


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    #454
    Nemeses
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    Mr Shatter said we will see new student gardaí entering the Garda College in Templemore in 2014 - the first since the previous government stopped recruitment in 2009."


    This certainly good news. About time we have more people in the force!


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    #455
    adocholiday
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Any mention of PRSI?


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    #456
    Xenji
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    anthonyross wrote: »
    im 24 now and im getting 188 but i will be 25 in january next year are my getting cut?and if so is it from next week on thanks

    You will be cut down to €144.


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    #457
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    adocholiday wrote: »
    Any mention of PRSI?

    No change.


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    #458
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Playboy wrote: »
    If you read my post i did say "Fair enough if you had a decent income and then got hit by the recession". So could you please point out what is ignorant about my post. Seems like lots of people work hard and save and wait till they can afford children while others just seem to breed away and then complain they dont get subsidised childcare or health for their kids. it's ridiculous tbh.

    This bit.
    Why are you having kids then if you cant afford it? Do people just expect the state (every other taxpayer) to pick up the slack? 


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    #459
    Riskymove
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Agreed, medical cards are being taken from people over the age of 70 who genuinely need them in order to give medical cards to children under the age of five who's parents could be well off. Nearly 50% of children under five have a medical card as it is.

    Means testing for the elderly, but no means test for the parents of those with children under five years of age.

    I agree its a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul but just to clarify:

    its not medical cards for under 5s - just free GP visit


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    #460
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Nemeses wrote: »
    This certainly good news. About time we have more people in the force!

    Don't think they really had a choice on that score, considering how many Gardai are heading towards retirement!


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    #461
    TheDoc
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    ibarelycare wrote: »
    Are people going to be out protesting now? It's really going to disrupt my journey home from work :(

    Seems that way, looking on a few of the Facebook pages some morons advocating for more of the same as last time, with blocking roads.

    Guarda warning this morning indicated anyone intentionally disrupting traffic or attempting to disrupt traffic will be arrested. Hopefully a deterant, town is crawling with Gardaí


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    #462
    [Deleted User]
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    I have a feeling the same person has been writing the budget speeches for the ministers for the last fifteen years. Anyway they always do a great job of reading the words.


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    #463
    Xenji
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    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Since you have it already no. And all welfare changes are usually effective as of the 1st of Jan.

    That is not quite right, to get people on the new band they are doing it by age, so if you are 25 after the 1st of January you will be on the new rate regardless if you are a new applicant or not.


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    #464
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Well, I doubt she had kids for the sole purpose of f**king over the taxpayers.

    Of course I did, it is what I aimed to do since I was 12yo! :rolleyes:

    Contrary to popular belief, not everyone on the dole has been there since they turned 18, but some enjoy generalising for the sake of justifying their beliefs.
    ford_owner wrote: »
    your a chump , the medical card threshold has simply been lowered for the wealthy seventy year old plus group
    They are taking them off the disabled, so will they be fair with them too?
    ibarelycare wrote: »
    They're only being abolished for OAPs who earn under €500 a week.

    I sincerely hope the government doesn't back down to the grey army this time. They need to take a hit just like the rest of us.
    I assume you mean over 500? I think everyone should have some cuts, no one should be held above anyone else!
    NiallSparky wrote: »
    In fairness, it was said that the kid was 12 weeks old.

    Not that I'm necessarily in agreement with the post.
    How is my daughters age relevant, condom failed. It happens. She wasn't planned and daddy will be back in the workforce in 2014, with a good, taxable career!


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    #465
    Riskymove
    Registered Users Posts: 10,887 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Don't think they really had a choice on that score, considering how many Gardai are heading towards retirement!

    its inevitable across the board

    I saw a report that the average age in some Departments was approaching 50 and there were no employees under 30


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    #466
    Nemeses
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Don't think they really had a choice on that score, considering how many Gardai are heading towards retirement!

    This is also true.
    But with all the closure of the Gardai stations around the country...Where are the new recruits going to be based I wonder?

    Still, Its a small sign of some positivity from this dreaded budget


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    #467
    Playboy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    So what the Hell are you going on at her over it for? You have no idea of her situation at all.

    ? I'm not going on at her.. i made one comment then discussed that with others. I did add a disclaimer to my comment. However if you think that a country with no national health service providing nearly half the population with free healthcare is ok then fire away... i can see how we got in the mess we are in. People pay an enormous amount every month from their salaries to pay for the nhs, Ireland doesnt fund the health service in the same way so people need to get real and stop expecting medical cards for one and all.


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    #468
    cletus van damme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 960 ✭✭✭cletus van damme


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    I think it's great.

    Let's never forget what those ***** did to this country.

    that might be true.
    But it's up to the people to do that. These boys are paid to deliver the budget and move ireland forward , wasting their their effort on cheap digs is in our best interest


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    #469
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    How is my daughters age relevant, condom failed. It happens. She wasn't planned and daddy will be back in the workforce in 2014, with a good, taxable career!

    It was only relevant to Banjo String's point. I don't have an issue with your situation, not that it's any of my business anyway. :)


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    Dravokivich
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    Playboy wrote: »
    No probably not but plenty of families out there think they can just pop out a few sprogs and worry about the cost of them later. PArents have a responsibility to pay for their children, taxpayers dont.



    If you read my post i did say "Fair enough if you had a decent income and then got hit by the recession". So could you please point out what is ignorant about my post. Seems like lots of people work hard and save and wait till they can afford children while others just seem to breed away and then complain they dont get subsidised childcare or health for their kids. it's ridiculous tbh.

    What's ridiculous is you made unsubstantiated claims that she did that very thing. FFS


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    #471
    Playboy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Banjo String wrote: »
    This bit.

    :confused: not able to read whole paragraphs are we?


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    #472
    Tombi!
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    Playboy wrote: »
    ? I'm not going on at her.. i made one comment then discussed that with others. I did add a disclaimer to my comment. However if you think that a country with no national health service providing nearly half the population with free healthcare is ok then fire away... i can see how we got in the mess we are in. People pay an enormous amount every month from their salaries to pay for the nhs, Ireland doesnt fund the health service in the same way so people need to get real and stop expecting medical cards for one and all.

    But you singled her out? You decided that she must not be able to afford them so she shouldn't have them (Fair enough) but you assumed she knew she'd be in the deep end of no money land and still wanted to have kids
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    Playboy wrote: »
    Why are you having kids then if you cant afford it? Do people just expect the state (every other taxpayer) to pick up the slack? Fair enough if you had a decent income and then got hit by the recession but too many people just decide to have a family without thinking through the financial consequences, then all of a sudden its everyones else's problem. The NHS costs a fortune in the UK and unless the Irish are prepared to cough up a similar amount every month to pay for a similar system then people will just have to make do unfortunately.


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    #473
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Riskymove wrote: »
    its inevitable across the board

    I saw a report that the average age in some Departments was approaching 50 and there were no employees under 30

    Yeah, that's a fact that will likely come back and bite us in a few years. There's going to be a massive gap between the availability of senior positions and the number of those qualified to fill them.

    Still though, at least it seems like they're starting to face into the problem rather than keep kicking that can down the road.


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    #474
    Playboy
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    What's ridiculous is you made unsubstantiated claims that she did that very thing. FFS

    no I didnt.. have people got problems with ther english language? I said others not her specifically. I added a dsiclaimer to my comment that "Fair enough if you had a decent income and then got hit by the recession". Can we not not talk generally about an issue?


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    #475
    Tombi!
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    Playboy wrote: »
    no I didnt.. have people got problems with ther english language? I said others not her specifically. I added a dsiclaimer to my comment that "Fair enough if you had a decent income and then got hit by the recession". Can we not not talk generally about an issue?

    But the issue you assumed she did then decided to add your disclaimer.

    That's pretty much screaming at someone and then adding in "ah but if you have an excuse it's okay".


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    #476
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Playboy wrote: »
    No probably not but plenty of families out there think they can just pop out a few sprogs and worry about the cost of them later. PArents have a responsibility to pay for their children, taxpayers dont.



    If you read my post i did say "Fair enough if you had a decent income and then got hit by the recession". So could you please point out what is ignorant about my post. Seems like lots of people work hard and save and wait till they can afford children while others just seem to breed away and then complain they dont get subsidised childcare or health for their kids. it's ridiculous tbh.
    Health and education are essential to ensure a good future workforce. Subsidized childcare is needed to keep low income parents in the workforce and off the live register. That is common sense. If you are going to complain, do so about the ridiculous things people apply for from the taxpayer, like 2 free buggies. I got nothing off the taxpayer for that stuff. I used my savings and got family to pay and paid them back each week!

    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Agreed, medical cards are being taken from people over the age of 70 who genuinely need them in order to give medical cards to children under the age of five who's parents could be well off. Nearly 50% of children under five have a medical card as it is.

    Means testing for the elderly, but no means test for the parents of those with children under five years of age.

    It's ridiculous to think they will take from one area using one system, and give to another with no system.


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    #477
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    No increase in prsi or usc ...only 10c on a pint, no change to spirits, reduction in youth dole, reduction in free phone and free tv licence, no vat increase...
    http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg


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    #478
    Playboy
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    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    But you singled her out? You decided that she must not be able to afford them so she shouldn't have them (Fair enough) but you assumed she knew she'd be in the deep end of no money land and still wanted to have kids
    See:

    Whatever.. see what you want to see.


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    #479
    Playboy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Playboy


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    But the issue you assumed she did then decided to add your disclaimer.

    That's pretty much screaming at someone and then adding in "ah but if you have an excuse it's okay".

    ok... thats because I typed in CAPS right?


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    #480
    goose06
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    It's fairly shocking to see that most of the Dail has been cleared out already


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    #481
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    goose06 wrote: »
    It's fairly shocking to see that most of the Dail has been cleared out already

    There's a massive ten cent tax on pints! They need to get the drinking done fast.


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