Download v Upload speeds?

DaDa

I am investigating fixed line broadband speeds for a house in the Kilmuckridge area.

Eircom inform me (by testing a neighbours active line) that I should experience between 3MB-5MB. For purpose, this is enough.

However, since there's no way to test the upload speed until connecting a device after activation (and signing up to a contract), I've no way to rely on the statement from eircom that I "should" experience at least 0.5MB upload speed. How reliable a statement is this in your opinion?

Cheers.

ED E

Its profile based, so if you get X down you get X up. I can never remember them off but if you're on 3072 I think you'll get 384kb up, 4mb should give ~500kb up.

Freddy Smelly

with eircom its like this for adsl/adsl2+

160kps dn 128kps up
256kps dn 128kps up
512kps dn 128kps up
1024kps dn 128kps up
2048kps dn 256kps up
3072kps dn 384kps up
4096kps dn 384kps up
5120kps dn 384kps up
6148kps dn 384kps up
7162kps dn 512kps up
8186kps dn 512kps up
9210kps dn 672kps up
10240kps dn 672kps up
12288kps dn 768kps up
15360kps dn 1024kps up
17084kps dn 1024kps up
20480kps dn 1024kps up
24576kps dn 1024kps up

Praetorian

I have 18m/bit x 2m/bit on an adsl2+ profile in my office. 79 per month though.

Chris The Hacker

Praetorian wrote: »

I have 18m/bit x 2m/bit on an adsl2+ profile in my office. 79 per month though.

18mb x 2mb? So, you have a 36mb connection?!

Cantona's Collars

Wicklow Broadband serve Kilmuckridge and have various packages with 1Mb upload speed.

http://www.wicklowbroadband.com/products/domestic-broadband.php

DaDa

Thanks for the info so far. (Has to be fixed-line broadband.)

After digging some more I am informed that Eircom can only ever guarantee an upload speed of approximately 0.375 MB/PS. That falls short of the minimum 0.5 MB/PS required.

UPC broadband is not available yet, and no ETA.

SKY cannot do a test until the line is re-connected. And of course only Eircom can do that.

So, next question ... is there anyone using SKY broadband (through the Kilmuckridge exchange) that could advise the upload speeds they are experiencing?

Thanks.

thenightrider

DaDa wrote: »

Thanks for the info so far. (Has to be fixed-line broadband.)

After digging some more I am informed that Eircom can only ever guarantee an upload speed of approximately 0.375 MB/PS. That falls short of the minimum 0.5 MB/PS required.

UPC broadband is not available yet, and no ETA.

SKY cannot do a test until the line is re-connected. And of course only Eircom can do that.

So, next question ... is there anyone using SKY broadband (through the Kilmuckridge exchange) that could advise the upload speeds they are experiencing?

Thanks.

Sky can only offer the same speed as eircom as all they do is resell eircom to you.

DaDa

thenightrider wrote: »

Sky can only offer the same speed as eircom as all they do is resell eircom to you.

That's what I thought, but an Eircom operator today indicated it is not necessarily the case; that the bandwidth capacity can be determined on the ratio of customers with the different companies within an exchange.

ED E

DaDa wrote: »

That's what I thought, but an Eircom operator today indicated it is not necessarily the case; that the bandwidth capacity can be determined on the ratio of customers with the different companies within an exchange.

Thats above the level of profiles. Thats backhaul. Its the same DSLAMS(Exchange equipment) so probably the same backhaul as eircom own the core network. The only difference would be when it gets back as far as the "servers" of the system. With a 3Mb connection you wont notice any difference between providers at that level.

Basically Vodafone Sky and Eircom will give identical throughput on your line. Smart/Digiweb use their own gear in a few exchanges which can give different speeds on the same line.

Chris The Hacker

DaDa wrote: »

That's what I thought, but an Eircom operator today indicated it is not necessarily the case; that the bandwidth capacity can be determined on the ratio of customers with the different companies within an exchange.

While Sky do use Eircom's lines, back when the Sky held trials about 10 months ago, members of this forum were delighted that their speed improved when they switched from Eircom to Sky. From this, we deduced that Eircom deliberately limit their connections because they're cheapskates.

It's possible you might see an improvement if you did switch to Sky, but you'll still have to endure a 12-month contract with Eircom until you can switch to Sky; however, there is also the possibility you may not even get 0.5mb if you did eventually switch to Sky.

Getting a line is risky and it may not turn out for the better. Just in case you were wondering, I don't believe it's possible to sacrifice download speed to get a better upload speed - I tried it with both Eircom and Sky but to no avail.

Maybe if one of your neighbours has Sky you might be able to check with them?

ED E

Chris The Hacker wrote: »

Maybe if one of your neighbours has Sky you might be able to check with them?

Sounds like the OP is rural, if so his neighbours are probably a bit away from him. If they're 500m+ from him(as the road travels not the crow flies) then you cant make more than a very general guess based on their line.

DaDa

ED E wrote: »

Sounds like the OP is rural, if so his neighbours are probably a bit away from him. If they're 500m+ from him(as the road travels not the crow flies) then you cant make more than a very general guess based on their line.

It's actually a housing estate. Trying to track down someone with SKY as we speak.

Chris The Hacker

ED E wrote: »

Sounds like the OP is rural, if so his neighbours are probably a bit away from him. If they're 500m+ from him(as the road travels not the crow flies) then you cant make more than a very general guess based on their line.

Read his first post on this thread. He mentioned that they tested his neighbour's line. No point guessing how many neighbours he has or how far they are away from him - only he knows this.

Like I said, it's risky and he may not see an improvement with Sky, but if I was in his shoes and had neighbours close by, I would knock at their door and inquire about their phoneline.

DaDa

Just FYI, found a neighbour with SKY broadband and pretty much the download & upload was in line with the eircom data.

AlanS181824

Go with Eircom.
Even if you could get better with Sky you'd still have to pay line retail for 12 months just for the "luxury" of having a landline, plus broadband on top of that!
So it'd end up being...
Line rental. €25 a month (I think)
Sky broadband €40 a month
Rural charge. (Fee charged for being on a rural Eircom Exchange) €10
Total... €75 PER MONTH!

Chris The Hacker

Have you considered wireless?

http://www.skytel.ie/index.php?id=4

http://www.alphabroadband.ie/services.php

http://www.permanet.ie/New/products_home.html


There's loads of them if you search on Google.

Cantona's Collars

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Go with Eircom.
Even if you could get better with Sky you'd still have to pay line retail for 12 months just for the "luxury" of having a landline, plus broadband on top of that!
So it'd end up being...
Line rental. €25 a month (I think)
Sky broadband €40 a month
Rural charge. (Fee charged for being on a rural Eircom Exchange) €10
Total... €75 PER MONTH!

All wrong,Sky include line rental in the price of €40 a month,Eircom are more expensive than the resellers.
The €40 includes line rental and vat.
http://www.sky.com/ireland/broadband-talk/broadband-unlimited/

AlanS181824

zerks wrote: »

All wrong,Sky include line rental in the price of €40 a month,Eircom are more expensive than the resellers.
The €40 includes line rental and vat.
http://www.sky.com/ireland/broadband-talk/broadband-unlimited/

Actually, Sky don't activate a line so if you don't have an active landline you need to pay Eircom line rental for 12 months which I believe is €25 or €27 a month.
So,
€40 for Sky broadband
€10 for being in a rural location
€25 Line rental
Grand Total: €75

trompele

Praetorian wrote: »

I have 18m/bit x 2m/bit on an adsl2+ profile in my office. 79 per month though.

This is called broadband enhanced. It uses adsl annex m protocol that will allow 2mbit upload by limiting download to 18 mbit.

trompele

Chris The Hacker wrote: »

Have you considered wireless?

http://www.skytel.ie/index.php?id=4

http://www.alphabroadband.ie/services.php

http://www.permanet.ie/New/products_home.html


There's loads of them if you search on Google.

Stay away from skytel and alphabroadband. Permanet is ok.