International Rules 2013

theoneeyedman

The fact they got that many is amazing. Just checked the score at half time 3.10 to 4 points. The game is so sanitised and devoid of action it's unreal. Apart from a jolly every few years for the players and the blazers it has nothing going for it.


There is more action and physicality on Strictly come dancing...

thelad95

theoneeyedman wrote: »

The fact they got that many is amazing. Just checked the score at half time 3.10 to 4 points. The game is so sanitised and devoid of action it's unreal. Apart from a jolly every few years for the players and the blazers it has nothing going for it.


There is more action and physicality on Strictly come dancing...

I think its the lack of physicality and also the fact that the Aussies cant seem to be bothered to select their best players for the games. Although the idea of sending an indigenius team was nice, I'm sure it would have been more competitive if they sent an 'all-star' type team.

Boom__Boom

Official attendance 28,535

Have to wonder how many of those actually paid in?

I know there were free tickets for those renewing season tickets and I'm imagine there was quite a few free tickets given away via sponsors.

seligehgit

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Official attendance 28,535

Have to wonder how many of those actually paid in?

I know there were free tickets for those renewing season tickets and I'm imagine there was quite a few free tickets given away via sponsors.

I'd say maybe 20 thousand paid in,rest free tickets for season ticket renewals/sponsors.It's a real shame that Croker can seem so lifeless with a crowd that Leinster would love to have if the RDS had the requisite capacity.

zetecescort

Aussie clubs are never going to release their star players and risk injuries imo. professional sport and their only interest is themselves and rightly so.

time to start promoting the Railway cup properly and give the winners a trip abroad because thats all they get out of this every couple of years.

the only advantage the Aussies had in this was their physical strength and we have now matched this with the training required for modern GAA. everything else in our favour.

seligehgit

This is frankly embarrassing,no future for the series if the Aussies do not start to take it seriously.Idea of bringing over the indigenous players was novel but in all seriousness the creme de la creme of players are going to have to play if the series is going to a marketable proposition into the future.

KevIRL

KevIRL wrote: »

Whats the biggest win in any IR game ever?

To answer my own question it was a 44 point win for Ireland in 2011. The highest score by a team in a game was 100 by Australia in 2005

Boom__Boom

The fact that the Aussies are the full-time professionals and the Irish are all amateurs (bar 1 or 2 like Tuohy) and the Irish are wiping the floor with them, says a huge amount about the dedication in terms of time and effort that intercounty footballers put in.

tayto lover

This crap has no future.

zetecescort

wouldnt be too hard on the Aussies on the pitch. odds stacked so much against them, adjusting to the round ball next to impossible over a few weeks, pro or not.

UpTheSlashers

'W*nker' gesture from one the aussies there, no need for it.

ArmaniJeanss

Boom__Boom wrote: »

The fact that the Aussies are the full-time professionals and the Irish are all amateurs (bar 1 or 2 like Tuohy) and the Irish are wiping the floor with them, says a huge amount about the dedication in terms of time and effort that intercounty footballers put in.

Says more about the incredible advantage the round ball gives the Irish side to be honest.

KevIRL

Would hate to how the Aussies would have gotten on without their 'major advantage' of the round ball :pac:

seligehgit

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Says more about the incredible advantage the round ball gives the Irish side to be honest.

Agreed but previous series were much more competitive with a few Aussie victories thrown in.

spank_inferno

At least the hoards of children in the crowd seem to be enjoying it!

UsBus

You couldn't even call this sport.....complete rubbish.
Id say some of them are embarrassed to be out there at this stage

Skid X

116-37

Nice to finish off this International Rules game forever with a mauling!

SantryRed

Boom__Boom wrote: »

The fact that the Aussies are the full-time professionals and the Irish are all amateurs (bar 1 or 2 like Tuohy) and the Irish are wiping the floor with them, says a huge amount about the dedication in terms of time and effort that intercounty footballers put in.

Or maybe it's something to do with the game favouring them. Maybe use a rugby shaped ball and see what happens. And the fact that the Aussies don't have a full team out. It's a stupid concept.

spank_inferno

Whats with all the sports bras the Irish team are wearing?

ProudDUB

I see they are wearing Pat Spillane's favourite garment. The GPS tracker sports "bra". What on earth is the point of that in a two game series? :rolleyes:

happyoutscan

UsBus wrote: »

You couldn't even call this sport.....complete rubbish.
Id say some of them are embarrassed to be out there at this stage

Completely one sided, ridiculous really. I know you can only beat what is put in front of you but this Aussie selection couldn't come to grips with the game at all.

theoneeyedman

ProudDUB wrote: »

I see they are wearing Pat Spillane's favourite garment. The GPS tracker sports "bra". What on earth is the point of that in a two game series? :rolleyes:

There is a huge among spent on this nonsense in trainers coaches statisticians medics etc ...could have been better used imo

ProudDUB

I don't think that the sports bra GPS thing is nonsense at all. They can give managers and coaches much valuable information about a players movement and work rate during games and in training, as a manager can be watching all 15 players at the same time.

But surely its only worthwhile if the players are playing in multiple games & the statisticians can compare and contrast the stats from different games. Using them for a two game series seems a bit silly imo, especially when this set of players will never play with each other, or under this manager ever again. :rolleyes:

Deliverance XXV

The game needs a shake up- whether the rules change or a third team with their national sport is introduced (US & Football?) and it becomes a proper 3-way competition. Bigger crowd draw, revenue, interest and competition.

The round ball definitely gives a much larger advantage to the Irish. Why not trial a ball that's in-between the dimensions of both balls? Slightly oval but with a more predictable bounce? Something needs to give for this to survive. Shame as the early years were actually pretty entertaining.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Aussie clubs are never going to release their star players and risk injuries imo. professional sport and their only interest is themselves and rightly so.

time to start promoting the Railway cup properly and give the winners a trip abroad because thats all they get out of this every couple of years.

the only advantage the Aussies had in this was their physical strength and we have now matched this with the training required for modern GAA. everything else in our favour.

I agree ,this competition serves no real purpose and only puts another strain on an already heavy burdened club championship.

Hopefully after that hammering the aussies will loose what little interest they have it it,and it be ended next year.

Lemlin

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I agree ,this competition serves no real purpose and only puts another strain on an already heavy burdened club championship.

Hopefully after that hammering the aussies will loose what little interest they have it it,and it be ended next year.

Doesn't it happen every two years? With half of Ireland living in Australia, I reckon it will be continued.

soap1978

What if they removed the goals and had no goalkeepers and have one game with round ball and the other with the aussie rules ball

Duckworth_Luas

soap1978 wrote: »

What if they removed the goals and had no goalkeepers and have one game with round ball and the other with the aussie rules ball

It's been done!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1d07gYl8o

Flukey

In fairness about the round ball issue, they did drop it, spill it, make bad passes, miss catches, have bad shots and so on... and so did the Australians. Once again, the Australians showed some very good stuff with the ball, making many great catches, great passes, great scores and so on. Yet again the round ball myth was exposed. From when they came out in the warm up, they were kicking the ball great, making fabulous catches and passes, hitting some great balls right over the black spot. They did a lot of the same when the match started. They lost because they were a poor team, played bad tactics, took the wrong options or no options at all. They did things like trying to get the ball in too close before trying for a score, yet at other times proving they could score from distance. They should have had a shot a lot more often. Their low total wasn't down to them missing, but not trying to shoot enough. They passed when they shouldn't have passed, and didn't pass when they should have. Their support play and defending wasn't good. They lost for lots of reasons, but the round ball wasn't one of them. It was an excuse, but not a reason. The Irish did all the bad things with the ball that the Australians did, and the Australians did all the good things with the ball that the Irish did. Maybe they could have both balls, a half each, alternating it in quarters. That would be interesting and it might stop people perpetuating the myth about the Australians and the round ball.

The mark is a disadvantage to them, in that they kept taking it, instead of keeping the ball moving. They had some fast guys who didn't use that pace, preferring to stop dead when they caught the ball, giving the Irish the chance to regroup. They also expected Ireland to take it more often than they did, because that is in their mindset, but when the Irish did keep moving, they left the Australians behind. If I could make one rule change, it would be to get rid of the mark. There would be more scores without it. At one stage an Irish player got the ball on the 21 yard line almost straight in front of the goal, in good space, with some defenders nearby, though not too close, and with some colleagues there too. If he'd kept moving, as he would have if it was a Gaelic Football match, there was a great chance of a goal. Instead he opted for the mark, and the goal chance was gone. Maybe they could bring in the oval ball for half the match, but first get rid of that stupid mark. It adds nothing and takes away so much from the game. A whistle blowing every time a player caught the ball is also very distracting. The best of the play, by both teams, was when they ignored the mark. The only good thing about the mark is that it can be ignored. If players promised to do that and kept that promise, then we could consider leaving it in the rule book.

As for next year, if the Australians put out a decent team, then it would be more interesting and competitive again. The Australians could even win, as they have often before. After this year, it is 9 - 8 to Ireland in terms of the series and 20 - 16 in terms of tests. Not bad for the Australians, considering they are meant to have so many problems with the ball. If they do win next year, just like on all other occasions that they have won, there won't even be a mention about the ball being round.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Ended up going to this today. Wasn't great, it's the mark that kills, apart from that I think it's a very good game. The rugby tackle speeds up the speed of play a lot, as does the unlimited substitutions. If it was yer own county that was playing I'd say people would love it. It's just impossible to get into it.

On the whole Aussie with the round ball debate, I think today conclusively proved (not that it needed proving) that the Irish have a major advantage with the round ball. The Australians, and it was particularly obvious today, have major difficulty picking out 20+ yard foot passes, which obviously hinders them a lot.

Thought Neil Magee and Conor McManus were the two stand-out players, but then again the Aussies were pathetic. It was like a training game at time. I've rarely seen such a one sided game.

Stoner

Was at the game too, looking at the programme this looked like the biggest win ever.

It was a non contest, 28520 was the attendance, best thing was the bird dancing at half time.

Still glad I went but it was men against boys, nothing much to look at.

thebaz

the series goes in swings and roundabouts - we hammered them this time - but wouldn't be too cocky , the last time Australia sent a full team they litterally hammered us , and ther were calls for the unfairnesss , of having Pros against amateurs - surely something more equal could be dreamed up. as it is, it is a shambles , i agree.

keeponhurling

Stoner wrote: »

It was a non contest, 28520 was the attendance, best thing was the bird dancing at half time.

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With the attendance would the GAA have actually lost money on it?
I heard before that they need 30k+ to justify opening Croker.

I guess they were hoping for mroe than that, and it would send out a bad message if they don't hold at least one game in Croker, but it's certainly food for thought.

salmocab

Was away so didn't see any of either game but from past views think Ireland have a bigger advantage with round ball and especially goal keepers. However think its just a bit of a makey up game and can never really be any type of spectacle, I think its time to knock this on the head.

homerjay2005

keeponhurling wrote: »

With the attendance would the GAA have actually lost money on it?
I heard before that they need 30k+ to justify opening Croker.

I guess they were hoping for mroe than that, and it would send out a bad message if they don't hold at least one game in Croker, but it's certainly food for thought.

what was the total attendance at the two games?

Stoner

Think there was 17.5k at the first and 28.5K at the second. The 30k mark was mentioned before but it's not correct there are plenty of posts here about it . I do remember the comment but I understand it was grossly exaggerated,

Ruggbugg

I cant understand why the GAA persist with this contrived sport, the only reason I can think of is that they want to convince themselves that this is an international sport and their players can wear the 'Irish' Shirt. The reality is that hurling and football are tribal sports played with great skill between clubs and counties within the state, it is the perfect competition where there is always an Irish winner. Unless of course we include London who have excelled recently, however this team is made up of expats all of whom will return home anyway when the economy lifts.

I loved the comment somewhere back along in this thread where a crowd comparison is made between the Rabo match last weekend at the RDS between two Irish clubs and an International rules match. The reality is that Leinster, Munster or Ulster routinely attract 50,000 to Heineken Cup matches depending on stadium capacity.

munchkin_utd

Ruggbugg wrote: »

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I loved the comment somewhere back along in this thread where a crowd comparison is made between the Rabo match last weekend at the RDS between two Irish clubs and an International rules match. The reality is that Leinster, Munster or Ulster routinely attract 50,000 to Heineken Cup matches depending on stadium capacity.

that Munster and/ or Leinster "routinely" get to the later stages of the Heineken cup where then they have large attendances, is a great situation for irish sport to have but I wouldnt be sure if getting to the semi final or final of the major European club competition every year. And I wouldnt be sure of the Heineken cup even existing in the near future, but thats another matter altogether.

I'd regard Leinsters RDS attendances of consistently 15k+ with minimal attendance of away fans to be more of an achievement than creating a bit of a stir when they play a latter stage knockout game. For the 2011-2012 season they had 12 games at home in the RDS in the rabo league with 14500 to 18000 attending which is great going, and then the odd big game in the Aviva as a bonus on top of the bread and butter games.

willabur

salmocab wrote: »

. However think its just a bit of a makey up game

moot point as all games are makey uppie

Fireball07

Rules-wise, I think it's quite interesting and could potentially be good to watch, although I'd have to see two teams play with a blanket defence and see what effect that would have.


I would be interested in seeing what the introduction of the mark could do to gaelic football.....

Gerry91

Fireball07 wrote: »

Rules-wise, I think it's quite interesting and could potentially be good to watch, although I'd have to see two teams play with a blanket defence and see what effect that would have.


I would be interested in seeing what the introduction of the mark could do to gaelic football.....

I like the idea of it being used if you directly field a kick out. Superb skill

death1234567

THFC wrote: »

apart from that I think it's a very good game.

:eek: Really? I think its a mess. It doesn't work at all, never has and never will, regardless of the endless rule changes. The sooner it's scrapped the better for all concerned.

Mr. Incognito

I was at the game. Most of the attendance seemed to be school kids. Very poor game and no athmosphere

willabur

death1234567 wrote: »

:eek: Really? I think its a mess. It doesn't work at all, never has and never will, regardless of the endless rule changes. The sooner it's scrapped the better for all concerned.

Its an enjoyable game to play - the massive problem is the Australian apathy towards it

Stoner

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I was at the game. Most of the attendance seemed to be school kids. Very poor game and no athmosphere

I've been at a good few of these and this was the first time there was zero atmosphere.

They have been very enjoyable in the past so I'd love to see it go back to that.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

death1234567 wrote: »

:eek: Really? I think its a mess. It doesn't work at all, never has and never will, regardless of the endless rule changes. The sooner it's scrapped the better for all concerned.

How exactly is the game a mess? There hasn't been too many rule changes either by my recollection. I found it to be played at a much quicker pace than football matches, as a result of the rugby tackle, a lot less players trying to take players on, a lot more offloads once the ball is caught, a lot more running off the ball and no endless handpassing like in football. The only rule I'd scrap is the mark in open play, if they introduced some sort of other mark I think it would be a great game.

Tombo2001

The only way to save this is to play one match gaelic football and the other aussie rules.

Compromise rules just isnt a sport.

keeponhurling

Tombo2001 wrote: »

The only way to save this is to play one match gaelic football and the other aussie rules.

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2 extremely one-sided games isn't the way to go

Tombo2001

keeponhurling wrote: »

2 extremely one-sided games isn't the way to go

We had two extremely one-sided games last week......except that the same team won both.

At least with my suggestion it might be close at the end.

To be honest I think its a redundant discussion as I dont see the series happening again in its current form, its beyond saving.

keane2097

Surprised to hear people giving out/confused about the GPS trackers. A game with rolling subs is the ideal time to use them.

Also surprised not to hear more talk about the refs counting and limiting the number of consecutive hand passes which could be a great addition to football.