Mike Perez fighting on Novemeber 2nd on ggg undercard on sky sports

Johner

Decent stuff from Stevens at the end of that round.

Big Ears

We got ourselves a fight !


Mind you, I think the more Stevens throws, the quicker Golovkin will end this.

megadodge

Golovkin is definitely finding it hard to find his way past Stevens tight guard. He's actually better off when Stevens is throwing punches.

megadodge

Big round for GGG there.

It's stopped!

The body punches started it all off. Sickeners.

Stevens did better than expected, but it was getting worse for him the longer it went.

rebelomar

Big Ears wrote: »

He's exceptionally relaxed and has an exceptionally smart ring IQ. His conditioning was pants, but he knows how and when to get a breather in there. At times he came forward, backing Mago up and bobbing his head side to side......but he had no intention to punch, just make Mago think he did so he could recover. He was buying breathers in pretty much every round here and there, and was having to hold back his power a bit to save energy.

Had he come in, in shape he'd have got rid of Mago within 4.
You are right though, it's not all about physique, afterall Toney was fairly inshape despite being fat, as Arreola often used to be. But there's no doubt Mike wasn't in good shape tonight and it could of cost him a win against a guy not in his class.

Agree with you. I think he comes in at 224lbs and you see a ripped conditioned Perez.

If he was lighter his punches would be the bit quicker and sharper imo and also would be more gas in the tank to allow him press the stoppage.

The plus points are his chin looks solid and you mentioned his ring IQ is top notch.

A lot of talent there unquestionably.

Rhys Essien

Don't forget this was only Mike's second fight this year.He didn't fight in 2012.Mago had 4 last year and 2 already this year.

Rhys Essien

Who's next for Mike and how long till he gets one of the belts?

Thoughts.

Also,a lot of praise for him on twitter.

https://twitter.com/search?q=mike%20perez&src=typd

HigginsJ

Hi guys anyone back Mike Perez last night? I did a treble with Perez, Olofabi & GGG but yet to pay out. Perez result still at pending

gene_tunney

HigginsJ wrote: »

Hi guys anyone back Mike Perez last night? I did a treble with Perez, Olofabi & GGG but yet to pay out. Perez result still at pending

Paddy Power paid out on Perez for me

Johner

A fight next against a Tony Thompson or the like would be perfect, big enough name over there but very beatable.

gene_tunney

Johner wrote: »

A fight next against a Tony Thompson or the like would be perfect, big enough name over there but very beatable.

Not a bad call in fairness.

rebelomar

gene_tunney wrote: »

Paddy Power paid out on Perez for me

Paid out on Perez for me too

HigginsJ

gene_tunney wrote: »

Paddy Power paid out on Perez for me

Thanks. For some reason it didn't pay out for me until nearly 1 this afternoon but still happy days

barney4001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ1nmBaDqYQ

an easy enough win for perez

perez deducted a point in 8th,perez sure proved he could take heavy shots here as well

barney4001

fighting tube

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbAsYaIHDluBU76GB5CgsSg?feature=watch

barney4001

Magomed Abdusalamov has a blood clot and is currently in hospital.

Magomed took a turn for the worse earlier today, he's now in a doctor-induced coma.

sorry to hear of this ,he gave his all in that fight

Johner

That is awful to hear, hope he gets better soon. He gained a lot of fans last night for his performance and lost nothing in defeat. A real warrior let's hope he is okay.

Frankie Lee

Fingers crossed for him, the HBO commentators were concerned for his safety from round 6 onwards and with good reason as it turns out.

Kaizer Sosa

Looks like Abdusalamov is now in a medically induced coma unfortunately. He started getting headaches and getting sick shortly after the fight and doctors have discovered a blood clot on his brain so they've put him in a coma to aid his recovery.

Tiriel

Kaizer Sosa wrote: »

Looks like Abdusalamov is now in a medically induced coma unfortunately. He started getting headaches and getting sick shortly after the fight and doctors have discovered a blood clot on his brain so they've put him in a coma to aid his recovery.

Very sad to hear that. With Curtis' corner calling a halt to the Golivkin fight, it does make you wonder how Abdusalamov fought to the end - I know he was much closer in points etc but his face looked battered well before the end. Hope all is ok for him and a speedy recovery.


Mod note- I've moved a couple of threads in here, better than having 4 threads all discussing this fight.

menoscemo

Big Ears wrote: »

Really shows how little guys fighting below World title level get. Perez and Abdusalamov are seen as 2 decent Heavyweight prospects, fighting each other in a 50/50 fight and it's highly likely at least one of them will get a title shot (or at least an eliminator for a title shot) some day.

Their purses:, $40,000 (~€29,500) Abdusalamov, and $30,000 (~€22,100) Perez. So when all the fees are paid, and everyone is looked after, they'll likely take home about €17,700 and €13,260 respectively (60% of their purse).
Keep in mind this is Abdusalamov's 3rd fight of the year and will be Perez's 2nd.
A real hard living....

It really is .

Henno30

Henno30

walshb

I was impressed with GGG. Still think he'd be best advised to stay at 160 lbs. For me he looks a little too small for the likes of Froch and Ward and Kessler etc.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

I was impressed with GGG. Still think he'd be best advised to stay at 160 lbs. For me he looks a little too small for the likes of Froch and Ward and Kessler etc.

I agree. For many reasons he's best off at 160 for now. Size is definitely one of them, but it also seems like 160 has more potential to be a money making division a couple of years down the road. He would be facing very hard fights at 168 without the prospect of mega paydays that would compensate. 168 will always be there for him anyway.

It was a hell of a fight. I've seen some people criticise Stevens but I thought he was gutsy as hell. Yeah, perhaps he should have gone for broke early and taken bigger risks but it's easy to say that sitting at your keyboard. He took a lot of punishment and kept coming back and he deserves a ton of credit for that.

Golovkin looked a terrifying figure at times I thought, to an even greater extent than he did over his last few fights. In that eighth round there was almost something nightmarish about him.

Sure he does get hit and there are holes there, but those flaws pale in comparison to his offensive capability which really is something quite remarkable. He is first and foremost an incredible spectacle as a fighter and from his interviews I get the impression he understands how it works. He will take shots to remain on the front foot and put on a show. The day is going to come where a stronger man puts him in the back foot and negates much of what makes him an effective operator at the highest level, but at 160 it's not easy to see anyone in the current class being up to the job.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Sure he does get hit and there are holes there, but those flaws pale in comparison to his offensive capability which really is something quite remarkable. He is first and foremost an incredible spectacle as a fighter and from his interviews I get the impression he understands how it works. He will take shots to remain on the front foot and put on a show. The day is going to come where a stronger man puts him in the back foot and negates much of what makes him an effective operator at the highest level, but at 160 it's not easy to see anyone in the current class being up to the job.

His defense is quite leaky alright, and he's a bit lucky that he isn't in the era of the 80s and 90s. Some brutal men would have really hurt him IMO. For me the MW division is quite ordinary today. He stands out, but for me it's as much to do with the opposition as it is to do with him.

Henno30

walshb wrote: »

His defense is quite leaky alright, and he's a bit lucky that he isn't in the era of the 80s and 90s. Some brutal men would have really hurt him IMO. For me the MW division is quite ordinary today. He stands out, but for me it's as much to do with the opposition as it is to do with him.

The MW division is far from stellar right now, no question about that. Thank god for GGG. Without him you'd really have nothing there except for a faded Sergio. Quillin's decent but ultimately quite ordinary. He can punch but there's nothing that really stands out about him. Chavez Jr is a joke and shouldn't be in the division anyway. After that all you've really got is a string of solid British and Irish lads who are respectable at the world level but not much more.

Golovkin brings a bit of life to the division again I think, a bit of star power, or star potential at least. You'd like to think that himself and Canelo might mix it up in a few years when Canelo moves up and we could have a real middleweight super fight again.

Henno30

Golovkin says he'd make 154 to fight Floyd. Obviously it'll never happen, but if it did, does Golovkin beat him?

Big Ears

Henno30 wrote: »

Golovkin says he'd make 154 to fight Floyd. Obviously it'll never happen, but if it did, does Golovkin beat him?

It'll certainly never happen alright. I share Andy Lee's opinion on this, I reckon Golovkin would be too much for Floyd. A different prospect to Canelo Alvarez altogether.

Henno30

Off topic, but it's starting to look like Sergio vs Cotto is close to being made for sometime in mid-2014.

barney4001

menoscemo wrote: »

It really is .

where did he get those figures from ???

richierichballs

GGG beating Floyd? ha.

Henno30

Big Ears wrote: »

It'll certainly never happen alright. I share Andy Lee's opinion on this, I reckon Golovkin would be too much for Floyd. A different prospect to Canelo Alvarez altogether.

I agree. Quite apart from the aura which surrounds him at the moment, I think Golovkin an excellent toolkit with which to approach the problem of Mayweather.

First off an perhaps most importantly he has an outstanding jab. This is crucial against Mayweather as you need to exert some control over his movement in the ring. Golovkin's jab is the best Mayweather would have faced, better than Cotto's and better than the faded DLH's. GGG can score with the jab, he can hurt you with the jab, but most importantly he can make Floyd respect the jab which is absolutely critical. Once a guy can do that he actually has a foothold in the fight.

The second key attribute Golovkin brings is very solid footwork and an excellent ability to cut off the ring. Again this is massive, as backing Mayweather up with the jab isn't much use if he just dances away when he finds himself near the ropes. Golovkin is capable of preventing that as he understands the art of cornering a guy and he has the physical power and grappling ability to stop a guy from barging straight out.

The third element that gives Golovkin a huge shot in this fight is the quality if his punch placement when his opponent is against the ropes. Mayweather is extremely good in this situation. Normally when guys get him backed into the ropes, the red mist descends and they just try to unload on him, throwing absolutely everything they have. And of course it doesn't work. Floyd's defensive shell and shoulder rolling typically lets him escape such a barrage without a single clean shot being landed.

What's worse, the opponents usually punch themselves out and relent, and Floyd takes full advantage by landing clean hooks and uppercuts as they try to back out. The key is not to smother your work, but to keep a tight guard and unleash combinations that go up and down the body. This is what worked for Cotto. He didn't headhunt, he picked his moments, got his shots off, and unless holes had appeared in Floyd's defence he backed out quickly and reset, denying Floyd the opportunity to counter or to catch him on the way out.

On all available evidence Golovkin is excellent in these situations. He's a devastating body puncher obviously, but he knows how to put shots together in a controlled fashion as well which is arguably more important. In a way that most guys can't, he has the ability to win exchanges against the ropes vs Mayweather in a convincing enough fashion to win him rounds.

Based on what we saw in the fights where he has lost the most rounds, i.e. Castillo, DLH, and Cotto this is how Floyd can be made vulnerable. Exchanging with him in open country is suicide, as he's too fast and too smart. And once you see a guy trying to land power shots on Mayweather in open country you can turn the fight off as you know he hasn't a hope in hell. Cotto understood this, or at least Pedro Diaz did, and for me he did an awful lot right in that fight as a result.

I think the question marks you would have over Golovkin would be two-fold. Is his defence tight enough in the centre of the ring to stop Floyd stealing the round with potshots? And is his stamina good enough to carry this strategy through the late rounds if necessary? I have my doubts about both, but on balance I think he does everything else well enough to still make him a solid favourite in this match-up.

Henno30

pac_man wrote: »

The frailties that I see in Golovkin's skills are he gets hit too often, he has ordinary hand speed and there isn't a great artillery in terms of punch selection. Has he ever been put down in the amatures? It mad how people are thinking its a foregone conclusion that he beats Martinez. If the rumors are to be true(Kovalev lasting a few rounds with him in sparring), the only people who I think can beat him are Ward and Martinez.

I think that assumption is based on Martinez looking pretty bad against Murray. The injuries seem to be piling up and a return to something like his best is very much in doubt. A prime Sergio is a different story but against the version who fought Murray, Golovkin would have to be favoured.

richierichballs

Golovkin vs Chavez jr - thats a fight I wanna see.

Winner gets Martinez.

Big Ears

barney4001 wrote: »

where did he get those figures from ???

I got the purse figures from Dan Rafael's twitter, and tbf Dan is fairly in the know when it comes to this sort of thing. I then just converted the purses to Euro and made an assumption that the fighters would get ~60% (this could potentially be off the mark by a bit in either direction).

richierichballs wrote: »

GGG beating Floyd? ha.

Richie, how do you think the following fighters would do vs Floyd:
Ward, Froch, Stevenson, Wlad ?

Frankie Lee

pac_man wrote: »

The frailties that I see in Golovkin's skills are he gets hit too often, he has ordinary hand speed and there isn't a great artillery in terms of punch selection. Has he ever been put down in the amatures? It mad how people are thinking its a foregone conclusion that he beats Martinez. If the rumors are to be true(Kovalev lasting a few rounds with him in sparring), the only people who I think can beat him are Ward and Martinez.

According to a somewhat biased Wikipedia page his amateur record was 345-5 and he has never been knocked down. He spars heavyweights too.

“He’s a f__king beast,” said Coyne, a 20-0 cruiserweight prospect who has recently dropped down to light heavyweight. “He’s been running guys out of here. Nobody under 175 pounds will spar with him.
“I’ve sparred with heavyweights who can punch, including Mariusz Wach and Mike Perez, nobody has hit me as hard as Golovkin. His power is out of this world.”
Golovkin’s punching prowess was on display – along with his underrated ring generalship – during his first four rounds of sparring with Imoesiri, a 6-foot-2 amateur heavyweight who was recently part of the L.A. Matadors semi-pro boxing squad.
From the beginning of the first round, Golovkin gradually cut the ring off on Imoesiri, feinting and jabbing his way inside where he “tapped” the nimble 24 year old’s body with left hooks. (When I say “tapped” I mean that he didn’t appear to put much effort into the shots, however, the punches made a loud smacking noise when they landed – and Imoesiri noticeably winced in pain.)
Golovkin stunned Imoesiri into the ropes with a lead right midway through the round, prompting the amateur standout fire back a four-punch combination with impressive hand speed. However, Golovkin blocked the shots and pushed the bigger man back into the ropes.
The ring had become a very small space for Imoesiri within the span of four minutes (the length of all of Golovkin’s sparring rounds).

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/174431-gym-notes-giant-killer-golovkin-looks-ready-for-proksa

I know Floyd Mayweather is as tough as they come but I could not see him coping with Golovkin's power.

DK224

Hopefully Abdusalamov pulls through, reports today is that he is now in a stable condition.
Onto Perez I could see HBO matching him up with Arreola. After the Klitschko - Povetkin snoozefest (which they criticised in commentary during the Perez fight) they are looking to build up some excitement in the division and like last weekend to showcase more evenly matched guys and a match up with Arreola is surely a can't miss exciting fight.

walshb

I think Floyd would be too quick for GG. Wins via close decision!

alanceltic

DK224 wrote: »

Hopefully Abdusalamov pulls through, reports today is that he is now in a stable condition.

Please god he does

Henno30

This card got 1.5 million viewers on Saturday night. Very significant numbers, looks like Golovkin is impressing people. It's the third highest rating for a HBO card this year, behind only Cotto (vs Rodriguez) and Chavez Jr (vs Vera).

gaybeer

I think people should remember Mattyse when talking about GGG. I would like to see him beat a Cotto, Trout, Canelo etc before assuming he beats Mayweather. While he has huge upside he is still pretty unproven with Macklin still his best win.

walshb

gaybeer wrote: »

I think people should remember Mattyse when talking about GGG. I would like to see him beat a Cotto, Trout, Canelo etc before assuming he beats Mayweather. While he has huge upside he is still pretty unproven with Macklin still his best win.

I sort of agree here. No issue with folks picking GG to beat Mayweather. I do think that folks who laugh at the suggestion that GG could beat Mayweather is strange. He is a very talented and natural MW fighter. Floyd is a WW. GG beating the likes of Macklin does nothing to really really impress me. I expected a brutal win and I got one.

Henno30

It impressed me. Macklin went 11 rounds with Martinez and was running for his life before the end of the 1st against Golovkin.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

It impressed me. Macklin went 11 rounds with Martinez and was running for his life before the end of the 1st against Golovkin.

Martinez is almost 40 and is a blown up JMW. He is not a killer. Macklin would be run out of any ring against a real heavy handed and natural MW with talent!

Henno30

Martinez is also the middleweight champion of the world and was universally recognised as top 5 P4P when Mackln fought him. I'm not suggesting that Macklin was an elite level opponent or anything like that but to dismiss Golovkin's performance against him is a bit much in my opinion. For where he is in his career it was a significant win.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

Martinez is also the middleweight champion of the world and was universally recognised as top 5 P4P when Mackln fought him. I'm not suggesting that Macklin was an elite level opponent or anything like that but to dismiss Golovkin's performance against him is a bit much in my opinion. For where he is in his career it was a significant win.

I didn't dismiss it. It was impressive. I just want to wait to see him do it against real quality.

gaybeer

Henno30 wrote: »

Martinez is also the middleweight champion of the world and was universally recognised as top 5 P4P when Mackln fought him. I'm not suggesting that Macklin was an elite level opponent or anything like that but to dismiss Golovkin's performance against him is a bit much in my opinion. For where he is in his career it was a significant win.

Your kind of making my point for me. I was very impressed with GGG when he blew out Macklin, who wouldn't be. My point was that while an impressive win GGG still hasn't performed against a really top fighter, I think Martinez would be that top fighter. So while it was a very good win, I don't think that we should all assume that he runs over these these top guys. I used Mattyese as an example as he looks like a wrecking ball against the B tier guys but struggled when stepping up in class. I am a big GGG fan and think that he has a great chance of beating Martinez but I wouldn't be surprised if he came up short.

gene_tunney

Henno30 wrote: »

It impressed me. Macklin went 11 rounds with Martinez and was running for his life before the end of the 1st against Golovkin.

It impressed me too. The manner and sheer emphatic one-sidedness of the fight was impressive. Macklin never looked remotely in the fight.

Frankie Lee

walshb wrote: »

I didn't dismiss it. It was impressive. I just want to wait to see him do it against real quality.

Real quality fighters won't go near him however, only those who are on the fringes of getting world title shots will take the chance.