Things In American Football That Grind Your Gears

SantryRed

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As for the Brandon Marshall think, it was not in the spirit of anything but it was certainly within the rights of the NFL to prevent him wearing green shoes to promote a cause.
It's a bit like the Chad Johnson and his name tag think back in the day

What? So players should be forced to promote the cause of one thing over another? What a load of bollocks. It's a joke that Marshall was fined for wanting to wear something as a one off to raise awareness for mental health. This proves some of thinking behind the whole pink thing for the month of October.

PokeHerKing

bruschi wrote: »

yeah, Hitler and cancer being the main things...

The staples of any serious football discussion!

HigginsJ

SantryRed wrote: »

What? So players should be forced to promote the cause of one thing over another? What a load of bollocks. It's a joke that Marshall was fined for wanting to wear something as a one off to raise awareness for mental health. This proves some of thinking behind the whole pink thing for the month of October.

I think rules are rules & Marshall should have been fined but I think the NFL missed a great oppurtunity to give something back by not donating
Marshall's fine to the mental health awareness he was trying to promote.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As for the Brandon Marshall think, it was not in the spirit of anything but it was certainly within the rights of the NFL to prevent him wearing green shoes to promote a cause.
It's a bit like the Chad Johnson and his name tag think back in the day

Marshall suffers from a mental illness & was trying to raise awareness of it. Chad changing his name was nothing but Chad being Chad. They two cases are completely different.

P_1

The whole Breast Cancer Awareness month is awful groupthink IMO, especially when you note the Brandon Marshall green boots incident. Now it is doign some good in raising money but really they should be donating a much higher percentage of the sales of pink jerseys, tshirts and accessories to charity than they currently do

Red Crow

P_1 wrote: »

The whole Breast Cancer Awareness month is awful groupthink IMO, especially when you note the Brandon Marshall green boots incident. Now it is doign some good in raising money but really they should be donating a much higher percentage of the sales of pink jerseys, tshirts and accessories to charity than they currently do

The breast cancer awareness month is a complete load of rubbish in the NFL. I'd be much more supportive they tried to promote awareness for different cancers or diseases for a single month each season and maybe colour coordinate that too.

In its current format it raises very little awareness and it's purpose is to solely line the pockets of the owners and NFL becuase people buy those stupid pink clothes. Also NFL is a sport that is 99% watched and supported by males. If the NFL wants to be a 'do-gooder' then should they not represent an awareness campaign that their supporters can directly relate to or at least the majority of their supporters can relate to.

It's like black history month; pointless.

ABajaninCork

Red Crow wrote: »

It's like black history month; pointless.

Why is Black History Month pointless?

It is absolutely right to highlight breast cancer.

It is absolutely wrong that any campaign, breast cancer, wear a poppy, kick out racism, whatever (all very laudable) become compulsory or not joining in is met by sanction or disapproval.

After all, freedom of speech, which comes with the corollary, freedom not to speak, and that is also laudable.

Plus I think there is a tipping point where a campaign becomes a fashion statement, ala the Livestring wristbands, and kinda becomes almost...hollow. But that's a separate issue from the above.

Red Crow

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Why is Black History Month pointless?

Yes, let's designate a single month to one race... It's stupid. Many black Americans are highly critical of it too. The whole idea is pointless. If anything it's demeaning.

P_1

Deleted User wrote: »

It is absolutely right to highlight breast cancer.

It is absolutely wrong that any campaign, breast cancer, wear a poppy, kick out racism, whatever (all very laudable) become compulsory or not joining in is met by sanction or disapproval.

After all, freedom of speech, which comes with the corollary, freedom not to speak, and that is also laudable.

Plus I think there is a tipping point where a campaign becomes a fashion statement, ala the Livestring wristbands, and kinda becomes almost...hollow. But that's a separate issue from the above.

Exactly my thoughts. It is quite alarming that any legitimate criticism of movements like that (and the poppy in the UK and the mini Stars and Stripes badge in the States) are so loudly shouted down tbh.

Fr Tod Umptious

SantryRed wrote: »

What? So players should be forced to promote the cause of one thing over another? What a load of bollocks. It's a joke that Marshall was fined for wanting to wear something as a one off to raise awareness for mental health. This proves some of thinking behind the whole pink thing for the month of October.

HigginsJ wrote: »

I think rules are rules & Marshall should have been fined but I think the NFL missed a great oppurtunity to give something back by not donating
Marshall's fine to the mental health awareness he was trying to promote.




Marshall suffers from a mental illness & was trying to raise awareness of it. Chad changing his name was nothing but Chad being Chad. They two cases are completely different.

As I said their actions in the Marshall incident were not in the spirit of anything and from the outside looking in it stinks of pettiness.

But my reading of it would be that the NFL have a contractual agreement with breast cancer charities to promote their campaigns for the month of October, so therefore the promotion of other charities on the field by individual players would be in breach of that contract in some shape or form.

It's a bit like ambush marketing by non official sponsors at things like the world cup.

Chucky the tree

Arawn wrote: »

The one thing I don't agree with was they nfl almost stopped a player from playing a game for refusing to wear pink boots. He wanted to wear green for national mental health week, which iirc he took medication for, or some of his family did. To me that is pathetic from the nfl

One of my pets hates is when people complain about companies etc enforcing their rules I have to say. Marshall knew the rules and knew he'd be fined if he did it anyway. As Fr Tod Umptious points out a lot of it will be because NFL have contracts to honour. But even still they can't set up a rule about clothing an then allow people to break it. Then you'll simply have everyone wearing different colour boots and claiming it's for X cause.

HigginsJ wrote: »

It was Brandon Marshall. He got a fine of $10,500 which he is matching with a donation to the charity. I think the NFL should have came out to say they were going to donate his fine as well but they have said nothing.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000264467/article/chicago-bears-brandon-marshall-fined-10500-for-green-shoes

https://mobile.twitter.com/BMarshall/status/390429828232400896/photo/1

All the money the NFL collects from fines goes to charities/good causes.

Arawn

Chucky the tree wrote: »

One of my pets hates is when people complain about companies etc enforcing their rules I have to say. Marshall knew the rules and knew he'd be fined if he did it anyway. As Fr Tod Umptious points out a lot of it will be because NFL have contracts to honour. But even still they can't set up a rule about clothing an then allow people to break it. Then you'll simply have everyone wearing different colour boots and claiming it's for X cause.






All the money the NFL collects from fines goes to charities/good causes.

it's the almost stopping him from playing I find pathetic. And if he chooses to support something he has experience with the nfl should show some decency. I really don't like the contract system in the states. Gives the nfl much too much power

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

mikemac1 wrote: »

World Champions. If Clare called themselves World Champions in hurling they would be ridiculed :P

LOL, I'm gonna start saying that, nice ring to it!

ads are my main gripe as well. and the content of some the ads as well.
imagine the cialis ads on all the time during the hurling season, it'd be well weird watching with your auld lad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoG-HyKcqA

Tristram

I feel a "Things in the American Football Forum That Grind Your Gears" thread coming on.

edit: this post was a joke

Realt Dearg Sec

Tristram wrote: »

I feel a "Things in the American Football Forum That Grind Your Gears" thread coming on.

Should be a good way to kick off a productive, positive discussion that will strengthen friendships and enhance the AF community that's been built up over the years...

Realt Dearg Sec

Tristram wrote: »

I feel a "Things in the American Football Forum That Grind Your Gears" thread coming on.

Should be a good way to kick off a productive, positive discussion that will strengthen friendships and enhance the AF community that's been built up over the years...

Neil3030

Tristram wrote: »

I feel a "Things in the American Football Forum That Grind Your Gears" thread coming on.

It already exists!

It's called my PM inbox!! :mad:

Thud

I find running down the clock and taking a knee a very anticlimactical way to end a game. Could easily be rectified to keep it interesting until the end of actual time

helimachoptor

Thud wrote: »

I find running down the clock and taking a knee a very anticlimactical way to end a game. Could easily be rectified to keep it interesting until the end of actual time

I like that aspect of it, i means that the strategy needed coming to the end of the game is going to have to be spot on,

you're on 2nd down with 3 mins to go, do you pass and get a 1st down and force the team to burn their TOs but also risk an int, but more likely an incompletion which stops the clock, or do you just keep running...

Thud

helimachoptor wrote: »

I like that aspect of it, i means that the strategy needed coming to the end of the game is going to have to be spot on,

you're on 2nd down with 3 mins to go, do you pass and get a 1st down and force the team to burn their TOs but also risk and int, but more likely an incompletion which stops the clock, or do you just keep running...

I'm all for managing the clock but you're telling me you prefer to see slow play and stoppages from a team in the lead in the last 3 minutes of a tight game and then a knee with 30seconds left instead of the team that's losing making a drive up the field with 30 second left to try to win the game?

Leslie91

Speaking of the ads... the bombardment of ED ads kinda freaks me out and irritates me at the same time. I just don't think it's right to be showing those ads during 'football' games. I look at the characters in those ads and wonder, did they really know the video would be used to advertise this issue that some men have?, I guess the likes of Cialis and Viagra are making so much money they can afford to get the TV companies to run their ads no matter the cost in $.

Cienciano

adrian522 wrote: »

For me I have an issue with the whole Breast Cancer awareness. I feel it's more than just a little bit cynical on the part of the NFL.

Also raising "awareness" of breast cancer is a little pointless, people are more "aware" of breast cancer than they are of any other cancer, there are more checks for breast cancer than any other.

I think it would be a lot more beneficial of the NFL to highlight other forms of cancer that are treatable with early detection than spending all this time on something that already gets loads of exposure.

Of course that's not as good for the NFL as having players wearing pink, selling extra merchandise and getting a load of extra women watching the sport.

Couldn't agree more. Surely with the people who watch NFL (men!) testicular or prostate cancer awareness should be what they focus on? Brest cancer has enough coverage.
Cynical I know, but maybe breast cancer is easier to promote than the other 2? NFL don't really care about breast cancer, they just want to be seen to promote something, doesn't matter if there's better things out there, breast cancer is easy and it just so happens that it might make them some extra money

helimachoptor

There are 4 weeks in October, why cant it just be cancer month and then they can focus on different cancers for the 4 weeks..

CJC86

This one might seem completely odd, and I know a lot of people here would really disagree with me on it, but I don't really like the forward progress rule. I just feel that it's the cause of a lot of injuries because it encourages the "hit" rather than the tackle, and people don't run with as much care for their bodies. I'm a big fan of both rugby and American football, and it seems like people just run in a smarter way in rugby.

Arawn

CJC86 wrote: »

This one might seem completely odd, and I know a lot of people here would really disagree with me on it, but I don't really like the forward progress rule. I just feel that it's the cause of a lot of injuries because it encourages the "hit" rather than the tackle, and people don't run with as much care for their bodies. I'm a big fan of both rugby and American football, and it seems like people just run in a smarter way in rugby.

probably because when you go down in rugby the game doesn't stop

spank_inferno

helimachoptor wrote: »

There are 4 weeks in October, why cant it just be cancer month and then they can focus on different cancers for the 4 weeks..

Surely 5 months of breast cancer awareness is needed until all men in America are aware that breasts exists and that from time to time they get cancer.

Then it can end.

Keiweb

I'm a 49ers fan and the constant stupid penalties teams give away for first downs when you have the other team backed up grinds my gears

spiralism

The whole breast cancer awareness month as everyone has already said. There's probably the highest level of awareness of breast cancer of any cancer due to numerous campaigns, in a male dominated viewership it just reeks of cynical marketing of pink gear to women.

Yet by the same token there's nothing to be heard of campaigns like Movember in the NFL because they dont see the possibility of milking it like they do with breast cancer awareness month. Why have a campaign that would strike a chord with a lot of the viewership, get plenty of players involved and raise awareness to a disease far more likely to inflict the average NFL fan if it doesnt make them money i guess..

Likewise, the lack of promotion of mental health awareness issues, especially in light of no less than 3 present or former players committing suicide in the past year alone! Marshall tries to promote it last week and nearly gets the book thrown at him by the league office for not complying with the more marketable campaign! So so cynical.

Also, in general, forcing players to comply with those campaigns takes the good out of it...it's like the poppy situation in england where God help you if you don't wear the commemorative poppy. Really misses the point.

The standard of thursday night football. The fact is that the thursday night game almost always manages to be a total ****fest which is either someone like the 49ers curbstomping the rams or the likes of buffalo @ cleveland. Don't have a game on thursday night for the sake of it, especially if the game would otherwise be buried at the 6pm kickoff and nobody in their right mind would watch it.

Also, people bitching about holding penalties on any play that goes against them. It occurs on every play in some form, stop it, you're looking for an excuse to whinge.

D3PO

the new targeting rule in NCAAF. Guy gets called for targeting is ejected and a 15 yrd penalty. ref reviews reverses the ejection but the 15 yards still happens. FFS whats that about ??

Mr. Guappa

The mess they have made of trying to define what constitutes a catch.

Tristram

How ineffectively some teams use challenges.

helimachoptor

Thud wrote: »

I'm all for managing the clock but you're telling me you prefer to see slow play and stoppages from a team in the lead in the last 3 minutes of a tight game and then a knee with 30seconds left instead of the team that's losing making a drive up the field with 30 second left to try to win the game?

Of course i want to see my team if winning take a knee, it basically guarantees victory.

Obviously if a team is losing they arent going to be taking a knee so they are 2 completely different scenarios.

D3PO

helimachoptor wrote: »

Of course i want to see my team if winning take a knee, it basically guarantees victory.

Obviously if a team is losing they arent going to be taking a knee so they are 2 completely different scenarios.

It happens in loads of time based sports anyway its just more pronounced in AF.

Its the equivalent of running to the corner flag in soccer, or putting the ball up your jumper and picking and going for mins on end in rugby before kicking out of play, doesn't bother me in the slightest its part of the game.

Danger_dave1

Breast cancer is the second most common newly diagnosed cancer and second leading cause of cancer death among women in the US. It deserves all the air time it gets.

I do dislike how they fine players for highlighting other illnesses during the month, Brandon marshall this year, Reggie wayne last year getting fines .

Chucky the tree

spiralism wrote: »

Likewise, the lack of promotion of mental health awareness issues, especially in light of no less than 3 present or former players committing suicide in the past year alone! Marshall tries to promote it last week and nearly gets the book thrown at him by the league office for not complying with the more marketable campaign! So so cynical.

Also, in general, forcing players to comply with those campaigns takes the good out of it...it's like the poppy situation in england where God help you if you don't wear the commemorative poppy. Really misses the point.

It had nothing to do with not complying with the marketable campaign though. If he did this last month he'd still be fined. The NFL has rules of what players wear, he broke them so he was rightfully fined. It's also nothing like the poppy situation in England. Lots of NFL player don't wear the pink shoes for example, no one says anything about them.

adrian522

These fines are ridiculous to be fair. Gore got fined for not pulling his socks high enough, Alex Smith for wearing a SF Giants cap to a post match interview. It's utterly stupid.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/frank-gore-fined-10-500-yes-10-500-210744767--nfl.html

jack presley

It's not the amount of as breaks that annoy me as I accept that's the way it is over there but it's the same bloody ads getting shown over and over again over here during a game that annoys me

Arawn

How easily the offence has it kind of annoys me. A defensive players even sneezes on a qb after a ball is thrown and they get flagged.

jack presley

While I accept there's no other way to do it, I always laugh when they're taking a measurement to see whether they got the 10 yards or not.

When the ball is placed after a play there is no way it is placed with an accuracy of the few inches they then claim it is short by when they pull out the chains.

poldebruin

ok, I agree with a lot of the things other posters have said, so I'll try and add a few others.

• Teams changing their uniforms and opting for darker and darker uniforms...and the "lights out" options.
• The TD, break, PAT, break, kickoff, break sequence. Just do away with the PAT already.
• All the discussion about "elite " qbs. Total bumpf.
• The Redskins name....topical!
• There doesn't seem to be as many trick/gadget plays - this might not actually be true, but it seems that way.
• A bugbear from Grantland - the meaningless halftime draw play.....just kneel down if you're not going to be aggressive.
• Penalties on returns....every other return is a block in the back or a hold or some procedural penalty.
• When the Offense picks up 20 yards and there's offsetting penalties and the down is replayed....that's not offsetting, that cost the offense 20 yards! The Defence loses nothing.
• And for that matter - when calculating penalties and yards lost, shouldn't they account for the yards actually nullified on the penalised play?
• Shovel passes.
• QB sliding thing is starting to annoy me too. It seems some qbs are waiting right until the last minute before sliding, trying to "draw" the tackle. RGIII seems to slow down as he gets near the sideline.
• WRs looking for flags with the throwing gesture. For god's sake, they get enough protection as it is.

MoyVilla9

jack presley wrote: »

It's not the amount of as breaks that annoy me as I accept that's the way it is over there but it's the same bloody ads getting shown over and over again over here during a game that annoys me

MLB.tv does that like no other.

Son Of A Vidic

Just to clear up a very commonly held misconception which the public seems to have. Breast cancer is not exclusive to women, men can and do get breast cancer. Albeit at a much lower rate. There are actually 5 different types of breast cancer alone that can affect men, but I won't bore you with he details. Incidence of breast cancer are much lower in men, thanks to the much lower levels of Estrogen we have in our body during puberty. But technically and medically speaking, the promotional month should equally apply to men as much as women. So get checking lads.

Personally, I also have no issue with breast cancer awareness month. But fining those who might want to raise awareness, or champion the promotion of another illness is totally wrong imo. Prostate cancer in men is the leading cause of all cancer deaths in the US. Followed in second place with breast cancer deaths amongst women. I think making October a cancer awareness month in general, would probably be a much better and wiser move by the NFL.

Son Of A Vidic

Idiot fans who boo and jeer when a player gets injured. But it's even worse when they cheer one of their own players getting hurt. Like we saw recently, when some Texan fans cheered when Schaub got hurt. The expression 'Dumb fúcks', would probably sum them up nicely.

mikemac1

MoyVilla9 wrote: »

MLB.tv does that like no other.

Indeed they do

You are guaranteed the same ads every single time

I can quote line by line the Bo Jackson energy pill ads at this stage

Arawn

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Just to clear up a very commonly held misconception which the public seems to have. Breast cancer is not exclusive to women, men can and do get breast cancer. Albeit at a much lower rate. There are actually 5 different types of breast cancer alone that can affect men, but I won't bore you with he details. Incidence of breast cancer are much lower in men, thanks to the much lower levels of Estrogen we have in our body during puberty. But technically and medically speaking, the promotional month should equally apply to men as much as women. So get checking lads.

Personally, I also have no issue with breast cancer awareness month. But fining those who might want to raise awareness, or champion the promotion of another illness is totally wrong imo. Prostate cancer in men is the leading cause of all cancer deaths in the US. Followed in second place with breast cancer deaths amongst women. I think making October a cancer awareness month in general, would probably be a much better and wiser move by the NFL.

Off-topic, but if you have never seen the episodes of archer where he gets breast cancer you need to

Itssoeasy

MoyVilla9 wrote: »

MLB.tv does that like no other.

That stupid Bo Jackson ad bugs me. We didn't he make it more that five hours ?

Son Of A Vidic

Arawn wrote: »

Off-topic, but if you have never seen the episodes of archer where he gets breast cancer you need to

Nope, sorry. I don't even know what that programme is.

spank_inferno

Arawn wrote: »

Off-topic, but if you have never seen the episodes of archer where he gets breast cancer you need to

Yes... Yes.... A million times yes!

Arawn

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Nope, sorry. I don't even know what that programme is.

I need to pm you about this programme

Realt Dearg Sec

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Nope, sorry. I don't even know what that programme is.

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