Things In American Football That Grind Your Gears

rockonollie

Tom Brady......that is all....

Hazys

rockonollie wrote: »

Tom Brady......that is all....

I've never understood why people have an issue with Tom Brady? I presume its just jealousy or am I missing something?

rockonollie

Hazys wrote: »

I've never understood why people have an issue with Tom Brady? I presume its just jealousy or am I missing something?

Not jealousy.......it's just something with his attitude that bugs me. I completely respect his playing ability, just something about his character has always gotten on my nerve.

rockonollie

P_1 wrote: »

Don't NFL teams have about 5 captains though? Bit of a difference between sending Leo Cullen/Stephen Cluxton up to collect the Heineken/Sam and sending Tom Brady and 4 others up to collect the Lombardi

Teams actually have unlimited captains, several teams have 6....the vikings only have 2....the Jets don't have any. There's still a hierarchy though, depicted by the starts and the color of the C on their patch.......but that's all irrelevant for the Superbowl where it's almost always the coach, owner and QB.

Hazys

rockonollie wrote: »

Not jealousy.......it's just something with his attitude that bugs me. I completely respect his playing ability, just something about his character has always gotten on my nerve.

C'mon like what? He doesn't say much compared to the majority of NFL players.

Phoenix Park

rockonollie wrote: »

Not jealousy.......it's just something with his attitude that bugs me. I completely respect his playing ability, just something about his character has always gotten on my nerve.

He comes across as humble as one could be when you are a multi-millionaire good looking Superbowl winning QB married to the world's highest paid supermodel. What must you think of Roethlisberger and countless other names in the sport if you don't like Brady's character?!

rockonollie

Phoenix Park wrote: »

He comes across as humble as one could be when you are a multi-millionaire good looking Superbowl winning QB married to the world's highest paid supermodel. What must you think of Roethlisberger and countless other names in the sport if you don't like Brady's character?!

It's really his willingness to blame his receivers for everything......also, it seems as though he's turning to a ref looking for a roughing the passer call every time he gets touched in the backfield.

spiritcrusher

rockonollie wrote: »

It's really his willingness to blame his receivers for everything......also, it seems as though he's turning to a ref looking for a roughing the passer call every time he gets touched in the backfield.

The second part perhaps although he's not alone in doing that, but I don't think I've ever really heard him blame his receivers in any sort of inappropriate or whiny way..? And it's not as if he'd be wrong this year anyway!

rockonollie

spiritcrusher wrote: »

The second part perhaps although he's not alone in doing that, but I don't think I've ever really heard him blame his receivers in any sort of inappropriate or whiny way..? And it's not as if he'd be wrong this year anyway!

The wrong kind of look can be just as strong as words.....and he's given receivers some pretty clear looks over the years.

I agree, he has reason this season, but this isn't the first season he's been caught on camera giving his receivers a death-stare.

jack presley

rockonollie wrote: »

It's really his willingness to blame his receivers for everything......also, it seems as though he's turning to a ref looking for a roughing the passer call every time he gets touched in the backfield.

He's not the worst at that anyway. Have you seen RGIII?

rockonollie

jack presley wrote: »

He's not the worst at that anyway. Have you seen RGIII?

Oh I know......I guess it's just that I've watched Brady doing it for years......can't get away from the fact that whenever I see a QB doing it (when it isn't justified), I automatically think of Brady.

Hazys

rockonollie wrote: »

It's really his willingness to blame his receivers for everything......also, it seems as though he's turning to a ref looking for a roughing the passer call every time he gets touched in the backfield.

Blaming his WRs only happen really this year, i don't remember too many incidents over the years.

As for roughing the passer call every time, i remember only one incident and that was against the Ravens a few years ago and he was right to complain and deservedly got the flag.

If you don't like Brady for those two things, you must hate Peyton Manning:

On Sunday, berating the refs for a flag on a perfectly legal tackle by the Chargers:



Screaming at his Oline, telling them how to block:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGTW_VVTkE

All pretty standard stuff from a QB on a Sunday.


Why people don't like BB I can understand but I think the only reason people hate TB12 is because of jealousy

HigginsJ

rockonollie wrote: »

Tom Brady......that is all....

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rockonollie

HigginsJ wrote: »

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Don't forget this....

Hazys

Don't forget this....





Hi Haters

rockonollie

rockonollie wrote: »

Don't forget this....

I HATE it when tall people stand in front at parades......:mad:

HigginsJ

Hazys wrote: »

Don't forget this....





Hi Haters

In work at the moment on my phone but check back later for "bradying" pic!!

Son Of A Vidic

rockonollie wrote: »

It's really his willingness to blame his receivers for everything

A very erroneous statement to make. But you're not a Pats fan and your finger is clearly not on the pulse. So it's understandably why those comments are way of the mark.

Fecking sick of Brady making excuses for the WR corp all season. They've the highest drop rate in the league. We've four WR's in the top 10 alone with the most drops. But it's a work in progress and a complete rebuild on offense. The man has shown the patience of a saint having to break in and teach an entirely new receiving corp.

This season Brady has consistently spoken about him needing to be better, needing to execute better and the entire offense needing to play better and do a better job. He has praised the Pats defense every week and said he and the offense needed to start taking their share of the load.

So maybe start watching some pre and post game press conferences and you'll see what I'm talking about.

helimachoptor

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

This season Brady has consistently spoken about him needing to be better, needing to execute better and the entire offense needing to play better and do a better job. He has praised the Pats defense every week and said he and the offense needed to start taking their share of the load.

Brady is a pro, in now way would he come out and slate his WRs unless he threw 100 times in a game and they didnt catch any (and even then he probably wouldnt)

Any QB slating his WRs is not going to benefit, Brady has the right idea.
He's the big personality so let the media focus on him (he's well able for it) and he can say the sound bites like "i need to throw it better" i'm sure thats different to what goes on behind closed doors where probably Brady realises he doesnt have Welker/Hernandez and for a while Gronk and these guys are basically brand new.


Even on the Titans, Kenny britt was butter fingers and not once did Locker say anything bad, what he did say was that he as a QB needs to make it easier for Britt to catch the ball.

Morrisseeee

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Cheap hits. A WR/TE/RB etc gets the ball (from a pass), has barely time to adjust & see where he's at and........BAM, he's hit/pulverised from behind or the side.

Helmet to lower body (especially knee) hits, another un-manly side of the game.

Two very good examples recently of cheap hits, Gronk and this one, ie. the block that broke Kevin Hubers jaw !
The Steelers guy should get jail time for a hit like that.

bruschi

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Two very good examples recently of cheap hits, Gronk and this one, ie. the block that broke Kevin Hubers jaw !
The Steelers guy should get jail time for a hit like that.

just been reading a few steelers fans forums where they are up in arms that he might get a fine over it, saying the punter was in traffic and he was hit on the numbers, that the broken jaw was an unfortunate consequence of a great block. the fact that he could have pushed the punter over to make the block instead of leading with his head into the opponents head seems lost on them. maybe its just I didnt grow up wearing a helmet launching into defensless players, but I really cant see how this can be defended.

I disagree about the gronk one being a cheap hit though, and have said as much in the Pats thread about it. both incidents are very, very different.

Benimar

Sometimes I do think the game has gone too 'soft'. For example, the flag and fine for the hit on Brees earlier in the season was an absolute joke in my opinion.

Having said that, how anyone can defend that hit on the punter is beyond me. The guy should be looking at a serious suspension for that, it was totally uncalled for and could you imagine the uproar if a QB was hit like that??

Paully D

Backup QB's being bigged up as the next best thing based on a game or two. Kirk Cousins is this weeks version.

Yes, he played well. But people are ignoring the fact that he was a) playing against a rubbish defense and b) turned the ball over three times which would have resulted in an even heavier loss if they were playing against a team who hadn't packed it in weeks ago.

See; Keenum, McGloin, Pryor, Flynn etc.

Arawn

Paully D wrote: »

Backup QB's being bigged up as the next best thing based on a game or two. Kirk Cousins is this weeks version.

Yes, he played well. But people are ignoring the fact that he was a) playing against a rubbish defense and b) turned the ball over three times which would have resulted in an even heavier loss if they were playing against a team who hadn't packed it in weeks ago.

See; Keenum, McGloin, Pryor, Flynn etc.

I have never seen anyone say Flynn is a good quarterback, what you will hear is he is a good quarterback for Greenbays system, which he is

Arawn

Arawn wrote: »

I have never seen anyone say Flynn is a good quarterback, what you will hear is he is a good quarterback for Greenbays system, which he is

at the time he was back up when he had that one amazing game he was the bees knees

rockonollie

bruschi wrote: »

just been reading a few steelers fans forums where they are up in arms that he might get a fine over it, saying the punter was in traffic and he was hit on the numbers, that the broken jaw was an unfortunate consequence of a great block. the fact that he could have pushed the punter over to make the block instead of leading with his head into the opponents head seems lost on them. maybe its just I didnt grow up wearing a helmet launching into defensless players, but I really cant see how this can be defended.

I disagree about the gronk one being a cheap hit though, and have said as much in the Pats thread about it. both incidents are very, very different.

Problem is that many fans want the rules to be how they feel the game should be played. The rules they completely ignore are pretty clear.

First off, the punter is considered defenseless throughout the return (so being in traffic is irrelevant.)

Secondly, the rule clearly says that the rules on a hit to the head/neck of a defenseless player applies even if the initial contact was below that area.

I've just quoted the full rule in the Week 15 thread....so I won't occupy space posting it again.

Also.....it was reported lastnight that it's a broken jaw plus 2 cracked vertebrae

Evan DietrichSmith

Why don t the referees put their number on the front of their uniforms like they used to.

What grunt decided it would be a good idea to have the number on the upper sleeve and the back, when in the TV reporting of 'flags' the viewer can't see the number.

Give me the logic for that change pleeeee-as.

Thaaaaaa ks

Syferus

Paully D wrote: »

Backup QB's being bigged up as the next best thing based on a game or two. Kirk Cousins is this weeks version.

Yes, he played well. But people are ignoring the fact that he was a) playing against a rubbish defense and b) turned the ball over three times which would have resulted in an even heavier loss if they were playing against a team who hadn't packed it in weeks ago.

See; Keenum, McGloin, Pryor, Flynn etc.

Cousins has always looked a level above all those players. He was a steal in the 4th round and if he ends up going to a stable franchise he could mature into being a fine starting quarterback.

Son Of A Vidic

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Two very good examples recently of cheap hits, Gronk and this one, ie. the block that broke Kevin Hubers jaw !
The Steelers guy should get jail time for a hit like that.

I agree both are. Tolerating a player launching blind and low with a helmet hit and wiping out a guy's knee is beyond a joke. The same goes for that chicken shít hit on the punter. Imagine if the helmet had of taken out a QB's knee or broke his jaw? Christ the league would be up in arms, new rules would be rushed in with new protections for Golden boy QB's.

bobwilliams

Tristram wrote: »

The amount of low quality media that is passed off as informative or analysis.

apart from Pam Oliver, you would need a (crack)mining crew to get me out:D

helimachoptor

For the punter hit, the tackler has all the time in the world to wrap him up I mean it's a LB against a punter, it's the easiest tackle he'll get to make all game and he absolutely clobbers him. Disgraceful IMO

rockonollie

helimachoptor wrote: »

For the punter hit, the tackler has all the time in the world to wrap him up I mean it's a LB against a punter, it's the easiest tackle he'll get to make all game and he absolutely clobbers him. Disgraceful IMO

Oddly enough.....if he had done that, a penalty probably would have been called (or maybe not, the refs missed 1 hold and 1 block in the back on that play, on top of the hit to the punter)

Evan DietrichSmith

bobwilliams wrote: »

apart from Pam Oliver, you would need a (crack)mining crew to get me out:D

(mouth) mining

rockonollie

If you want to know what grinds my gears.....it's the officiating, not the hit.

There were 2 marginal, and 1 definite penalties on that play........the hit on the punter happened while the 2 refs near the Bengals 20 yard line were looking at the ball carrier and the punter would have been in the line of sight of one of these refs (they are positioned one on each side of the hash marks).....there was also a block in the back (in the middle of everything so I can forgive the refs for missing it) and a hold on the gunner (which the sideline refs are specifically supposed to watch after the ball is kicked)

My big question is......are the officials blind.....or do they not know the rules?

Apologies for the quality of photos, I'm at work so its pics from a video taken by my phone

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And the one everyone except the refs saw[IMG][/img]

Son Of A Vidic

The problem with NFL officiating crews is, most are semi retired businessmen the wrong side of 60. Time to get some crews with a younger age profile into the NFL, or at least officials that have functioning eye sight.

Son Of A Vidic

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Time to get some crews with a younger age profile into the NFL, or at least officials that have functioning eye sight.

Found this in a stateside Football forum which sums up my point yesterday.....

jack presley

Something that I think is pointless teams play bells over the PA when the visiting team has third down. It's probably been happening for years but it's only recently that I've paid any attention to it. It's both college and pro teams that do it. Fair enough for the first team that did it but I know it's a copycat sport but get your own ideas to get the crowd going or whatever the purpose of it is.

D3PO

jack presley wrote: »

Something that I think is pointless teams play bells over the PA when the visiting team has third down. It's probably been happening for years but it's only recently that I've paid any attention to it. It's both college and pro teams that do it. Fair enough for the first team that did it but I know it's a copycat sport but get your own ideas to get the crowd going or whatever the purpose of it is.

making noise on 3rd or any down is to make it hard for the opposing QB to make audible and to try and impact on the cadence and as a result cause false starts etc.

that's what the purpose is and that's why its done.

P.S Pretty sure its illegal for them to pipe noise in so any bells your hearing are not from a PA.

jack presley

D3PO wrote: »

making noise on 3rd or any down is to make it hard for the opposing QB to make audible and to try and impact on the cadence and as a result cause false starts etc.

that's what the purpose is and that's why its done.

P.S Pretty sure its illegal for them to pipe noise in so any bells your hearing are not from a PA.

I'm aware of that. This bell thing starts the instant the second down ends and stops well before the QB gets to the line of scrimmage. So it's hardly impacting the calls.

So i presume it is to get the crowd to make noise but I just think it's a lazy effort to do so.

D3PO

ive never heard this except the cow bells at Miss State games and a few others but not very many at all. Must listen out for it

jack presley

D3PO wrote: »

ive never heard this except the cow bells at Miss State games and a few others but not very many at all. Must listen out for it

Colts were doing it last night anyway and they weren't the first I've heard this season.

bruschi

jack presley wrote: »

Colts were doing it last night anyway and they weren't the first I've heard this season.

is it the bell sound from the start of Hells Bells by ACDC?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q

The Patriots often use the first piece of Welcome to the Jungle for third down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tj2zJ2Wvg

Gary Glitters rock and roll part 2 was also a very commonly used piece for getting the crowd going or after touchdowns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YprGECobIXQ

different teams use different music or noises to try get the crowd going. Its all just part of the atmosphere.

D3PO

ah that might explain it Bruschi. Yeah loads of teams play music to get the crowd going, although why so many choose to play Darude Sandstorm before a kickoff is beyond me

i think the music on 3rd downs is to get the crowds attention so they will roar there heads off that is what can put off the qb there has been serious issues with false starts even in the nfl due to this

now i know people should know this anyway but you do get more casual people at a game and they learn pretty quickly when you hear the bell or chime or whatever it is you go mental shouting.

Gregk961

Don't the bucaneers play a booming cannon sound before big plays and after 1st downs. They definatly did last year anyway, there was a video of Cam Newton nearly sh1tting himself

digzy

know its off topic a bit but............
cecil on sky sports on thanksgiving day thinking its hilarious decimating the turkey .....:mad:
thank fcuk its only once a year

BaronVon

digzy wrote: »

know its off topic a bit but............
cecil on sky sports on thanksgiving day thinking its hilarious decimating the turkey .....:mad:
thank fcuk its only once a year

Cecil in general, horrendous analysis. I used to not mind him, but having seen Shaun Gayle and Jeff in action, it's very hard to listen to Cecil in general!

glued

Neil Reynolds doesn't really offer a whole lot either. He's the media face if NFL UK so he's not going to be pushed aside but his analysis is poor but I guess he's reaching out to the casual fan.

Realt Dearg Sec

glued wrote: »

Neil Reynolds doesn't really offer a whole lot either. He's the media face if NFL UK so he's not going to be pushed aside but his analysis is poor but I guess he's reaching out to the casual fan.

He really is captain obvious. When Jeff is on you can really tell how little he values Neil's opinion. I guess he does explain things in ways comprehensible to a casual viewer but he's never really said anything that you could reasonably describe as an insight either.

D3PO

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

He really is captain obvious. When Jeff is on you can really tell how little he values Neil's opinion. I guess he does explain things in ways comprehensible to a casual viewer but he's never really said anything that you could reasonably describe as an insight either.

in fairness to him I think hes playing a role there and hes not meant to be the analyst. I mean little things like him asking Jeff last night what the box is during analysis.

We all know he knows exactly what the box is but hes asking it so the casual fan who may not be able to follow the analysis can understand what is being said.