Direct Democracy Ireland: the split?

blackwhite

MouseTail wrote: »

Does he know the ST is owned by Murdoch?

I'd imagine he'll put two and two together around the same time as he gets the solicitors's letter about the above copyright infringement

ArmaniJeanss

Byron and the Hubbies have also pink socked themselves by sharing out Jeffreys Western People picture.

Its like none of these people have a braincell.

https://www.facebook.com/irishselfhelpzone/photos/a.338509692972485.1073741857.186111024879020/443032052520248/?type=1&theater

HamsterFace

Lol, rofl and lmao!

Jeff has just launched United People International, an umbrella organisation that will hopefully disseminate his ramblings.

Note that I said his ramblings as he has not yet extended a voice to any other members of his organisation...

PopePalpatine

United People International? Oh sweet Flying Spaghetti Monster, where's he getting his foreign support from?

SpaceSasqwatch

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Oh sweet Flying Spaghetti Monster, where's he getting his foreign support from?

Belfast? :pac:

For Forks Sake

PopePalpatine wrote: »

United People International? Oh sweet Flying Spaghetti Monster, where's he getting his foreign support from?

He probably met an American once.

whippet

For Forks Sake wrote: »

He probably met an American once.

it's a follow on from the photo he keeps rolling out of him standing beside the Swiss Ambassador ... a photo he give no context to. Actually Jeff was probably hot on the trail of the HSBC / Swiss scandal and was trying to infiltrate the swiss government.

ArmaniJeanss

For Forks Sake wrote: »

He probably met an American once.

JeffreyAndSwissAmbassador.jpg iirc.

PopePalpatine wrote: »

United People International? Oh sweet Flying Spaghetti Monster, where's he getting his foreign support from?

Doubtless when Podemos get 25% in the next Spanish election Jeff & DDI etc will all be claiming them to be their sister party.
It is genuinely interesting btw to look at the growth of Podemos, created 12 months after DDI with a huge similarity of policies and structures yet likely to be part of the next Spanish government whilst DDI flounders.
One key difference is social policy mind you, whilst Ben and Ray are old school conservatives who are against everything liberal, Podemos is very much moving away from old Spanish Catholicism with its pro-woman, pro-divorce, pro-abortion stance.
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On a more humourous note, the IDP (the bit of DDI which split away down in Cork and led to this thread) have also gone with the pink socking photograph. * bangs head off wall in despair*

Rabbo

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

JeffreyAndSwissAmbassador.jpg iirc.



Doubtless when Podemos get 25% in the next Spanish election Jeff & DDI etc will all be claiming them to be their sister party.
It is genuinely interesting btw to look at the growth of Podemos, created 12 months after DDI with a huge similarity of policies and structures yet likely to be part of the next Spanish government whilst DDI flounders.
One key difference is social policy mind you, whilst Ben and Ray are old school conservatives who are against everything liberal, Podemos is very much moving away from old Spanish Catholicism with its pro-woman, pro-divorce, pro-abortion stance.
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On a more humourous note, the IDP (the bit of DDI which split away down in Cork and led to this thread) have also gone with the pink socking photograph. * bangs head off wall in despair*

It's quite clear why DDI weren't exactly a success here when you look at the lunatics that were involved

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

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On a more humourous note, the IDP (the bit of DDI which split away down in Cork and led to this thread) have also gone with the pink socking photograph. * bangs head off wall in despair*

Pink socking is fast becoming a national issue for people 'in the know.'

Calina

colour me confused but what on earth does "pink socking" mean?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Calina wrote: »

colour me confused but what on earth does "pink socking" mean?

"A descriptive slang term referring to the appearance of prolapsed anorectal tissue that protrudes out of the anus after anal intercourse."

According to the internet.

PopePalpatine

Calina wrote: »

colour me confused but what on earth does "pink socking" mean?

I wish I hadn't googled it either.

MouseTail

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I wish I hadn't googled it either.

Another one who had to google it here. Sweet Divine, why did Jeff not google it too?

humberklog

The Cult of Jeff...


NOTICE: To all UNITEDPEOPLE members, shortly I shall be issuing an very positive important statement in the members Facebook section. If you could take the time later to check there it would be most appreciated. Exciting times ahead I think for us. UPDATE: Now posted.
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Jeff. smile emoticon




The only sensible thing about this dude is his shoes.

Pelvis Parsley

And his twenty year old anorak.

He has all the appearance of a guy who'd peel an orange in his pocket.

ArmaniJeanss

Lord Byron of Jenksville seems to hit the whiskey in a big way this time every Saturday.

Has decided to go down the BillyMcGuire route of the entire constitution being illegal because its superceded by a pre-existing one (Robbo can explain it better). The upshot is that every decision the district and circuit courts make are illegal (except presumably those cases he wins) as they don't exist and he will shortly prove it.
In his own verbatim words “I want my case to be heard under the 1919 Constitution of Eira, the one and only true Constitution”.


https://www.facebook.com/#!/irishselfhelpzone/photos/a.186681038155352.1073741828.186111024879020/444681349021985/?type=1&theater

Aka Ishur

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Lord Byron of Jenksville seems to hit the whiskey in a big way this time every Saturday.
......he wins) as they don't exist and he will shortly prove it.
In his own verbatim words “I want my case to be heard under the 1919 Constitution of Eira, the one and only true Constitution”.


https://www.facebook.com/#!/irishselfhelpzone/photos/a.186681038155352.1073741828.186111024879020/444681349021985/?type=1&theater

'De facto' definitely means something different to them...

RomanKnows

The United People op-ed on the opinion poll figures released yesterday evening is notable by its absence. I wonder what Mr. Rudd makes of the upsurge in support for the parties of Government? It must not suit the narrative!

Rabbo

RomanKnows wrote: »

The United People op-ed on the opinion poll figures released yesterday evening is notable by its absence. I wonder what Mr. Rudd makes of the upsurge in support for the parties of Government? It must not suit the narrative!

Must be the Denis O'Brien run media distorting the figures

RomanKnows

Rabbo wrote: »

Must be the Denis O'Brien run media distorting the figures

It didn't make it into that bastion of high-quality journalism, the journal.ie either. It mustn't be as important as "No one on Tinder into UFOs or ghosts? Try this supernatural dating website instead".

Robbo

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Lord Byron of Jenksville seems to hit the whiskey in a big way this time every Saturday.

Has decided to go down the BillyMcGuire route of the entire constitution being illegal because its superceded by a pre-existing one (Robbo can explain it better). The upshot is that every decision the district and circuit courts make are illegal (except presumably those cases he wins) as they don't exist and he will shortly prove it.
In his own verbatim words “I want my case to be heard under the 1919 Constitution of Eira, the one and only true Constitution”.


https://www.facebook.com/#!/irishselfhelpzone/photos/a.186681038155352.1073741828.186111024879020/444681349021985/?type=1&theater

The TL;DR account of Billy McGuire is that he reckons he's the real president because one of his relatives owned a hotel where some 1916 leaders were known to take a pint. The *real* state was lost by way of three card trick performed by the dastardly Brits some time after 1919 and only Billy knows the truth. Cheques to the usual address, Paypal details to follow.

Pelvis Parsley

He must have strong armed some unfortunate ambassador into another meeting.

ArmaniJeanss

Disappointing really that none of us have clicked the few buttons needed to become a member and hence be in this inner circle thingimmyjug with access to the constitution etc. Lazy fcuks the lot of us.

HamsterFace

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Disappointing really that none of us have clicked the few buttons needed to become a member and hence be in this inner circle thingimmyjug with access to the constitution etc. Lazy fcuks the lot of us.

I have the constitution :-)

I genuinely looked forward to scanning through it but after the first page I had to give up

humberklog

HamsterFace wrote: »

I have the constitution :-)

I genuinely looked forward to scanning through it but after the first page I had to give up

Any chance you could link it or even post in full? Just for research purposes:pac:.

He's a terrible man, after popping up a load of regional and even an international UP FB page, there is zero activity on them. But there was one simple enough question put on the Dublin branch one saying that while the message of UP so far is all about giving out money or restricting bringing it in- there was no proposals for generating revenue and what is UP's proposal for generating revenue.
The questions were deleted.

It turns out that Jeff has been living in the cold for the last 3 years. His gas boiler packed up in his council house and he's been waiting 3 years for the council to fix it properly.
Trips up and down the country, large banners made, megaphone bought. It's good to prioritise for sure.

Let your kids go cold for 3 years but spend a lot of time and money blaming someone else for your own human failings.


Shame on you Jeff Rudd.

RomanKnows

humberklog wrote: »

Any chance you could link it or even post in full? Just for research purposes:pac:.

He's a terrible man, after popping up a load of regional and even an international UP FB page, there is zero activity on them. But there was one simple enough question put on the Dublin branch one saying that while the message of UP so far is all about giving out money or restricting bringing it in- there was no proposals for generating revenue and what is UP's proposal for generating revenue.
The questions were deleted.

It turns out that Jeff has been living in the cold for the last 3 years. His gas boiler packed up in his council house and he's been waiting 3 years for the council to fix it properly.
Trips up and down the country, large banners made, megaphone bought. It's good to prioritise for sure.

Let your kids go cold for 3 years but spend a lot of time and money blaming someone else for your own human failings.


Shame on you Jeff Rudd.

Sure someone else should pay for that. The council or the Government. Jeff boasted on this site before his sudden departure that he had bought a copy of Photoshop. Can't imagine you'd be getting a copy of that for less than 300 or 400. Glad to see he has his priorities right.

Pelvis Parsley

RomanKnows wrote: »

Sure someone else should pay for that. The council or the Government. Jeff boasted on this site before his sudden departure that he had bought a copy of Photoshop. Can't imagine you'd be getting a copy of that for less than 300 or 400. Glad to see he has his priorities right.

Yep, and also gave a grand spiel about the people he employed, and all the work he had to do to said house, how he got the mortgage cheap etc.

Contemptible carry on. He doesn't seem to mind spending big on himself, or pretending to the world that he does. The kids can cluster around a heater until the electricity goes off.

HamsterFace

Will try to post it tomorrow when I get to a laptop.

Rudd is nothing but a sponge. Entitled to everything but gives nothing back. His type contribute nothing. He's a parasite and a stupid one at that.

I'm getting a bit tired of him, would love to let his ignorant followers aware of how much he deprives his family so he can indulge his vanity projects.

And how he looks down his nose at them as he would never lower himself to working for a living. They certainly aren't entitled to a Voice in his presence. Or the ability to ask questions.

In short, he's a bit of a c*nt

4zn76tysfajdxp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ3SrsuDZj4

Inspiring.

Brian Shanahan

Jagger Hundreds Tailspin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ3SrsuDZj4

Inspiring.

Couple of questions, does anyone recognise the music, we should really advise the musicians that somebody may be violating their copyright. Also did Jeff get permission to use people's faces (from each identifiable individual in the video, none of them are stock footage)? Also his grammar is atrocious, really bad.

One final thing he's right on TTIP (it is really some piece of work), but then again that makes him right exactly half as often as a stopped clock.

@Jagger Hundreds Tailspin, not that I'm expecting you to answer the questions (just in case I came across as being inquisitve).

Rubber_Soul

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Couple of questions, does anyone recognise the music, we should really advise the musicians that somebody may be violating their copyright.

It's a royalty free track called "Future Gladiator" by Kevin MacLeod according to Shazam.

Robbo

Jagger Hundreds Tailspin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ3SrsuDZj4

Inspiring.

Gabbo is coming!

Rabbo

He calls for the following changes, amongst others:

• Removal of water charges
• Removal of household charges
• Voiding of USC
• Provide same social benefits to self-employed that the employed enjoy
• Reduction of doctor working hours
• Improvements to public pension benefits

He is proposing a real Utopian paradise that we could all get on board with but unfortunately doesn't outline how he would pay for any of it. The removal of the USC alone would cost the state €4.5bn/ year. I may have missed it but he never seems to mention any proposals for significant increases in taxes or reductions in spending to balance the books.

whippet

Rabbo wrote: »

He calls for the following changes, amongst others:

• Removal of water charges
• Removal of household charges
• Voiding of USC
• Provide same social benefits to self-employed that the employed enjoy
• Reduction of doctor working hours
• Improvements to public pension benefits

He is proposing a real Utopian paradise that we could all get on board with but unfortunately doesn't outline how he would pay for any of it. The removal of the USC alone would cost the state €4.5bn/ year. I may have missed it but he never seems to mention any proposals for significant increases in taxes or reductions in spending to balance the books.

but hasn't he said before if he was elected he would go in to each government department and open up all the books and eliminate every cent in waste and that would cover all his tax cuts .. why hasn't anyone thought of that before.

Rabbo

Lets say his proposals cost (a conservative) €8bn/year. Revenue expenditure at the moment is something like €40bn/year.
Surely he is not suggesting that 20% of that is waste?

whippet

Rabbo wrote: »

Lets say his proposals cost (a conservative) €8bn/year. Revenue expenditure at the moment is something like €40bn/year.
Surely he is not suggesting that 20% of that is waste?

he is just telling everyone who would listen what they want to hear .. you have to remember that his target audience is generally a specific demograph who have little or no understanding of economics and how public finances work. So if you keep telling them that you can simply cut taxes and give everything for free they will believe it ... just listen to the Sinn Fein supporters who truly believe their economic policies could work.

ArmaniJeanss

Theres generally a 'durka durka stop making repayments related to the bailout durka burn the bondholders durka durka reclaim the (conservative estimate) €5Trillion in oil we've given away durka' element somewhere in all these guys financial plans.
/Durka.

whippet

that €5tn of oil that is sitting in barrels in the dock ... the same people banging on about taking it back for the state are the same ones who bang on about the dangers of how to get it out of the ground.

The same people who go on about having Scandinavian levels healthcare, public services etc .. but won't pay any tax towards it. I have a family member living in sweden .. while the services are great, the tax man's cut of your income is quite large too !! .. the mentality of the population is that they don't mind paying taxes to fund it - but there is a simmering underbelly of distrust, everyone's tax records are publicly available (that is everyone) and you people are constantly calling and checking neighbour's revenue records just incase they are living above their apparent needs. I wonder how the 'PPS' brigade would like that?

Robbo

DDI candidate and general stalwart Ray Hall has recently been trying to settle his mortgage...by printing his own promissory note. According to the finest legal minds that Facebook can offer, it's all above board and the bank *have* to accept you writing them an IOU saying that at some stage in the next 31 years, you'll pay back the mortgage

whippet

Robbo wrote: »

DDI candidate and general stalwart Ray Hall has recently been trying to settle his mortgage...by printing his own promissory note. According to the finest legal minds that Facebook can offer, it's all above board and the bank *have* to accept you writing them an IOU saying that at some stage in the next 31 years, you'll pay back the mortgage

seems legit .. they base this mad theory on some case whereby a judge ruled that a debtor only had to pay back a token amount to a bank each month on a large debt .. but this was all based on the ability to pay, the 'you can't get blood from a stone' situation and of course the Freemen jumped on to this as an opportunity to 'offer' the bank a payment plan and IOU which they can't refuse.

This lad Ray Hall is up there with the Ruddmiester for some entertaining stuff; he has his fairsociety.ie mad page which comes up with some whoppers

here is one of the recent articles on Fairsociety in the 'News' section

http://www.fairsociety.ie/we-were-never-told-that-government-described-as-the-republic-of-ireland-was-a-corporation-a-fictitious-person/

And of course DDI and their buddies would alway distance themselves from any accusations of Freeman thinking !!

Brian Shanahan

Rabbo wrote: »

Lets say his proposals cost (a conservative) €8bn/year. Revenue expenditure at the moment is something like €40bn/year.
Surely he is not suggesting that 20% of that is waste?

Not even, at about €38bn atm. I started there last week (plus the info is on revenue.ie in the about us section).

jd

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Theres generally a 'durka durka stop making repayments related to the bailout durka burn the bondholders durka durka reclaim the (conservative estimate) €5Trillion in oil we've given away durka' element somewhere in all these guys financial plans.
/Durka.

You left out the 200 billion euro worth of fish

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.facebook.com/#!/paul.ohanlon.9828?fref=ts
The above ruddy faced gentlemen has launched the Land League Wexford (as opposed to the Wexford Land League which is under the umbrella of the The National Land League (or possibly Beades New Land League, frankly I'm fcuking lost at this stage)).

He has caused a lot of consternation in HubLand today by stating that his organisation can't recommend people get involved with either Hub Wexford or Hub Ireland and people should be weary (sic*) of the way these organisations ask for money.

He is obviously getting accused of being a troll etc though a cursory glance through his history/friends/groups would suggest he is genuine.

* Edit: Thinking about it 'weary' is probably as apt as the 'wary' which I presume he intended.

Edit2. Good to see DAMIAN UPPERCASE in full on detective mode on this page.

RomanKnows

We have a tendency here to make light of some of these groups. The reality is that some of them are taking money from families who are in terrible financial trouble. Who need to work with their bank and MABS to see what the genuine outcomes are. Not to pay €300 to some chancer who is telling them that quoting maritime law will see them absolved of all their debts and responsibilities. They are a shower of charlatan fúcks.

Rudd is a harmless sort of creature when compared to the likes of the HUB. He takes things that he believes will outrage people, sticks his logo on it, then posts it up on his page. It feeds his ego. I will admit that it fúcking annoys me that I'm paying the guts of 40k a year to support a State that allows men like Rudd to spend their days talking shíte on the internet, printing banners, and travelling to Dublin to walk around O'Connell Street giving out about a bill that will cost less per quarter than what the average UPC/Eircom bill costs per month.

Mark me up as a right-wing bastard as a result.

ArmaniJeanss

Ireland, far from being a free, relatively prosperous, and democratic state is actually akin to communist Poland of the early/mid 1980s, and Jeffrey is our Lech Walesa.
https://www.facebook.com/Jeffrudd31/posts/981090268568340

HamsterFace

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Ireland, far from being a free, relatively prosperous, and democratic state is actually akin to communist Poland of the early/mid 1980s, and Jeffrey is our Lech Walesa.
https://www.facebook.com/Jeffrudd31/posts/981090268568340

Except Lech was a worker and happy to work.

Jeff is outraged that his standard of living is lower than others, especially given all the "work" he does as a political activist.

whippet

HamsterFace wrote: »

Except Lech was a worker and happy to work.

Jeff is outraged that his standard of living is lower than others, especially given all the "work" he does as a political activist.

unfortunately I'm blocked from looking at that .. any chance of a screen grab?

ArmaniJeanss

whippet wrote: »

unfortunately I'm blocked from looking at that .. any chance of a screen grab?

Meh, its just standard rambling nonsense really, using 1000 words when normal people could use 50.
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In the late 1970's - early 1980's one man called Lech Walesa, a simple shipyard worker, spearheaded a revolution that toppled a communist dictatorship. He did it by going back to peaceful basic of protest. He did it by not submitting to the will of those that threatened on one hand and tried to bribe with the other - all the while ruthlessly spying on everyone and gathered unmercifully, all the information it could get on its citizens.
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Does any of this sound familiar under today's government of Ireland?
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His quiet resistance grew out of his witnessing the working conditions he found foisted upon his fellow workers in Gdansk, long hours, crap safety conditions, poor pay and a government allowing the upping prices of basic goods while also taking everything else on revenue they could.
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Does any of this sound familiar under today's government of Ireland?
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He became the face of resistance. He didn't actually want it to be this way - he just wanted to make things better for those around him against a system which was deeply screwing its own people and those in its government were saying one thing - while doing another.
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Does any of this sound familiar under today's government of Ireland?
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He started out then through workers protest movement, to do something very simple that anyone can do. He with his friends published an underground newsletter that exposed in detail where the injustices was happening, to who and being carried out by those that should have been held accountable - but as they were government (or backed by government) were not. Sound familiar?
His part resistance was to keep the people informed of greater truths. A simple task - yet it proved to to be so effective in end result.
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He was arrested many times by a government that used/abused the laws to try and silence him. They tried to taint him as an enemy of the people - for working peacefully against the government - even if it was for a the betterment of all. He was usually arrested and detained for 48 hours at a time. His wife and children repeatedly left to go without for those times. When he did fear arrest, if he had time beforehand, he gave his wife his wedding ring and watch, telling her to sell them for food (which was scarce and/or high priced enough in Poland at the time) should he not ever return.
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Meanwhile he used that imprisonment time to do his thinking. Where the government thought it was doing itself a favour by locking him up - it only gave itself a bigger rope around its neck, as he further was able to contemplate better strategies and work out their multi-complex applications and implications. He found his silence cell a great place to expand his mind to the detriment of a bad government. To cut to the chase - his greatest weapon was his mind. A cell or government couldn't contain it.
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Courage is nothing without sound judgement - and its a combination of this which led the man, backed with an agreeing public, to finally be able to make a difference. He stood up, he informed the people and slowly bit by bit moved his fellow country peoples rights not just forward - but also through resistance, forced a government to introduce more protectionisms.
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Like Lech Walesa, the people of Ireland now must have courage along with with sound judgement. The must have the courage to resist what's wrong, peaceful oppose those that's doing it - and with sound knowledge that they cannot be even held to account for their resistance until after 2016, where they face a fine of €60 for standing up against a latest wrong, their efforts should not wane in the face of incoming government one sided propaganda. Their PR spinning will be passed along by their moth piece and by their friend Denis O'Brien and his nationwide media.
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Like Lech Walesa, you must now continue at every opportunity, workplace and socially, to keep informing those around you of what the government and its media is refusing to share in full truth exposure.
You must continue to share ALL information so the population Ireland is better informed. Through better information sharing, the knowledge that resistance continues across the country - despite a government trying not to let the people know of this if they can - such information leads to a better knowledgeable people and through such knowledge is the very power the people are looking more for.
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As Lech Walesa found out and showed to the world previously, by brains, by peaceful resistance and by sheer willpower to say "No More" in "Solidarity" with his people, even the toughest ever of powers came crumbling down eventually through such tactics.
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Now its Ireland turn - and YOU can make a real difference. Resist - but don't stop there. Educate, share information, gather information and pass it along. If you want power back - make it peaceful happen through a united people thats better knowing of what really going on.
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Stop listening to sycophants of a sick, lying, financial back-stabbing government. Hear instead the real truth and listen to those that FG and Labour are trying to run into the ground. Ask yourself WHY they are trying to do this! Follow Lech Walesa's example - stand informed - keep others informed - and stay united in resistance. You want to see the real effect of such things when they happen? Just look towards a far freer Poland today and see what a difference a country's very citizens can make.
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Now its your turn. What are you going to do? Capitulate and roll over - give in - or are you going to resist and stand for real change? I chose to stand.
I hope you do too. You won't be alone if so...
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Jeffrey Rudd
www.unitedpeople.ie

Robbo

Will Jeff be growing a Walesa style moustache then? Might make him an easier sell to the hipsters as well.