Womens' rugby Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

The Lost Sheep

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

A waste of money.

They should stay amateur and if enough women start paying attention either in the stands or on tv then they can look for their share of the cash.

Waste of money how?
They arent getting an appropriate share of the money as it is.

TheAnalyst_

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They aren’t getting anywhere near their share of the cash as it is. So frankly, you’re totally wrong.

Their share? How much money do they bring in?

irishbucsfan

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Their share? How much money do they bring in?

You’re the one who is saying they aren’t worth it. How much do they bring in? Tell us why we should relegate them to amateur status.

They can split back from the IRFU so and we can take the IOC funding and leave the twats behind while explaining to the government why a supposed NGB doesn’t think they are responsible for the development of the women’s game.

TheAnalyst_

The IOC aren't going to give a full time wage to someone who's taken up a sport a year ago.

The Lost Sheep

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They have to balance the books while developing rugby in Ireland.

Just as the NZRU have to balance the books while developing rugby in Ireland, without the same cash being generated by the 6 Nations or Champions Cup that funds Irish rugby (and allows our provinces to outbid theirs for players).

The NZRU obviously don't feel that women's rugby needs to be sacrificed to balance the books, but maybe the kiwis are just terrible at developing rugby!

Yeah,

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

A waste of money.

They should stay amateur and if enough women start paying attention either in the stands or on tv then they can look for their share of the cash.

Thats nonsense. Game goes more professional, then development of game can be easier and its better for all.

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Their share? How much money do they bring in?

Does it totally matter?

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The IOC aren't going to give a full time wage to someone who's taken up a sport a year ago.

IOC give people grants based on ability not when they took up a sport

irishbucsfan

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The IOC aren't going to give a full time wage to someone who's taken up a sport a year ago.

That has nothing to do with this. Even girls who play for Ireland in their first year of playing rugby have a huge, generally very successful, history of playing other disciplines or they wouldn’t be in the picture.

TheAnalyst_

irishbucsfan wrote: »

That has nothing to do with this. Even girls who play for Ireland in their first year of playing rugby have a huge, generally very successful, history of playing other disciplines or they wouldn’t be in the picture.

They're not elite athletes deserving of money. If you can walk into a national team after a year then you know there is no player base.

The Lost Sheep

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

They're not elite athletes deserving of money. If you can walk into a national team after a year then you know there is no player base.

If you can make national team soon from playing the sport doesnt mean you dont deserve funding.

irishbucsfan

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

They're not elite athletes deserving of money. If you can walk into a national team after a year then you know there is no player base.

You may know. But the people who actually know what they’re talking about don’t agree.

And if there is no player base, then there’s more evidence than ever that investment is needed.

The Lost Sheep

Ladies AIL cup finals were today
http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/41690.php#.WrboZojFLIU

The Lost Sheep

AIL final is in Portlaoise on Saturday,
Bohs v Belvedere

irishbucsfan

Ah, shame its in Portlaoise, loads of people will be in Dublin for the Leinster match. Missed opportunity there.

LeinsterDub

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

They're not elite athletes deserving of money. If you can walk into a national team after a year then you know there is no player base.

Hmm

The Lost Sheep

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Ah, shame its in Portlaoise, loads of people will be in Dublin for the Leinster match. Missed opportunity there.

Neutral. Bohs not wanting to play in Dublin??
Possibly would have helped with crowd though.
Tralee and St Marys playing in playoff for promotion to AIL in Portlaoise at same time

The Lost Sheep

Talk that RFU are restoring contracts for Englands 15s players
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2018/04/30/rfu-restore-contracts-england-women-build-up-2021-world-cup/

The Lost Sheep

Changes for the Women's Rugby World Cup from 2021.
Tournament will take place over 35 days not 23 days which means four days between pool games, five or six days between knock-out rounds and the Squad size will increase from 28 to 30 players.

Iompair

That sounds sensible, it was great to see so many games in 3 weeks at the last one, but it must be tough on the players.

The Lost Sheep

Iompair wrote: »

That sounds sensible, it was great to see so many games in 3 weeks at the last one, but it must be tough on the players.

Its a very good sign and brings tournament more in line with the mens competition.

The Lost Sheep

Ireland to play the United States in November in Donnybrook

errlloyd

Really disappointing news today that the IRFU turned down an offer for the women to go on a three test tour of Australia with the ozzies paying the accommodation bills and each game being a curtain opener to the men.

I know it would have cost a lot, probably in the region of a quarter of a million, and many of the players would have struggled to get time off work, but it seems like a total backward step.

irishbucsfan

Players really wouldn't have had too many problems and the ARU offered to cover travel and accommodation costs.

Sport Ireland need to step in soon, the IRFU's attitude towards women's rugby, considering they are an NGB, is pathetic.

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Players really wouldn't have had too many problems and the ARU offered to cover travel and accommodation costs.

Yeah, I think it was just our travel down, and maybe internal flights we'd have had to pay for. So my estimate of ~250k was absolute maximum.

This would have been such a great opportunity. Are a huge chunk of the women's backroom team with the 7s or something?

irishbucsfan

errlloyd wrote: »

This would have been such a great opportunity. Are a huge chunk of the women's backroom team with the 7s or something?

Eddy would be with the 7s, but he's of little consequence and this could be planned around quite easily.

I mean even if 3 weeks would have been costly, a single test match would have been a huge opportunity. The team wasn't even told about the offer.

connemara man

https://twitter.com/SeneNaoupu/status/1004638812390264832?s=19

https://twitter.com/LEAH__LYONZ/status/1004683252572086274?s=19

https://twitter.com/bananacaplice/status/1004673178021613569?s=19

Current national players and one stating decisions like this is forcing her out of the game the IRFU need to cop the hell on

arsebiscuits1

Playing devils advocate here.

Where would the support staff come from? The coaches, physios, admin, medics? Who organises the travel of a squad of 30 players when we already have 4 teams travelling simultaneously.

We have 2 Sevens teams competing the in the World Cup in San Francisco in 3 weeks and the same 2 teams competing this weekend in Paris.

I'm not trying to belittle Womens rugby. Nor am I insinuating that Sevens in more important.

But there is a huge crossover in Ireland between Sevens and Womens and logistically this would have been a huge ask

Squidgy Black

There has to be some intervention somewhere along the lines.

I know the IRFU are doing good work with the women's 7s at the moment, but the treatment the 15s players get is absolutely shocking.

Even decisions like playing their November series the day after the men's in Donnybrook. Why not have them play in the Aviva as an opener? And last years decision to reject RTE's offer of a primetime slot as a double header with the U20s and insisting the games have to be played on a Sunday.

Buer

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Playing devils advocate here.

Where would the support staff come from? The coaches, physios, admin, medics? Who organises the travel of a squad of 30 players when we already have 4 teams travelling simultaneously.

Ireland has just enjoyed the biggest bumper payday of rugby they've ever had. If they can't come up with the money for sending a squad down this summer, they never will.

When you have the Irish 7s teams, U20 team and men's side all playing in foreign countries, it must be incredibly hard for the women to stomach this.

It may have never even taken place due to availability of players but for the IRFU to reject it without consulting the squad is shabby. They could have reduced it to a two match tour and sent a smaller squad down as an option. I'm sure there were options available to try and make something work.

irishbucsfan

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Playing devils advocate here.

Where would the support staff come from? The coaches, physios, admin, medics? Who organises the travel of a squad of 30 players when we already have 4 teams travelling simultaneously.

We have 2 Sevens teams competing the in the World Cup in San Francisco in 3 weeks and the same 2 teams competing this weekend in Paris.

I'm not trying to belittle Womens rugby. Nor am I insinuating that Sevens in more important.

But there is a huge crossover in Ireland between Sevens and Womens and logistically this would have been a huge ask

This is something that they had months and months to plan. Since Griggs came on there isn't a coaching crossover with 7s (that's Eddy/McDowell). Admin would benefit from economies of scale as most of the IRFU's admin are there at the same time. Physios/doctors would be no problem, they use the same physios and doctors as the provinces, I know exactly who would've gone from that area but no need to go into that level of detail.

All things that could have been sorted, more than enough time to do it if the appetite was there. It's not.

arsebiscuits1

Squidgy Black wrote: »

There has to be some intervention somewhere along the lines.

I know the IRFU are doing good work with the women's 7s at the moment, but the treatment the 15s players get is absolutely shocking.

Even decisions like playing their November series the day after the men's in Donnybrook. Why not have them play in the Aviva as an opener? And last years decision to reject RTE's offer of a primetime slot as a double header with the U20s and insisting the games have to be played on a Sunday.

How do you know sponsorship wasn't an issue here?

England Women and men are sponsored by O2. Handy there for a double header as there are no issues over branding.

Our girls are sponsored by Aon. A great sponsor by all accounts. How do we know that Vodafone didn't pipe up and demand they're the only visible brand on jerseys that day in the Aviva?

Before people think I am clutching at stwraws, I've done a lot of contracting in many places. And marking and branding people are that petty and that competitive.

Case in point: Rory McIlroy didn't go to the Olympics because he wouldn't be wearing Nike gear. Sponsorship is worth a lot of money. But they're the devil.

Again, I am just playing devils advocate here

arsebiscuits1

irishbucsfan wrote: »

This is something that they had months and months to plan. Since Griggs came on there isn't a coaching crossover with 7s (that's Eddy/McDowell). Admin would benefit from economies of scale as most of the IRFU's admin are there at the same time. Physios/doctors would be no problem, they use the same physios and doctors as the provinces, I know exactly who would've gone from that area but no need to go into that level of detail.

All things that could have been sorted, more than enough time to do it if the appetite was there. It's not.

Griggs is part of the Sevens team http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/41665.php#.WxlGFO4vxpg