Womens' rugby Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

arsebiscuits1

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Enjoy, just pointing out the hypocrisy of the media and politicians.

The world thanks you for your service.

ahnowbrowncow

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

The world thanks you for your service.

I've obviously hit a nerve, snide remarks and no explanations forthcoming.

sydthebeat

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I've obviously hit a nerve, snide remarks and no explanations forthcoming.

no explanations needed.....

ahnowbrowncow

sydthebeat wrote: »

no explanations needed.....

My bad, I should have known there would be no objectivity about this in the rubgy forum.

ahnowbrowncow

sydthebeat wrote: »

tom court was a shotputter and didnt play rugby till he was 24 and was playing for ireland A 16 months later.. and ended up with 32 caps.

its not unusual for an athlete whop excels at one sport to cross over to another and excel at that too, especially where the skills transfer over quite readily

That just highlights the lack of skill required to play international rugby.

sydthebeat

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

My bad, I should have known there would be no objectivity about this in the rubgy forum.

theres no objectivity needed to consider sports persons representing their country internationally, in multi-international competitions, as elite athletes.

perhaps you have reasons for thinking otherwise?

sydthebeat

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

That just highlights the lack of skill required to play international rugby.

so wheres your international rugby medals?

Lost Ormond

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

That just highlights the lack of skill required to play international rugby.

It doesnt at all. Multiple sports have seen people take up the sport and be Olympic medalists/finalists in very short time as they had skills learned from other sports and they transferred them to new sport very well

Its because they have such skill already that they can play to the top level within the sport in short time not a lack of skill required to play that level

ahnowbrowncow

Lost Ormond wrote: »

It doesnt at all. Multiple sports have seen people take up the sport and be Olympic medalists/finalists in very short time as they had skills learned from other sports and they transferred them to new sport very well

Its because they have such skill already that they can play to the top level within the sport in short time not a lack of skill required to play that level

The fact he was an international player just 16 months after starting the game shows that either there was a complete dearth of competent players for that role which would highlight low participation levels for the game or that the role itself requires much less skill and more physicality and athletic ability.

Or possibly a combination of both.

sydthebeat

or the possibility that the role requires a mixture of physique, stamina and skill that the available pool in ireland is extremely small.

we still only have on average about 160 professional players on the island

having said that, its still the largest professional sport on the island

anyway...womens rugby thread

Lost Ormond

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

The fact he was an international player just 16 months after starting the game shows that either there was a complete dearth of competent players for that role which would highlight low participation levels for the game or that the role itself requires much less skill and more physicality and athletic ability.

Or possibly a combination of both.

No it doesnt at all. He had all the physical attributes to play the position that he went on to play. Not many people do but he was also an Olympic trialist in shot put which shows his athleticism. That doesnt mean his role doesnt require much skill.

sydthebeat

A bit of an easy first phase try to give away.

It makes such a difference if your openside can't get across the pitch quicker to help in the defense.

Great hands by France though

irishbucsfan

Ireland can’t be going through phases like that going backwards, French defense is too aggressive and too organised, they’ll go backwards and errors will creep in. Half backs need to back their set piece and defense

sydthebeat

Stupid silly pen

sydthebeat

Some maul, but if you're not going to contest the line out you need to shore up both sides of the maul to stop that initial shove and splinter

ScissorPaperRock

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

That just highlights the lack of skill required to play international rugby.

Yes there's little skill required for international rugby. That's it. Good. Well done.

sydthebeat

ScissorPaperRock wrote: »

Yes there's little skill required for international rugby. That's it. Good. Well done.

Please don't give obvious baiting posts oxygen

sydthebeat

That's clever, moloney for Ireland off a lineout maul

Lost Ormond

Good score to close gap.

TomsOnTheRoof

Discipline is atrocious

magic17

Yikes, how bad are Wales? This is atrocious

ednwireland

magic17 wrote: »

Yikes, how bad are Wales? This is atrocious

think england and france are a level above everyone else. error strewn from ireland though

Lost Ormond

magic17 wrote: »

Yikes, how bad are Wales? This is atrocious

Its not atrocious. Its a side getting beaten in nearly all collisions.

irishbucsfan

Ireland completely the architects of their own demise here. Half backs doing the team absolutely no favours.

But the problems here are fixable, that French team is beatable if they could just play them in the right areas.

Bridge93

Not good for a tournament to be so desperately uneven. Ireland appear to be comfortably the third best side yet the top two are just in a totally different league to everyone else. It’s like World Cup pool matches every week. Hard to know how to close the gap. I know the 6N is set up to model the men but really what’s the point. It’s not a level playing field.

KaneToad

Tyrell needs to be moving when she takes the pass from the 9. Every time she takes it static and gives a pass out the back. It allows France to rush up each time.

They are far more physical than we are. We were always unlikely to win. Hopefully we can string together a few phases in 2nd half. And cut out the basic errors...

Big Ears

Bridge93 wrote: »

Not good for a tournament to be so desperately uneven. Ireland appear to be comfortably the third best side yet the top two are just in a totally different league to everyone else. It’s like World Cup pool matches every week. Hard to know how to close the gap. I know the 6N is set up to model the men but really what’s the point. It’s not a level playing field.

Until such a time as the others can fund fully pro set ups it's not going to change.

Spain got shafted to accommodate the 6 Nations being the same countries as the men's tournament.
This probably highlights that a different system may be required for the women in the medium term.

Will anything change ?, I'd doubt it.

Lost Ormond

Bridge93 wrote: »

Not good for a tournament to be so desperately uneven. Ireland appear to be comfortably the third best side yet the top two are just in a totally different league to everyone else. It’s like World Cup pool matches every week. Hard to know how to close the gap. I know the 6N is set up to model the men but really what’s the point. It’s not a level playing field.

Top 2 are semi pro/pro and ireland just need to do lot of what they have been doing and it will close gap but just take long time.
Far too many players are starting to play rugby when they start college. We are seeing with Dorothy Wall from Fethard and of course Beibhinn Parsons as well as Eve Higgins and a few others.
Ciara Griffin started to play when she was 16 but her father has always been heavily involved in the sport. Been on countless Munster rugby committees including IRFU youths rugby committees. So bit different to a lot of the other ladies.
Ut is hard to close gap but developing the club base more. Getting a greater spread of the top players, provincial and national players across more clubs to get that stronger and ideally a higher standard/quality

Lost Ormond

Big Ears wrote: »

Until such a time as the others can fund fully pro set ups it's not going to change.

Spain got shafted to accommodate the 6 Nations being the same countries as the men's tournament.
This probably highlights that a different system may be required for the women in the medium term.

Will anything change ?, I'd doubt it.

Just changing to the top players being pro isnt enough as it doesnt get to the fact that there is major issues with the club game and fixing that has to be the priority as it will make it easier to develop more players.
Spain probably shouldnt have been removed from the womens tournament but what different system would you suggest?

mun1

It’s the difference between full tome paid professional players from France versus amateur players trying to fit in training and S&C sessions in around their day jobs.

Good to see the girls haven’t given up and you can see the skill level has improved over the past couple of years and they seem as structured as the french in attack (maybe even better) and defence .

The french front 5 are huge and as this is a game of rugby then thats the difference. All the Irish ball is on the back foot and we are relying on individual brilliance to make progress.
I know its a cliche but they will learn more about themselves from today than they learned last week.