Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

The Cush

irishcsifan wrote: »

Thats the thing. The cable is only a couple of years old and its an outdoor aerial

I think you may have an aerial or cable problem. Check your cable, connections at the TV and at the aerial if possible. If you can't do it yourself you should have a local installer look at it alright

irishcsifan

The Cush wrote: »

I think you may have an aerial or cable problem. Check your cable, connections at the TV and at the aerial if possible. If you can't do it yourself you should have a local installer look at it alright

Thanks

seanp_25

RTE ONE dog is back today.

The dog itself is upscaled SD, unlike the sharp HD one on RTE TWO HD.

I'd assume that the aspect ratio of 4:3 stuff on RTE One HD will still be wrong. Father Ted on RTE Two HD last night was still stretched to a 16:9 frame.

The Cush

seanp_25 wrote: »

RTE ONE dog is back today.

The dog itself is upscaled SD, unlike the sharp HD one on RTE TWO HD.

It came back on Thursday - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87404355

callaway92

barry181091 wrote: »

After rescanning parents TV in north Tipp, it seems its getting Mux 1 but not Mux 2. Ch 1 is just a blocky RTE 1 HD and 11 is RTE 1 (With the message on the guide to rescan blah blah)

Any idea how we can fix this? Are there any special setting to do with the frequency I can put in manually?

Ya I'm getting this on both TVs in South Tipp.

Signal coming up as 100% and still can't get RTE1 on channel 1.

Rick_

Yes, it would be great if RTÉ sorted out how 4:3 content is displayed. It should be pillarboxed by them and broadcast that way, not stretched to fill the screen.

watty

Yes on HD, as there is no anamorphic flag on HD. But on SD, it should be OAR with anamorphic flag set to 4:3.
For films they should be OAR with letterbox or pillarbox as required (some are 1.66:1 which is wider than 4:3 but narrower than TV's 1.78:1). Almost all films are wider than TV Widescreen. The 1.85:1 though are normally just slightly cropped at sides for TV & DVD/BD distribution. Though if your TV doesn't overscan you may notice small black bars on some Disk releases of Cinema 1.85:1 content.

Chimichangas

Does anyone know....

What channel numbers need to be searched for a manual retune for Saorview muxes in North Louth?

Also anyone know the relevant current channel numbers for uk freeview muxes for north louth?

Cheers!:)

The Cush

Chimichangas wrote: »

What channel numbers need to be searched for a manual retune for Saorview muxes in North Louth?

Also anyone know the relevant current channel numbers for uk freeview muxes for north louth?

Find the recommended transmitter and frequency for your location here - http://www.saorview.ie/get-saorview/make-the-switch/coverage-map/

NI Freeview transmitters here - http://www.ukfree.tv/maps.php?c=6 (zoom in and click on a transmitter to see its coverage area)

Oscarziggy

The Cush.
Good afternoon.
Let's hope the information in your 2nd link is correct as it isn't for Mt Leinster.
I spent ages trying to get a signal on CH39, as stated, when really it is CH26.
Regards

The Cush

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Let's hope the information in your 2nd link is correct as it isn't for Mt Leinster.
I spent ages trying to get a signal on CH39, as stated, when really it is CH26.

I'm not responsible for the information contained in the links

For Saorview information I'd always recommend checking an official source such as the Saorview coverage checker or the 2RN website.

Mt Leinster moved from Ch 39 to Ch 26 after ASO last Oct 2012.

slideshow bob

I rescanned today. Then channels are there, but channel names and "whats on now" has been lost. Is this going to come back in due course, or is RTNL no longer broadcasting this information do you know?

Peter Rhea

slideshow bob wrote: »

I rescanned today. Then channels are there, but channel names and "whats on now" has been lost.

Which channel names? RTE1, RTE1 +1 & RTE jr.? Those are the 'old' versions that will disappear, more than likely within the next day or 2.

The Cush

slideshow bob wrote: »

I rescanned today. Then channels are there, but channel names and "whats on now" has been lost. Is this going to come back in due course, or is RTNL no longer broadcasting this information do you know?

This is the current channel line-up on Saorview .

Channel line-up by LCN

LCN

|

Channel

||

Mux

|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉjr**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)|||
17|no channel name/programme info (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
18|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|(not used)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Gold audio
220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|no audio
249*|SSU|data channel|1|
250*|SSU|data channel|2|

* Hidden but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉjr 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing.

Paddy C

Paddy C wrote: »

Yes, it would be great if RTÉ sorted out how 4:3 content is displayed. It should be pillarboxed by them and broadcast that way, not stretched to fill the screen.

watty wrote: »

Yes on HD, as there is no anamorphic flag on HD. But on SD, it should be OAR with anamorphic flag set to 4:3.
For films they should be OAR with letterbox or pillarbox as required (some are 1.66:1 which is wider than 4:3 but narrower than TV's 1.78:1). Almost all films are wider than TV Widescreen. The 1.85:1 though are normally just slightly cropped at sides for TV & DVD/BD distribution. Though if your TV doesn't overscan you may notice small black bars on some Disk releases of Cinema 1.85:1 content.

As expected, Reeling in the Years is stretched on RTE One HD.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Karsini wrote: »

As expected, Reeling in the Years is stretched on RTE One HD.

A film called 'Tough Guys' was on RTE 2 HD earlier in the afternoon and was also in 'stretchyvision'. It looked really really poor. Surely RTE are going to sort this out in the near future? 4:3 material on stations such as Channel 4 HD is pillarboxed correctly.

Also some TV's can't even be manually switched to 4:3 in an attempt to view material properly. Sony's W4000 and V4500 TV's can't select this ratio when viewing a 1080i source.

watty

Actually TVs are not supposed to be able to reformat HD content, only SD content! HD content is NEVER supposed to change in aspect ratio. Non 16:9 material is supposed to be inserted in a 16:9 frame at source (Broadcast, Streaming or Disk).

Mr Cumulonimbus

watty wrote: »

Actually TVs are not supposed to be able to reformat HD content, only SD content! HD content is NEVER supposed to change in aspect ratio. Non 16:9 material is supposed to be inserted in a 16:9 frame at source (Broadcast, Streaming or Disk).

Interesting. My current TV (Sony EX524) allows switching to 4:3, even with a 1080i source, as does an older LG LH2000 series.

watty

Possibly to suit Computer display?

Anyway the responsibility is on the BROADCASTER to get HD right as the spec says ALWAYS have a 16:9 frame for HD and there is NO requirement for a viewer's TV to be able to fix it. Unlike SD.

seanp_25

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

A film called 'Tough Guys' was on RTE 2 HD earlier in the afternoon and was also in 'stretchyvision'. It looked really really poor. Surely RTE are going to sort this out in the near future? 4:3 material on stations such as Channel 4 HD is pillarboxed correctly.

Seems to me that the problem with films on RTE is that they've been playing their legacy 4:3 copies instead of getting new 16:9 HD copies.

watty

Should make no difference. They are supposed to frame properly. They have the system to do it.

Andy454

I got a new lg tv tonight - when I scanned all the channels are mixed up rte 1 is after aload of test cards totally stupid format now!

The Cush

Andy454 wrote: »

I got a new lg tv tonight - when I scanned all the channels are mixed up rte 1 is after aload of test cards totally stupid format now!

What country setting did you use when setting up the TV, Ireland or UK?

cornholiooo

Andy454 wrote: »

I got a new lg tv tonight - when I scanned all the channels are mixed up rte 1 is after aload of test cards totally stupid format now!

Id imagine you should be able to delete any unwanted channels and/or arrange the channels within the list any way you see fit?? RTFM

NorthDown2

Why does the NIMM seem to show programmes in the correct aspect ratio while the signal from Clermont Carn have stretched pictures? What bit of kit is in the UK that means the programmes are switched to correct ratio? Admitedly the NIMM can show the DOG in a condensed format too but I can live with that with a watchable picture.

NorthDown2

NorthDown2 wrote: »

Why does the NIMM seem to show programmes in the correct aspect ratio while the signal from Clermont Carn have stretched pictures? What bit of kit is in the UK that means the programmes are switched to correct ratio? Admitedly the NIMM can show the DOG in a condensed format too but I can live with that with a watchable picture.

Most likely because the NIMM feeds are SD, therefore the correct flags are being transmitted. The HD feeds need to be pillarboxed at source, which isn't being done.

Souriau

Just noticed that RTE1+1 on both multiplexes are off-air but subtitles is still running.

JamesyBelfast

News on RTE One last night looked like full HD to me - did anyone else notice?
Prime Time very obviously still upscaled SD but am sure the news studio footage looked HD at 9pm.

BTW - my brand new Samsung TV allows 4:3 formatting of HD channels, which I did think strange cos as has been stated, most TVs don't allow that. Unbelievable to me that RTE Two HD consistently show all 4:3 programmes incorrectly stretched - surely someone working there must know what's what????

Jpmarn

JamesyBelfast wrote: »

News on RTE One last night looked like full HD to me - did anyone else notice?
Prime Time very obviously still upscaled SD but am sure the news studio footage looked HD at 9pm.
??

I didn't think that the studio shots were full HD. But the video reports do come in looks like it is HD quality. I also think that some of the outdoor scenes on Fair City also have some clarity

MACHEAD

Andy454 wrote: »

I got a new lg tv tonight - when I scanned all the channels are mixed up rte 1 is after aload of test cards totally stupid format now!

When I did a rescan on my Sony Bravia (configured for Ireland), it dropped RTE 1 SD down below the new 'test card' channels. RTE 1 HD was put in 001. I deleted the SD version altogether to avoid confusion.

Jpmarn

Jpmarn wrote: »

I didn't think that the studio shots were full HD. But the video reports do come in looks like it is HD quality. I also think that some of the outdoor scenes on Fair City also have some clarity

There is an old thread discussing RTE HD from 2010. According to some posts there RTE installed a new interactive studio for news. It was probably equipped for HD output.

tlaavtech

I had thought that, but was informed that the News Studio was only fitted with SD switching equipment. It seemed strange since their news gathering cameras had been HD capable (XDCAM) since at least 2005.

formerly scottish paddy

Changing a studio to HD is much more complex than just the cameras and would also involve the entire broadcast chain, presentation, VTR, etc.

Rick_

I have e-mailed RTÉ regarding the 4:3 issue (and also about 2.35:1 films) and will post their reply here (if I ever get one!)

Elmo

Just scanned a finlux and it won't scan in mux 1 / rtenl1 / 2rn1 other channel not available

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

Just scanned a finlux and it won't scan in mux 1 / rtenl1 / 2rn1 other channel not available

Are you receiving Mux2?
And the now standard question, what aerial type are you using indoor/outdoor?

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

Are you receiving Mux2?
And the now standard question, what aerial type are you using indoor/outdoor?

Yes
Attic aerial no probs on main tv.

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

Attic aerial no probs on main tv.

How is the aerial split to the TV points, splitter/distribution amp? Signal level for Mux1 could be low (or high?) by the time it reaches the Finlux TV point.
Can you tune in the Finlux at the main TV point?

pegasuspub

i have seen many of the nordmende tv's which are the same vestel type chassis as the finlux as far as i know,that were retuned for mullaghanish to receive channels 21 and 24 for mux 1 and mux2,alot of these sets stored a very weak channel 39 version of mux1 from a distant transmitter and ignored the much stronger channel 21 from mullaghanish,they did store mux 2 signal on 24 from mullaghanish though,in one case i did a factory reset of the tv and rescanned it twice yet it still picked up the much weaker channel39 signal,
in the end i rescanned the tv and unplugged the antenna cable to the tv when it had passed channel 24 then plugged it back in when the tv was scanning channels up in the 50's,
as i said i have seen this several times in different houses and some with group a aerials,
also mux 2 from mt gabriel on channel 31 suffers badly from tetra interference in certain locations even though mux 1 on 37 is ok,hope this helps .

Peter Rhea

pegasuspub wrote: »

i have seen many of the nordmende tv's which are the same vestel type chassis as the finlux as far as i know,that were retuned for mullaghanish to receive channels 21 and 24 for mux 1 and mux2,alot of these sets stored a very weak channel 39 version of mux1 . . .

Channel 39 would be mux 2 from Drimoleague.

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

How is the aerial split to the TV points, splitter/distribution amp? Signal level for Mux1 could be low (or high?) by the time it reaches the Finlux TV point.
Can you tune in the Finlux at the main TV point?

Just splitters

Finlux stb will tune in the main room, when I bring it back it fails to pick up signal

Aerial is in attic
it is split as it enters the room with the finlux stb
it is then split again

Aerial

---

> 1st Splitter
1 Splitter

---

> Finlux

---

> 2nd Splitter
2nd Splitter

---

> Walker STB (Have not retuned)

---

> Walker TV (retuned)

Souriau

Is there any teletext working on any of the test channels?
I can get digital text on channel 1 and 7, MHEG-5 but the other 3 is nothing, Can anyone test with their STB set to Ireland as the Humax doesn't have Irish spec for teletext

0x08fd Teletext/VBI for program 1/2101
0x08fe Teletext/VBI for program 12/2102
0x08ff Teletext/VBI for program 13/2103
0x0901 Teletext/VBI for program 15/2105
0x0903 Teletext/VBI for program 7/2107

The Cush

Souriau wrote: »

Is there any teletext working on any of the test channels?

No teletext or subtitles on the testcard channels.

The Cush

Elmo wrote: »

Just splitters

Finlux stb will tune in the main room, when I bring it back it fails to pick up signal

Aerial is in attic
it is split as it enters the room with the finlux stb
it is then split again

Aerial

---

> 1st Splitter
1 Splitter

---

> Finlux

---

> 2nd Splitter
2nd Splitter

---

> Walker STB (Have not retuned)

---

> Walker TV (retuned)

The Finlux is OK so. Looks like a signal/connection problem at that point.

Can you swap over the splitter 1 outputs and test?

Can you test the Walker stb at the Finlux TV point to rule out a problem with the splitter/connections/signal at that TV point?

Was getting a similar problem with my setup but that was down to signal overload to the first receiver in the chain, when I tuned it in at the end of the chain it worked OK.

Where are you located approx. and how far are you from nearest transmitter?
Is there a signal strength/quality meter of any sort on the Finlux, if so what are the readings like?

Cocoon

Does anybody know if RTE plan to transmit in SD aswell as HD like BBC do on satellite? I bought a Tivisen for receiving DTT on my phone and it cannot handle HD DTT unfortunately.

zg3409

Cocoon wrote: »

Does anybody know if RTE plan to transmit in SD aswell as HD like BBC do on satellite? I bought a Tivisen for receiving DTT on my phone and it cannot handle HD DTT unfortunately.

No. As RTE 2 was only in HD, they assume everyone has a receiver capable of decoding RTE 2 and also when RTE 1 goes HD everyone should be able to receive this. 2RN/ RTENL saved a lot by skipping duplicating stations in SD and HD. In the UK there was various non HD boxes in use, so they needed to give people time to replace them.

Cocoon

Cocoon wrote: »

Does anybody know if RTE plan to transmit in SD aswell as HD like BBC do on satellite? I bought a Tivisen for receiving DTT on my phone and it cannot handle HD DTT unfortunately.

No, the plan was always to have no permanent SD simulcast.

kooga

40 pages later and nearly 5 weeks after mux 2 launched i am finally sorted. a combination of a masthead and and aerial poer supply and an upgraded tv cable has me sorted.

jimbo2007

The Cush wrote: »

This is the current channel line-up on Saorview .

Channel line-up by LCN

LCN

|

Channel

||

Mux

|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉjr**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)|||
17|no channel name/programme info (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
18|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|(not used)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Gold audio
220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|no audio
249*|SSU|data channel|1|
250*|SSU|data channel|2|

* Hidden but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉjr 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing.

Nearly 2 weeks on, is this still the same line-up today? has there been any change since this list and, any news as to when SD simulcasting will end for RTE 1?

Thanks.