Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

Elmo

jimbo2007 wrote: »

Nearly 2 weeks on, is this still the same line-up today? has there been any change since this list and, any news as to when SD simulcasting will end for RTE 1?

Thanks.

It is strange that no date has been mentioned. Have there been more problems?

Gerry Wicklow

The number of people on here complaining of mux 2 problems is anything to go by, it has probably forced a rethink for now. Too many coat hangers to upgrade:)

Peter Rhea

Elmo wrote: »

. . . Have there been more problems?

More problems? You mean there are known problems already? What are they?

Elmo

Peter Rhea wrote: »

More problems? You mean there are known problems already? What are they?

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

The number of people on here complaining of mux 2 problems is anything to go by, it has probably forced a rethink for now. Too many coat hangers to upgrade:)

Individual customers.

Peter Rhea

Individual 'customer' problems caused by inadequate receiving aerial installs can affect either mux: most of the complainers here are those who say they had 'perfect signal up until mux 2 started', when in reality they had nothing of the sort. They are just the random number who happened to get a slightly worse signal for the 2nd mux.

Anyway, 2rn don't do domestic receiving aerial installations, so nobody is a customer in that respect.

Gerry Wicklow

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Individual 'customer' problems caused by inadequate receiving aerial installs can affect either mux: most of the complainers here are those who say they had 'perfect signal up until mux 2 started', when in reality they had nothing of the sort. They are just the random number who happened to get a slightly worse signal for the 2nd mux.

Anyway, 2rn don't do domestic receiving aerial installations, so nobody is a customer in that respect.

Agreed but you can imagine the row on Joe Duffy if RTÉ1 suddenly disappeared from their "perfectly good up to now" coat hangers

Elmo

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Agreed but you can imagine the row on Joe Duffy if RTÉ1 suddenly disappeared from their "perfectly good up to now" coat hangers

Problems caused by not launching both muxes together.

Peter Rhea

Elmo wrote: »

Problems caused by not launching both muxes together.

How? Did people go back to using single-channel aerials?

Oscarziggy

What I can't understand is why since the launch of MUX 2 people have LOST channels.
Over here in Wales if you fail to receive a MUX because your aerial isn't up to it then you get less channels.
Why are people over there complaining that since MUX 2 launched they have lost channels that were previously ok.?
Is it bad channel MUX planning --- if you remember Mt Leinster launched a MUX on ch45 which wiped out Preseli reception on the North coast of Pembrokeshire --- Preseli using ch45 as well ?
Regards

Peter Rhea

Oscarziggy wrote: »

What I can't understand is why since the launch of MUX 2 people have LOST channels.

They haven't lost channels yet, as the 'old' mux 1 versions are still running.

Oscarziggy

I thought people were saying they have lost BBC channels etc?
Regards

Peter Rhea

Oscarziggy wrote: »

I thought people were saying they have lost BBC channels etc?

Most that lost Freeview muxes due to Saorview mux 2 switch-on would be outside the Freeview service area in NI. Anyone in NI would be in a poor Freeview reception area.

Most complaints of this nature would be due to Mt. Leinster sharing frequencies with Divis com. muxes. There might be issues between Castlebar & Brougher Mtn. in places too.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Peter Rhea wrote: »

as the 'old' mux 1 versions are still running.

Any date as to when these actually finish?

The Cush

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Any date as to when these actually finish?

No, I assume it depends on the level of calls to the Saorview helpline and probably posts here from people experiencing continued reception problems etc.

Hotblack Desiato

The Cush wrote: »

No, I assume it depends on the level of calls to the Saorview helpline and probably posts here from people experiencing continued reception problems etc.

If they'd taken that approach to ASO, it probably still wouldn't have happened.

405 was shut down only 16 years after it started here, TVs cost far far more in real terms then, there were no cheap STB converter options, yet there was no outcry.

People have had ample warning that a decent aerial and approved equipment are recommended. If they want to wing it on a rabbit's ears and some dodgy receiver it's up to them, but they can have no guarantee of what they'll be able to receive.

marclt

Has there been any *formal* notification to viewers to perform a retune?

All I'm aware of is the one for viewers on the small number of relays where freq changes have taken place.

The Cush

marclt wrote: »

Has there been any *formal* notification to viewers to perform a retune?

All I'm aware of is the one for viewers on the small number of relays where freq changes have taken place.

"Re-scan Required/Ath-scanadh ag Teastáil" information in the programme information banner, radio and TV announcements. They did place a notice on the 2RN/RTÉNL website but removed it within a few days, the same notice was emailed later to the trade according to Tony from satellite.ie.

larrymiller

Are yee all talking code or wha???

bigron2109

Ive a Aerial on the roof, but since this re-scan my RTE 2 has been unwatchable. But RTE 1 is perfect. Any suggestions.

Peter Rhea

bigron2109 wrote: »

Ive a Aerial on the roof, but since this re-scan my RTE 2 has been unwatchable.

Is your receiver Saorview approved? Saorview approved receivers are supposed to store the channels with best signal. Other receivers might store the 1st they come across (lowest frequency) in the top EPG position, with duplicates (possibly including your best signal) further down the list.

You need to know the UHF channel no. or frequency (in mHz or kHz) on which you are receiving RTE2 & also the transmitter your aerial is set up for.

Souriau

RTEjr frozen on Mux 1 while on Mux 2 is still showing

bigron2109

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Is your receiver Saorview approved? Saorview approved receivers are supposed to store the channels with best signal. Other receivers might store the 1st they come across (lowest frequency) in the top EPG position, with duplicates (possibly including your best signal) further down the list.

You need to know the UHF channel no. or frequency (in mHz or kHz) on which you are receiving RTE2 & also the transmitter your aerial is set up for.

Bascially the set up is as follows,

In the Kitchen we have a saorview approved tele, and the reception for the stations are poor there, apart from RTE one which is excellent. This is since the re-scan.

In my room, i dont have a saorview tv, and the box i have is not saorview either but i was getting the RTE'S and TV3 in perfectly before the re-scan.

We have a aerial on the roof which is what i used to get my RTE's etc.

Peter Rhea

Where approx. are you located? On which UHF channels/frequencies are you receiving Saorview mux 1 & 2 at each receiver? (Check RTE2 for mux 1, RTE1 for mux 2.) Do you know which transmitter your aerial is pointed at?

JeanClaude

Sorry for my ignorance but after I rescanned my Saorview box I'm only getting RTE1. By looking at the 1st page of this thread, I seem to be on the "MUX2" channel lineup and I'm not sure how to change to "MUX1".

The Saorview box is the TVSTAR from LIDL.

Horsetiger

I'm having the same problem - picking up RTE 1, RTE 1+1 and RTE jr but nothing on MUX1 - standard Walker Saorview receiver with 'One for All' aerial.

mandrk

Similar to bigron I'm having trouble with the channels remaining on MUX 1 since turning on mux2. Is this 'transition' complete and will channels now continue to be split over the 2 MUXs? Or will they all eventually move to MUX 2?

I've been working off mt Leinster quite happily since march 2010. My aerial is in the attic. I have one TV connected directly to the aerial then another 2 via a wideband splitter. Ever since the launch of mux2 the signal strength and quality of the channels on MUX1 one are really bad. Those on MUX 2 are perfect.

The TVs connected via the splitter seem to be suffering worse. Rte 2 breaks up continually on one TV and the other has lost it completely on rescan. The TV connected directly to aerial seems to be managing OK. But signal strength and quality is better on MUX 2 in this case too. So do I :

1) move my aerial outside to get better signal?
2) re wire all my cables directly to the aerial?
3) wait for all channels to move to MUX 2?

I've been waiting/hoping for number 3 to happen but I'm guessing this is going to be the case

Find the information on this from saorview and rtenl has been pretty poor.

kooga

mandrk wrote: »

Similar to bigron I'm having trouble with the channels remaining on MUX 1 since turning on mux2. Is this 'transition' complete and will channels now continue to be split over the 2 MUXs? Or will they all eventually move to MUX 2?

I've been working off mt Leinster quite happily since march 2010. My aerial is in the attic. I have one TV connected directly to the aerial then another 2 via a wideband splitter. Ever since the launch of mux2 the signal strength and quality of the channels on MUX1 one are really bad. Those on MUX 2 are perfect.

The TVs connected via the splitter seem to be suffering worse. Rte 2 breaks up continually on one TV and the other has lost it completely on rescan. The TV connected directly to aerial seems to be managing OK. But signal strength and quality is better on MUX 2 in this case too. So do I :

1) move my aerial outside to get better signal?
2) re wire all my cables directly to the aerial?
3) wait for all channels to move to MUX 2?

I've been waiting/hoping for number 3 to happen but I'm guessing this is going to be the case

Find the information on this from saorview and rtenl has been pretty poor.

4. what i did installed a masthead amp and an aerial power amp and hav eperfect signal

mandrk

kooga wrote: »

4. what i did installed a masthead amp and an aerial power amp and hav eperfect signal

Cheers. Can you suggest a power amp?

Any thoughts as to why MUX 1 would be gone so poor when MUX 2 reception is perfect?

Peter Rhea

mandrk wrote: »

My aerial is in the attic. I have one TV connected directly to the aerial then another 2 via a wideband splitter . . .

. . . The TVs connected via the splitter seem to be suffering worse.

So the splitter is fed from the aerial-out of a STB at the TV point that is fed direct from the aerial?

The channels won't all be moving to mux 2 btw: the launch of the 2nd mux was to increase overall capacity, allowing more HD services.

Oscarziggy

mandrk wrote: »

Ever since the launch of mux2 the signal strength and quality of the channels on MUX1 one are really bad. Those on MUX 2 are perfect.

Can anyone explain why this has happened ?
I can't understand why switching on another channel should cause this unless the strength on MUX2 is swamping the wideband splitter -- if that is the case it isn't an amp that is needed but an attenuator --- variable ones are available which I have used in the past to overcome a similar problem with a receiver that had a very sensitive tuner.
Oddly. that receiver would quite happily tune all SD channels (UK) BUT refused to find any HD channels (again UK) until the attenuator was used to reduce the signal.

Just my thoughts ....
Regards

Peter Rhea

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Can anyone explain why this has happened ?

Maybe a weaker transmitter was tuned in on the problem TVs? Could be something on a lower frequency e.g. Arklow, Gallows Hill, Mullaghanish: depends where mandrk is located.

Oscarziggy

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Maybe a weaker transmitter was tuned in on the problem TVs? Could be something on a lower frequency e.g. Arklow, Gallows Hill, Mullaghanish: depends where mandrk is located.

Hadn't thought of that --- I am only in range of one TX here -- apart from yours over there with an additional aerial.
I wonder what is going to happen when MUX1 is turned off !!
Regards.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Hadn't thought of that --- I am only in range of one TX here -- apart from yours over there with an additional aerial.
I wonder what is going to happen when MUX1 is turned off !!
Regards.

Will still be there. Just RTE1, RTEjr and RTE 1+1 being removed from it.

mandrk

Peter Rhea wrote: »

So the splitter is fed from the aerial-out of a STB at the TV point that is fed direct from the aerial?

No, aerial connected directly to mvision combo stb. This is working fine all be it with worse quality/strength on mux1. Then I've a second feed from the same aerial going to a 4 way splitter then off to 2 other TVs. These TVs are the ones I'm having trouble with.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Maybe a weaker transmitter was tuned in on the problem TVs? Could be something on a lower frequency e.g. Arklow, Gallows Hill, Mullaghanish: depends where mandrk is located.

No I've got the right CHs/freqs for mt Leinster as per the rtenl doc. 23/490 on MUX 1 and 26/514 for MUX 2. I'm based in hilly south Wicklow between aughrim and tinahely but have clear line of sight to mt leinster all be it 25 miles away. Arklow is probably closer but I've never been able to pick up this tx which is on CH 21 I think.

Oscarziggy

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Will still be there. Just RTE1, RTEjr and RTE 1+1 being removed from it.

Thanks --- my fault, you have said what I meant to say !!
Maybe it's these duplicates that are causing the problems -- time will tell.
Regards

Peter Rhea

mandrk wrote: »

I've a second feed from the same aerial going to a 4 way splitter then off to 2 other TVs.

What kind of aerial? I think I've only seen 1 that had provision for more than 1 connection, via an integrated amplifier. Just jamming extra cables into a connection intended for 1 only, is a no-no.

dubb

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Peter Rhea wrote: »

the 'old' mux 1 versions are still running.

Any date as to when these actually finish?

The 'old' MUX1 broadcasts should continue past Christmas according to RTÉNL/2RN. I guess they would like to avoid the bad PR of 'switching off' people's RTE1 before Christmas, especially if nobody needs the SD MUX1 channels yet.

mandrk

Peter Rhea wrote: »

What kind of aerial? I think I've only seen 1 that had provision for more than 1 connection, via an integrated amplifier. Just jamming extra cables into a connection intended for 1 only, is a no-no.

Its a 15 euro piece of crap UHF aerial I picked up in b&q years ago. Yes its only meant for single feed but issues only kicked off when MUX 2 was turned on. All was fine for close on 4 years before that.

Peter Rhea

Anything used to divide the signal from the aerial must maintain the correct system impedance. Connecting cables together directly won't do this & signal won't be transferred efficiently from aerial to receiver(s).

You should just have 1 feed from the aerial to the splitter, & feed the receivers from the splitter.

The Cush

mandrk wrote: »

Its a 15 euro piece of crap UHF aerial I picked up in b&q years ago. Yes its only meant for single feed but issues only kicked off when MUX 2 was turned on. All was fine for close on 4 years before that.

Going back to your initial post, my suggestion would be to mount the aerial outside with a distribution amp in the attic to feed the different TV points.

mandrk

Thanks for the tips guys. Will try to rewire and distribute off single feed first before drilling holes & buying an amp. Will let you know how I go.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Maybe it's these duplicates that are causing the problems

It's a factor for some I'd say. They should switch them off on a given date, say 10th January, with a permanent onscreen message saying this for about a week preceeding it.

steveon

Oscarziggy wrote: »

What I can't understand is why since the launch of MUX 2 people have LOST channels.
Over here in Wales if you fail to receive a MUX because your aerial isn't up to it then you get less channels.
Why are people over there complaining that since MUX 2 launched they have lost channels that were previously ok.?
Is it bad channel MUX planning --- if you remember Mt Leinster launched a MUX on ch45 which wiped out Preseli reception on the North coast of Pembrokeshire --- Preseli using ch45 as well ?
Regards

Some people lost the channels as the old versions are not broadcasting any name so some tv's such as Samsung and Lg's simply remove them from the listing.

Oscarziggy

steveon wrote: »

Some people lost the channels as the old versions are not broadcasting any name so some tv's such as Samsung and Lg's simply remove them from the listing.

That could explain why the odd set top box I have - View21 PVR - is the same .
BUT if,after a "first time install" I watch RTE1 HD and leave the box on that channel it will remain.
If I change channels to RTE2 HD or any other then when I try to come back
to RTE1 HD it's not available --- as in GONE !!
If,after a "first time install" I tune into RTE2 HD then try to change to RTE1 HD it's already GONE !!
Very odd box ....
My Sony TV keeps them all.

Regards

mandrk

mandrk wrote: »

Thanks for the tips guys. Will try to rewire and distribute off single feed first before drilling holes & buying an amp. Will let you know how I go.

All sorted. Moving the second feed I had from the aerial to the splitter did the trick. All stbs and TVs working fine for both MUXs. Thanks for help.

kooga

good to see all is quiet here on the mux 2 rescan thread..................all must be ok or else people have just given up watching rte 1

timmy4u2

kooga wrote: »

good to see all is quiet here on the mux 2 rescan thread..................all must be ok or else people have just given up watching rte 1

Things get very easy when you get to know everything about them:D

Oscarziggy

Waiting for reply from the maker of my set top box for a work around and with interest when the duplicates are shut down in January I believe.

It's only TV after all ..!!

Regards

dublinman1990

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Waiting for reply from the maker of my set top box for a work around and with interest when the duplicates are shut down in January I believe.

It's only TV after all ..!!

Regards

Well we won't have to wait any longer now because RTE1 HD on both Saorview & UPC will launch from next Monday.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-one-hd-to-launch-next-monday-1.1624437

jimbo2007

The Cush wrote: »

This is the current channel line-up on Saorview .

Channel line-up by LCN

LCN

|

Channel

||

Mux

|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉjr**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)|||
17|no channel name/programme info (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
18|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|(not used)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Gold audio
220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|no audio
249*|SSU|data channel|1|
250*|SSU|data channel|2|

* Hidden but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉjr 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing.

I assume this is still the same line-up today - but on Monday after the changes, please can you update this table for us? Thanks.