Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

The Cush

jimbo2007 wrote: »

I assume this is still the same line-up today - but on Monday after the changes, please can you update this table for us? Thanks.

There won't be any changes to the table until the 3 duplicate channels are switched off or some other change. RTÉ1 HD is already in position at LCN 01 and using a 1080i HD stream on Mux2 .

The only change we should see from Monday will be some programming in true HD with the rest in upscaled SD as is the case with RTÉ2 HD.

Hotblack Desiato

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Well we won't have to wait any longer now because RTE1 HD on both Saorview & UPC will launch from next Monday.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-one-hd-to-launch-next-monday-1.1624437

Bit pathetic that it talks about the 'forthcoming' launch of a HD channel that's been there for weeks now. Then again, it's a tech article in Irish mainstream media, so a clue is unlikely. (Hotel wi-fi scare blatant publicity stunt, anyone?)

Yes, it's mostly upscaled, but so is RTE2HD, and even upscaled content is a lot better than the low-bitrate sub-SD resolution RTE1 had until the Mux2 launch.

Still though, there should have been two muxes at ASO and decent SD, if not upscaled HD (or real HD) on RTE1/2 and TG4 at that time. TV3 have never cared about poor coverage on analogue so they're hardly going to care about poor quality pictures on Saorview.

Gerry Wicklow

ninja900 wrote: »

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Yes, it's mostly upscaled, but so is RTE2HD, and even upscaled content is a lot better than the low-bitrate sub-SD resolution RTE1 had until the Mux2 launch.
............

It's much better than the fog they were transmitting but it would be even better if they went for full 1920 HD.

Dear Santa, I have been a good boy......:D

Oscarziggy

If a rescan is the order of the day ---- some fun coming up next week !!
Are we talking of a totally new channel or the content on the existing RTE1 upscaled.?
RTE1 ,RTE 1 Duplicate and RTE1 HD?
Regards

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

There won't be any changes to the table until the 3 duplicate channels are switched off or some other change. RTÉ1 HD is already in position at LCN 01 and using a 1080i HD stream on Mux2 .

The only change we should see from Monday will be some programming in true HD with the rest in upscaled SD as is the case with RTÉ2 HD.

And a new RTE1 HD DOG ?

zg3409

From what I read here, nothing should change except for:
1) Possibly DOG
2) More detailed content on existing RTE1 transmission with no technical changes.

formerly scottish paddy

Oscarziggy wrote: »

If a rescan is the order of the day ---- some fun coming up next week !!
Are we talking of a totally new channel or the content on the existing RTE1 upscaled.?
RTE1 ,RTE 1 Duplicate and RTE1 HD?
Regards

No further rescan, (if you have already done it since 21st October!)
RTÉ1 HD already there (upscaled 1080i) Saorview channel 01 (on Mux2). What is being launched on Monday is the "official" naming of the channel as: RTÉ1 HD (probably with a new DOG) and the ability to play out recorded material in true HD, and stream HD programming from OB's and external sources. No studios have been converted to HD working yet, so no studio based RTÉ programming in HD for a while.

Oscarziggy

formerly scottish paddy.
Thanks for that --- nothing is going to change for me as my magic box automatically deletes RTE 1 just after it finds it leaving the non - EPG RTE 1---- but that is another story !!
Interesting time for me will be when the duplicates cease.
Regards

Grats

This query may have nothing to do with this topic but I don't want to start up another topic if not necessary.

Recently I find that when the ad come on the sound is just way too loud. I turn it down but when the program comes back on I have to turn the sound way back up again. Very frustrating. Anybody else experiencing this? Any ideas what is causing it?

Thanks and regards.

Grats

Grats wrote: »

This query may have nothing to do with this topic but I don't want to start up another topic if not necessary.

Recently I find that when the ad come on the sound is just way too loud. I turn it down but when the program comes back on I have to turn the sound way back up again. Very frustrating. Anybody else experiencing this? Any ideas what is causing it?

Thanks and regards.

It's deliberate, to draw attention to the advertising. The FCC in the US banned this practice recently but I can't see that being done here.

Grats

Thanks for reply. Deliberate - that's interesting but VERY frustrating. Guess we'll have to live with it.

The Cush

Grats wrote: »

Deliberate - that's interesting but VERY frustrating. Guess we'll have to live with it.

Loudness, new EBU recommendations for European broadcasters - http://www.r128audio.com/

Hotblack Desiato

Grats wrote: »

Thanks for reply. Deliberate - that's interesting but VERY frustrating. Guess we'll have to live with it.

I rarely watch live TV anymore and this is part of the reason. Record what you want to watch and then skip all the ads.

Sheldons Brain

Thanks for that --- nothing is going to change for me as my magic box automatically deletes RTE 1 just after it finds it leaving the non - EPG RTE 1---- but that is another story !!

Try scanning MUX1 , MUX2 first in a different order.

jimbo2007

The Cush wrote: »

This is the current channel line-up on Saorview .

Channel line-up by LCN

LCN

|

Channel

||

Mux

|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉjr**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)|||
17|no channel name/programme info (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
18|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|(not used)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Gold audio
220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|no audio
249*|SSU|data channel|1|
250*|SSU|data channel|2|

* Hidden but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉjr 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing.

Are the duplicates still on air? Any changes at all today?

Oscarziggy

Nothing changed here.
Regards

jimbo2007

Thanks for that.

Mr Cumulonimbus

jimbo2007 wrote: »

Are the duplicates still on air?

Yes.

Any changes at all today?

Just the new "RTE ONE HD" graphic on the HD version as opposed to the continuing "RTE ONE" graphic on the SD version on Mux1. At least it will show which version people should have tuned in, especially if they have an STB connected to a TV via a non-HD connection.

Souriau

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Yes.



Just the new "RTE ONE HD" graphic on the HD version as opposed to the continuing "RTE ONE" graphic on the SD version on Mux1. At least it will show which version people should have tuned in, especially if they have an STB connected to a TV via a non-HD connection.

The RTE One HD version have digital text and subtitles while the RTE One SD verson doesn't have digital text and subtitles

RTE One HD had gone up to 9mbps. video 7.6mbps rest are audio and data

Digifriendly

Any word of RTE One HD coming to Sky?

formerly scottish paddy

I have read that it won't be on Sky until the New Year as they don't launch channels over Christmas. Also it might have to go on another transponder as there is not enough space on the current "RTÉ" one, (as they still have to keep the SD versions on it as well).
Wonder if they'll put News Now on also?

timmy4u2

I have an elderly relative living in West Limerick near the Kerry border.
He has an aldi or maybe its a Lidl tevion telly in his kitchen. Since Monday his RTE 1 has disappeared for most of the time. All other stations are operating ok with strong signals
He can get RTE 1 at channel 11fine with the rescan sign.
He has a walker box on his bedroom telly and RTE 1 is fine there both on Channel 1 and 11.
Both tellies are working through a distribution amplifier and all connections are fine.
The Tevion on channel 1 shows channel 44, network RTENL2 modulation 64 QAM.
All the other stations are on Channel 47 RTENL1 with a signal strength of 99 and quality of 99.
What is the problem?

jamesnp

timmy4u2 wrote: »

I have an elderly relative living in West Limerick near the Kerry border.
He has an aldi or maybe its a Lidl tevion telly in his kitchen. Since Monday his RTE 1 has disappeared for most of the time. All other stations are operating ok with strong signals
He can get RTE 1 at channel 11fine with the rescan sign.
He has a walker box on his bedroom telly and RTE 1 is fine there both on Channel 1 and 11.
Both tellies are working through a distribution amplifier and all connections are fine.
The Tevion on channel 1 shows channel 44, network RTENL2 modulation 64 QAM.
All the other stations are on Channel 47 RTENL1 with a signal strength of 99 and quality of 99.
What is the problem?

The problem is that the box, like most other things bought in Aldi/Lidl, is probably crap and not Saorview approved. Therefore the order of the channels will be messed up now, but he should still be able to receive it nonetheless.

-jp

timmy4u2

jamesnp wrote: »

The problem is that the box, like most other things bought in Aldi/Lidl, is probably crap and not Saorview approved. Therefore the order of the channels will be messed up now, but he should still be able to receive it nonetheless.

-jp

Its a tevion television not a box and it is saorview approved. All the other stations are fine with 99% strength and quality. Its just that RTE 1 is loosing reception and just since Monday. Was that when they changed to hd.
The Tevion telly is on the list of approved sets.

jamesnp

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Its a tevion television not a box and it is saorview approved. All the other stations are fine with 99% strength and quality. Its just that RTE 1 is loosing reception and just since Monday. Was that when they changed to hd.
The Tevion telly is on the list of approved sets.

Oh well. I stand corrected! Have you tried rescanning/resetting?

timmy4u2

jamesnp wrote: »

Oh well. I stand corrected! Have you tried rescanning/resetting?

I will be calling to him in an hour or so but he is pretty good at these things and he has done both an auto and manual scan to no avail.
He is expecting me to come up with a solution:eek:

The Cush

timmy4u2 wrote: »

I will be calling to him in an hour or so but he is pretty good at these things and he has done both an auto and manual scan to no avail.
He is expecting me to come up with a solution:eek:

It's probably a signal strength issue, some tuners handle weaker/stronger signals better than others. Can you test the TV at the bedroom tv point and the Walker box at the kitchen TV point? Also swap around the distribution amp outputs.

timmy4u2

The Cush wrote: »

It's probably a signal strength issue, some tuners handle weaker/stronger signals better than others. Can you test the TV at the bedroom tv point and the Walker box at the kitchen TV point? Also swap around the distribution amp outputs.

He swapped the amp outlets without success. Its a bit tight getting to the cables in bedroom with dvds etc but I guess that will be my job.
Is it unusual that its problems started on Monday without any disturbance and that all other stations have excellent reception

The Cush

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Is it unusual that its problems started on Monday without any disturbance and that all other stations have excellent reception

Probably just coincidence. RTÉ1 HD is on the same frequency as RTÉ Junior/RTÉ1+1, LCNs 7 & 8, how have they been?

timmy4u2

The Cush wrote: »

Probably just coincidence. RTÉ1 HD is on the same frequency as RTÉ Junior/RTÉ1+1, LCNs 7 & 8, how have they been?

Junior and plus 1 not good. 3 and tg4 perfect as is the other rte1 showing 99% signal and quality. Walker box does not have a problem with any station. Aerial is in the attic

Maidhci

I am having an issue/problem with recording programmes on 1 Saorview channel while watching another. I am using a Saorview approved Triax TR112 ST box with a HDD TV. Prior to October, there was not a problem, the channel order remained the same whether recording or not. Now, if recording a programme on No. 2 (RTE 2), RTE 1 is only available on No. 11 not on No.1. If recording on No. 3 (TV3), RTE 1 is not available at all. I checked this out with Saorview and they advised that from early in the New Year, that it will not even be possible to record on one channel while watching another, using my current set-up. Is this correct or did I understand the position correctly? If it is correct, how can it be that the ST box that I purchased was Saorview approved and marketed with the facility of allowing a programme on 1 channel to be watched while recording on another channel? What has changed to make these ST boxes obsolete? Surely, if the case as outlined by Saorview, as I understood it, is correct, these set-top boxes should have been issued with a conditional Saorview approval or some other caveat attached, stating that they would not be fit for part of the purpose that they were approved and marketed for after a certain date? Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like the box only has one DVB-T tuner so you can only watch and record from the same mux. So if you're recording RTE Two you cannot watch RTE One or RTEjr/One+1.

Maidhci

Karsini wrote: »

It sounds like the box only has one DVB-T tuner so you can only watch and record from the same mux. So if you're recording RTE Two you cannot watch RTE One or RTEjr/One+1.

That seems to be the case - but therefore, how could this not have been anticipated at the stage that these boxes were being given the Saorview seal of approval?

The Cush

Maidhci wrote: »

That seems to be the case - but therefore, how could this not have been anticipated at the stage that these boxes were being given the Saorview seal of approval?

The TR112 is a single tuner receiver, as are most zapper boxes, so you can only watch/record channels carried on a single mux/frequency.

Since the 21st Oct the Saorview channels are now split between two muxes/frequencies (see below) so a twin-tuner receiver will be required to watch/record channels carried on the 2 muxes/frequencies.

No requirement for a Saorview approved receiver to have 2 or more tuners.

The Triax TR212S is a twin tuner replacement for the TR112 you have and I think the only twin-tuner Saorview approved zapper box on the market - http://www.triax.co.uk/upload/settopboxesjuly_13.pdf. There is also a twin-tuner Saorview approved PVR with built-in HDD on the market but I've had problems recording with mine.


Multiplex 1

LCN

|

Channel

||
249*|SSU|data channel||
11|no channel name (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|temporary, going in the New Year
02|RTÉ Two|HD|
03|TV3|SD|
04|TG4|SD|
05|3e|SD|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|
17|no channel name (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|temporary, going in the New Year
18|no channel name (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|temporary, going in the New Year
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio
207*|(not used)||previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio

Multiplex 2

LCN

|

Channel

||
250*|SSU|data channel|
01|RTÉ One|HD|
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|TG4 subtitles and teletext previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)||
07|RTÉjr**|SD|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|no audio
218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|RTÉ Gold audio
220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|no audio

* Hidden on Saorview receivers but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉjr 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Mheg-5 receivers displays a static off-air graphic shortly after changing channels

TAFKAlawhec

Just to add to what Karsini & The Cush have said, the standard Saorview specification does not set down the ability to record one channel while watching another on the same receiver. Any such Saorview approved television or set-top-box receiver will only have the likes of recording to a USB drive or external hard drive as an additional extra, and if it has only one terrestrial tuner on board will not be able to record anything that is not broadcast on the same multiplex.

A Saorview Plus PVR will meet the specification of being able to watch one channel while recording another as such receivers have at least two terrestrial tuners and therefore can be tuned to two different multiplexes.

tj2011

I was wondering if anyone in the Cavan area is having problems with the RTE1 HD signal? I have no problems with any of the other Irish channels signal wise but RTE1 HD is dropping in signal strength from 100% down to 45 and sometimes 25% which is causing pixelation and break up so much so that I just watch RTE1 SD which has not break up at all....can anyone tell why this is happening? I have retuned several times but the problem is only on RTE1 HD on freq 44 I think? Thanks in advance for any help...

Gordare

tj, I'm in Kildare and have had the same problem, except my RTE 1 HD signal has now completely disappeared. I've tried to get it back by rescanning but to no avail, I'm just making do with RTE 1 SD now. That keeps saying that a rescan is required blah blah but, as I said, doing that doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

timmy4u2

tj2011 wrote: »

I was wondering if anyone in the Cavan area is having problems with the RTE1 HD signal? I have no problems with any of the other Irish channels signal wise but RTE1 HD is dropping in signal strength from 100% down to 45 and sometimes 25% which is causing pixelation and break up so much so that I just watch RTE1 SD which has not break up at all....can anyone tell why this is happening? I have retuned several times but the problem is only on RTE1 HD on freq 44 I think? Thanks in advance for any help...

A friend of mine had the same problem since the day that HD came out. All other channels were ok with the exception of plus and junior. See my previous posts.
All other stations were showing full signal.
Today I had a go at it and I moved the aerial slightly just a few degrees now RTE 1 HD is showing full signal and quality whereas 2 and 3 and TG 4 are now down to 97% but all stations are now perfect.
I can only assume that RTE 1 HD is more tempremental and needed a slight adjustment.

Peter Rhea

Nothing special about Kildare or Cavan: any problems will almost certainly be due to deficiencies in your own receiving aerial system.

More than likely you have a 'just good enough' signal on the multiplex (mux) carrying RTE1 SD, with the signal for the other mux (with RTE1 HD) only having to be slightly worse to render it unwatchable.

Peter Rhea

timmy4u2 wrote: »

I can only assume that RTE 1 HD is more tempremental and needed a slight adjustment.

Mux 2 is the same spec. signal as mux 1, just transmitted within a different 8 mHz of UHF bandwidth.

timmy4u2

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Mux 2 is the same spec. signal as mux 1, just transmitted within a different 8 mHz of UHF bandwidth.

All I I can tell you is how it was and is.
Up until monday of the HD all channels were working fine.
From Monday on RTE 1 HD was disappearing or freezing and fluctuating down to 0 and up to 30% .
He tried rescans, he tried changing to another cable run, he tried bypassing the amp. Nothing worked.
Today I moved the aerial a degree or two and RTE 1 is back perfect. Incidentally it is channel 44.

Maybe the aerial shifted due to the high winds? Not impossible.

timmy4u2

Karsini wrote: »

Maybe the aerial shifted due to the high winds? Not impossible.

It is impossible in his case because it is in his attic:)

Peter Rhea

timmy4u2 wrote: »

. . .Up until monday of the HD all channels were working fine.
From Monday on RTE 1 HD was disappearing or freezing and fluctuating down to 0 and up to 30% .
He tried rescans, he tried changing to another cable run, he tried bypassing the amp. Nothing worked.
Today I moved the aerial a degree or two and RTE 1 is back perfect. Incidentally it is channel 44.

Is this the attic aerial you mentioned in an earlier post? Maybe someone went up to get Christmas decorations or something & it got a bit of a knock?

timmy4u2

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Is this the attic aerial you mentioned in an earlier post? Maybe someone went up to get Christmas decorations or something & it got a bit of a knock?

Same aerial. He is in his 80's so he does not visit the attic, hence me having to go up there.
The aerial is fixed and solid and I had to use spanners to get it to move.
Of course the whole roof may have moved.:)

Peter Rhea

timmy4u2 wrote: »

The aerial is fixed and solid and I had to use spanners to get it to move.

This is near the Limerick/Kerry border? Channels 44 & 47 there should be the Cnoc an Oir transmitter: is the aerial pointing that way (west or northwest) & is it vertically polarised?

timmy4u2

Peter Rhea wrote: »

This is near the Limerick/Kerry border? Channels 44 & 47 there should be the Cnoc an Oir transmitter: is the aerial pointing that way (west or northwest) & is it vertically polarised?

Yes to all.
Moving the aerial a few degrees sorted out RTE 1.
All the other channels remain perfect though signal strength has dropped slightly.
Before last monday week and the demise of RTE1 all channels had the same strength.
Its remarkable that a poster in Lietrim and a poster in Kildare have the same problem with RTE1

Peter Rhea

timmy4u2 wrote: »

Its remarkable that a poster in Lietrim and a poster in Kildare have the same problem with RTE1

Nothing remarkable at all. Just 3 aerial installations that were poorly done to begin with or have deteriorated with time.

timmy4u2

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Nothing remarkable at all. Just 3 aerial installations that were poorly done to begin with or have deteriorated with time.

If they were poorly installed how come they, or at least my friends, performed without a problem and with full signal strength on all channels; and then on the day of change to HD RTE1 went to zero at times and 10% at other times.
Aerial did not shift as I had to get a spanner to release it.

Without the benefit of re-reading the Lietrim post and the Kildare post I am assuming that they enjoyed perfect reception on all channels initially.
BTW thisis a genuine question/observation and not a challenge.

Peter Rhea

timmy4u2 wrote: »

If they were poorly installed how come they, or at least my friends, performed without a problem and with full signal strength on all channels; and then on the day of change to HD RTE1 went to zero at times and 10% at other times.

Just coincidence. No change was made that would affect the robustness of the transmitted signal i.e. the ability of a receiver to continue decoding it, all other things being the same as before.

Maybe the problem was caused by a temporary increase in interference from Woodcock Hill (same channels) that might have gone away without your intervention. Turning the aerial probably lessened the interfering signal.

Does the Saorview coverage map recommend Cnoc an Oir for that particular location?