Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

The Cush

mgc102 wrote: »

What is stopping a manufacturer from producing a box/TV that is capable of working in all EU countries? Is it the you need the approval stamp ? Or are the manafacturer pre

The major manufacturers like Sony do this already, it simply requires lab certification for the various national receiver standards.

mgc102

I dont have any Sony equipment.

mgc102 wrote: »

What is stopping a manufacturer from producing a box/TV that is capable of working in all EU countries? Is it the you need the approval stamp ? Or are the manafacturer pre

My battery died before I could finish the above post.

Ok major manufacturers like Sony do this. Is there a Sony PVR that can be used across the EU like the way an IPhone can be used throughout the EU?

The Cush

mgc102 wrote: »

Is there a Sony PVR that can be used across the EU like the way an IPhone can be used throughout the EU?

No, TVs only. The DTT market is probably too small to justify the cost of pan-European PVR certification, but everyone needs a TV.

mgc102

too small to justify the cost

sounds like what the Betamax said to the VHS?

where is the competition in the DTT market?

Sam Russell

Some TV manufacturers deliberately make TVs incompatible to stop grey marketing. This is a particular problem for us in Ireland as the UK is an easy place to source grey product. It is unfortunate that this exists, and support for firmware does not continue beyond the warranty period.

It is further made difficult by the 'helpful' way the 2rn and RTE are 'adjusting' the DTT signal to render more non-approved TVs to become non-compliant. At present, series-link suddenly stopped working in July on non-approved PVRs. The summer-time problem suddenly appeared last year and the year before. Now they have changed the order the channels are loaded, putting data channels first, which has screwed up my TVs programme numbering.

Why is there so much secrecy about the mux coding, and what 2rn are doing with the signal? And why so many test cards, yet poor definition on the channels we actually watch? Could they not go [1920 by 1080] for HD and [702 by 576] for SD, given they have the space?

Digifriendly

Using Sony Freeview HD TV and Test transmission page had replaced RTE News Now from its position putting the latter further down the channel list. Fortunately with Sony TV (not their Freeview HD PVR) I can programme sort.

mgc102

Sam Russell wrote: »

Some TV manufacturers deliberately make TVs incompatible to stop grey marketing.

It is further made difficult by the 'helpful' way the 2rn and RTE are 'adjusting' the DTT signal to render more non-approved TVs to become non-compliant.

The EU should make it a requirement that all equipment (TV or PVR) can be used throughout the union in the same way that $ky plus boxes can be used anywhere. I doubt that manufacturers deliberately make TVs or equipment incompatible to stop grey marketing. If I was a $ky plus seller I certainly would hate to see better quality personal video recorders from the grey market reducing the number of subscriptions I sold, especially if these recorders had full compatibility with a free service (i. e. $aorview).

Can we stop with the $ky rubbish? So immature.

Thurston?

mgc102 wrote: »

The EU should make it a requirement that all equipment (TV or PVR) can be used throughout the union in the same way that $ky plus boxes can be used anywhere.

You mean anywhere you can receive the signal from 28 degrees east, & as long as you pay a subscription to Sky?

mgc102

Karsini wrote: »

Can we stop with the $ky rubbish? So immature.

$orry!

mgc102

Thurston? wrote: »

You mean anywhere you can receive the signal from 28 degrees east, & as long as you pay a subscription to Sky?

I don't have a skybox, but is it not the same skybox used throughout the EU just the signal different and the subscription or TV licences that is different depending on where the signal lands. Why can't terrestrial equipment (TV/PVR) have the same standards and technology through Europe like the skyboxes for satellite signal?

Thurston?

mgc102 wrote: »

I don't have a skybox, but is it not the same skybox used throughout the EU just the signal different and the subscription or TV licences that is different depending on where the signal lands.

Could be the same hardware, for all I know, but your UK/Ireland Sky+ box won't have much user-appeal once you leave the footprint of the satellites at 28 degrees east.

Sky aren't an EU-wide operation anyway. Maybe you're actually thinking of satellite receivers in general?

The Cush

mgc102 wrote: »

I don't have a skybox, but is it not the same skybox used throughout the EU just the signal different and the subscription or TV licences that is different depending on where the signal lands.

No, each pay TV operator uses its own proprietary hardware.

marclt

We're waaaay off topic here. Keep it back to the title please, start a new thread if you need to!

mgc102

The Cush wrote: »

No, each pay TV operator uses its own proprietary hardware.

This is in the terrestrial section (not pay TV) and I only used the $ky box as an example of an Europe wide (recording) box. I feel that we are not getting the choices of TV and other related equipment available in other parts of the EU. We should be asking why this is so!
I don't want to upset people who have paid subscriptions to $ky or $ky themselves but if the 2RN changes scrap competition between $aorview plus boxes, $ky plus boxes and other recorders used (some used prior to the digital switchover) I think it $π|nks!

Thurston?

mgc102 wrote: »

... I only used the $ky box as an example of an Europe wide (recording) box.

It's possibly the worst example you could have come up with. It doesn't even record if you don't pay a sub.

mgc102

marclt wrote: »

We're waaaay off topic here. Keep it back to the title please, start a new thread if you need to!

But from reading the posts the rescan/changes are causing problems to equipment, whether the equipment is saorview approved or not( but dont blame the buyer as some may have been purchased before saorview approval was recommended!)

Thurston?

mgc102 wrote: »

But from reading the posts the rescan/changes is causing problems to equipment, whether or not the equipment is saorview approved or not

What problems are being caused to Saorview approved equipment?

Sam Russell

The problems are to non-approved equipment that used to work fine, but now does not. The problems I am aware of are
1: Series link stopped working in July.
2: Summertime stopped working two years ago.
3:LCN number problems because they put data channels ahead of programme channels since the last retune.

All of these could be fixed by minor changes to the data stream.

Edit: I know that they have put the data stream first because when I press [1] the TV shows a hidden channel (greyed out) called SSU, which is a data software update channel. This is transmitted on both mux1 and mux2.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Test channel 12 is now showing a colour bars test card in HD it' not the test card with the clapper sound. Also test channel 21 is now showing a colour bars test card. It might not mean much but I wonder is test channel 12 for UTVI HD and test channel 21 for OTV or TV3+1. I might be clutching at straws.

The Cush

natashaob6 wrote: »

test channel 21 for OTV or TV3+1.

or RTÉ News Now as it was testing there before?

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

The Cush wrote: »

or RTÉ News Now as it was testing there before?

Possibly I had forgotten about RTE News now. I don't know when the test cards changed as I was away for most of the weekend. When I checked late Friday nighr all test channels were showing a philips tesr card except test channel 12 which had the colour bars with clapper sound. So the changes must have taken place yesterday.

The Cush

The UTVI carriage announcement may come this week based on a Sunday Mail article last Sun so they could be preparing for that.

Hotblack Desiato

natashaob6 wrote: »

Test channel 12 is now showing a colour bars test card in HD it' not the test card with the clapper sound.

It is the 'clapper' testcard - but just frozen - or at least it was when I checked yesterday.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

The Cush wrote: »

The UTVI carriage announcement may come this week based on a Sunday Mail article last Sun so they could be preparing for that.

yes I hope so. It would be nice if UTVI launched in HD. Exciting times ahead.

StreetLight

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It is the 'clapper' testcard - but just frozen - or at least it was when I checked yesterday.

Channel 12 had the clapper test with the 2RN Ardghleine caption. This is now full bars.

Channel 21 is now split bars with red raster.

RED L4 0TH

The Cush wrote: »

RTÉ News Now

New style (fonts, colours etc) for it I notice this evening.

The Cush

RED L4 0TH wrote: »

New style (fonts, colours etc) for it I notice this evening.

Hopefully we'll get full SD resolution to go with that.

marclt

I've noticed the testcards have been changing over the weekend. The HD test appeared 'frozen' for a period. Maybe an issue there.

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Test channel 12 is now carrying tone with colour bars. Audio was silent. Just gone silent again.

galtee boy

natashaob6 wrote: »

Test channel 12 is now carrying tone with colour bars. Audio was silent. Just gone silent again.

HD test channel on satellite now lit up with UTVI logo and coming January 1st message on screen. Here's hoping we see the same on this channel in the next day or two.

The Cush

Could the colour bars be coming from UTVI at Macken House, testing the link to Cookstown/Donnybrook?

formerly scottish paddy

The Cush wrote: »

Could the colour bars be coming from UTVI at Macken House, testing the link to Cookstown/Donnybrook?

Very likely, they will need to calibrate the links circuit from Macken House before any promo loop test is broadcast.
I wonder when they will expect viewers to retune, most people will not want to muck about with their tellys over Christmas.

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

Could the colour bars be coming from UTVI at Macken House, testing the link to Cookstown/Donnybrook?

Are we confident that UTVI will be in HD on Saorview ?

The Cush

galtee boy wrote: »

Are we confident that UTVI will be in HD on Saorview ?

No, just an educated guess based on the messing about with the epg recently.

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

No, just an educated guess based on the messing about with the epg recently.

I guess we'll find out in the next day or so. I would think that the promo loop running on the Sky test channels, will appear on Saorview this week.

Machinehead

If test channels 12 & 14 are reserved for TV3 HD & TG4 HD respectively (as was speculated on these forums) where then for UTV Ireland HD?

irishfeen

Machinehead wrote: »

If test channels 12 & 14 are reserved for TV3 HD & TG4 HD respectively (as was speculated on these forums) where then for UTV Ireland HD?

I don't think any slot are "reserved" for any channel - you pay, you get carriage, first come first serve ... i'd say its as simple as that.

The Cush

irishfeen wrote: »

I don't think any slot are "reserved" for any channel - you pay, you get carriage, first come first serve ... i'd say its as simple as that.

That's about it, the only slot reserved is the LCN you pay for, everything else is a moveable feast.

SRB

UTVI's playout/transmission control is in Belfast, in Havelock House.

The Cush

Changes to the testcards this evening

LCNs 9 & 10 (RnaG audio on both), LCNs 13, 16, 17, 22 (no audio),


The existing testcards

LCN 12, HD Colour bars


LCN 21, SD Colour bars

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Test channel 21 now back to philips test card with tone . Test channel 12 still showing colour bars bur audio is now silent.

formerly scottish paddy

SRB wrote: »

UTVI's playout/transmission control is in Belfast, in Havelock House.

How do we know that?

SRB

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

How do we know that?

They recruited playout staff over the summer and the jobs are based in Havelock House.

Hibrasil

Television
1: RTÉ One HD
2: RTÉ Two HD
3: TV3
4: TG4
5: 3e
6: UTV Ireland (from January 1, 2015)
7: RTÉ News Now
8: RTÉjr
9: RTÉ One +1
10- 16: blank
17: Oireachtas TV (Hidden channel, test service)
18 - 199: blank

Radio
200: RTÉ Radio 1
201: RTÉ Radio 1 Extra
202: RTÉ 2fm
203: RTÉ Lyric fm
204: RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta
205: RTÉ Pulse
206: RTÉ 2XM
207: RTÉ Junior (7am - 9pm)
207: RTÉ Chill (9pm - 7am)
208: RTÉ Gold
209 - 999: blank

Upcoming
17: Oireachtas TV (Currently hidden)
TBC: Chilli Hits
TBC: Cúla 4
TBC: Euronews
TBC: Irish Film Channel
TBC: Irish TV
TBC: Ponc
TBC: RTÉ Plus
TBC: TG4 +1
TBC: TG4 HD
TBC: TRTÉ
TBC: TV3 +1
TBC: TV3 HD (August 2015)
TBC: UTV Ireland

irishfeen

Hibrasil wrote: »

Television
1: RTÉ One HD
2: RTÉ Two HD
3: TV3
4: TG4
5: 3e
6: UTV Ireland (from January 1, 2015)
7: RTÉ News Now
8: RTÉjr
9: RTÉ One +1
10- 16: blank
17: Oireachtas TV (Hidden channel, test service)
18 - 199: blank

Radio
200: RTÉ Radio 1
201: RTÉ Radio 1 Extra
202: RTÉ 2fm
203: RTÉ Lyric fm
204: RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta
205: RTÉ Pulse
206: RTÉ 2XM
207: RTÉ Junior (7am - 9pm)
207: RTÉ Chill (9pm - 7am)
208: RTÉ Gold
209 - 999: blank

Upcoming
17: Oireachtas TV (Currently hidden)
TBC: Chilli Hits
TBC: Cúla 4
TBC: Euronews
TBC: Irish Film Channel
TBC: Irish TV
TBC: Ponc
TBC: RTÉ Plus
TBC: TG4 +1
TBC: TG4 HD
TBC: TRTÉ
TBC: TV3 +1
TBC: TV3 HD (August 2015)
TBC: UTV Ireland

Guesswork??

seanin4711

now we can watch crap in hd nice wan!

Hibrasil

it's to be confirmed - August 2015!!!!

mickeyboymel

Question is - Which UTV is to be confirmed, HD or SD?? Its a complete waste if the only have SD at launch

Surely it must indicate an SD Launch with the promise of HD to be confirmed, they are hardly going to launch an SD at a later date lol

irishfeen

Saorview facebook page not confirming EPG No or HD..

What epg number will it be on? Great addition to the platform? ...

Saorview: We'll be announcing this before the end of the week Michael - watch this space