Minimum Alcohol pricing to be signed into Law

listermint

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

I sometimes drink Tesco lager. Sometimes, all I want is an ice-cold beer, nothing fancy or hipstery. Tesco lager is 440 ml can 3.8% with 12 cans costing 6 Euro.

The new legislation dictates that each gram of ethanol will cost 10 cent. So, 440 ml * 3.8% = 16.72 ml of alcohol. I ml of ethanol is 0.79 grams. This equates to 13.2088 grams of ethanol, meaning €1.32 per can or 15.85 Euro for 12 cans as opposed to 6 Euro .. almost triple the price ! There is also a bottle of Old Samuel Kentucky Bourbon, 70 cl for €15 (40%). This will be 28 Euro.

Will pints of beer in Wetherspoons for E2.79 be affected? I can see this being taken to Luxembourg to ECJ.

12 Cans for six euro. This stuff has to be new levels of muck?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

listermint wrote: »

12 Cans for six euro. This stuff has to be new levels of muck?

My homebrew costs me 50 c a litre to make. Price has nothing to do with it.

mjv2ydratu679c

listermint wrote: »

12 Cans for six euro. This stuff has to be new levels of muck?

It's actually quiet nice - have you ever tried it or do you just base all your opinions on monetary value?

rubadub

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

I sometimes drink Tesco lager. Sometimes, all I want is an ice-cold beer, nothing fancy or hipstery. Tesco lager is 440 ml can 3.8% with 12 cans costing 6 Euro.

There is also a bottle of Old Samuel Kentucky Bourbon, 70 cl for €15 (40%). This will be 28 Euro.

yes, I work out 15.83 for the cans. but the whiskey is wrong, a lot of the press were getting it wrong and just copying each other. They forgot the density factor.

So €15.83 is an increase of €9.83, so this is 62.1cent per unit more, €548.96 increase per year for people sticking to the max 17 units per week.

0.700x40x0.789=€22.09

a lot of vodka & rums are 37.5% so €20.71

A 200ml naggin would be €5.92 which is below a lot of the cheaper ones already. So you can imagine youngsters will be going for naggins.

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Will pints of beer in Wetherspoons for E2.79 be affected? I can see this being taken to Luxembourg to ECJ.

Most pints are over the limit, the only one I can think of regularly on sale is paulaner for €2 a pint in Diceys Garden. At 5.5% it should be €2.46

Dr Crayfish

listermint wrote: »

12 Cans for six euro. This stuff has to be new levels of muck?

Don't ever go to Spain where you can get really nice cans of beer for 29c or so

Shelflife

The only way to stop this is if people take the time to complain to their local TDs and Senators and express your views.

This is being railroaded through by a small minority of Zealots who just want to be seen to do something.

The threat of losing their seats is great for focusing the minds of our politicians.

If enough people take the time to ring, email or write if will make a difference.

Dr Crayfish

Agreed Shelflie - I've already written to all 5 of my TDs. I think 3 responded saying they were in favour of the bill. They will pass it regardless but let them know you wont be supporting them in future.

www.whoismytd.com - because I hadn't a clue who my TDs were

listermint

Angie Raspy Shark wrote: »

It's actually quiet nice - have you ever tried it or do you just base all your opinions on monetary value?

Not much of a larger drinker, and yes i make all my decisions based on monetary value :rolleyes:

Reputable Rog

listermint wrote: »

Not much of a larger drinker, and yes i make all my decisions based on monetary value :rolleyes:

You won't be affected so if your only a small drinker:)

listermint

Shelflife wrote: »

The only way to stop this is if people take the time to complain to their local TDs and Senators and express your views.

This is being railroaded through by a small minority of Zealots who just want to be seen to do something.

The threat of losing their seats is great for focusing the minds of our politicians.

If enough people take the time to ring, email or write if will make a difference.

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Agreed Shelflie - I've already written to all 5 of my TDs. I think 3 responded saying they were in favour of the bill. They will pass it regardless but let them know you wont be supporting them in future.

www.whoismytd.com - because I hadn't a clue who my TDs were

Spot on guys!

And encourage friends families and colleagues to do the same.

Most people i say this to never even heard what i am on about. They will be all up in arms after it passes. so time to get them before.

mjv2ydratu679c

listermint wrote: »

Not much of a larger drinker, and yes i make all my decisions based on monetary value :rolleyes:

Dunno what the eyes to heaven are for, you decided its muck based on its price without ever having tried it. Was trying to see if there was a deeper rationale to your logic but I guess not seeing as all i got was a sarcastic reply.

rubadub

Angie Raspy Shark wrote: »

decided its muck based on its price without ever having tried it.

Loads do, I have said many times I reckon beamish might sell better if it price matched guinness, instead many view it as the "cheap copy" for skinflints. I have heard many times asked of me and others "hmmm, what has you on the beamish, changing a keg? bad guinness?".

It will be interesting to see how people decide on beers if min pricing comes in, offies could get in brands people have never heard of before and they will be all confused as to how to gauge the quality -I would guess many will do blind tastes and not relate price to what they like. I remember getting cans of lowenbrau for £1 a good 20 odd years ago, this was among the cheapest you could get in the offie. I remember loving it but others asking the price first and then declaring it crap. The can was also hideous. €3.49 a bottle now in Molloys.

The excise duty on those 12 tesco cans is €4.51, at €6 the pre VAT price is €4.88. So they are likely sold at a loss -I am not certain though, I was reading of some sort of VAT refunds that the supermarkets (or offies) are supposed to do if selling below cost.

mjv2ydratu679c

rubadub wrote: »

Loads do, I have said many times I reckon beamish might sell better if it price matched guinness, instead many view it as the "cheap copy" for skinflints.

The power of advertising I guess, I prefer to taste stuff and then decide whether stuff is muck or not but hey maybe I'm crazy.

mjv2ydratu679c

rubadub wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how people decide on beers if min pricing comes in, offies could get in brands people have never heard of before and they will be all confused as to how to gauge the quality

Price is no indication of quality, for example we have some of the best paid politicians in the world

rubadub

Angie Raspy Shark wrote: »

I prefer to taste stuff and then decide whether stuff is muck or not but hey maybe I'm crazy.

I reckon many would be scared shitless to do blind tastes on some things, petrified incase they discover they have "cheap taste". I remember some blind tastes done on wine drinkers and they could not tell red from white, but I can picture them sneering at people who like a particular red chilled.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/wine/5770943/10-vodkas-put-to-the-test.html

Ian Wisniewski, one of Britain's leading spirits experts, and Tom Innes, the former editor of bar and lifestyle magazine, Theme....


Finally, we finish our marathon and tot up the marks. The scores are close, but we are unanimous in our top three. We open a large brown envelope which reveals the names behind the bottles. Third is Absolut, second is Russian Standard and first is, wait for it, Glen's. Glen's? A supermarket cheapy, distilled in Scotland from sugar beet.
"I don't believe it!" exclaims Wisniewski.
"Nor me," says Innes. "I've always struggled to see value at the top end of the vodka range, which this result vindicates. But I'm astonished."
We retaste it neat and agree that it's still our favourite, with nice spicy notes and a faint hint of citrus and ginger.
But I'm still not won over by vodka. If anything, I'm even more confused. Why spend £30 on Grey Goose or Belvedere, when I can spend a lot less than a tenner on Glen's? After all, I'm only going to slosh it in my Bloody Mary.

1st: Glen's (£8.69)
2nd: Russian Standard (£13.29)
3rd: Absolut (£14.99)
4th: Wyborowa (£15.99)
5th: Finlandia (£14.19)
Joint 6th: Smirnoff Red (£12.19);
Stolichnaya (£14.99);
Belvedere (£30)
9th: Grey Goose (£30.79)
10th: Smirnoff Black (£15.99)

Glens is molasses based, as is tescos cheapest. Many homedistillers would consider sugar based vodkas to be superior. Just hope they do not disappear on the presumption they will not be bought. The fact there are least 2 loopholes should mean they do not (meal deals and combined drink deals).

Hotblack Desiato

rubadub wrote: »

paulaner for €2 a pint in Diceys Garden.

I work near there. Why wasn't I told :eek:

listermint

Angie Raspy Shark wrote: »

Dunno what the eyes to heaven are for, you decided its muck based on its price without ever having tried it. Was trying to see if there was a deeper rationale to your logic but I guess not seeing as all i got was a sarcastic reply.

You clearly missed the question mark in the post

Your turn....

listermint

rubadub wrote: »

Loads do, I have said many times I reckon beamish might sell better if it price matched guinness, instead many view it as the "cheap copy" for skinflints. I have heard many times asked of me and others "hmmm, what has you on the beamish, changing a keg? bad guinness?".

It will be interesting to see how people decide on beers if min pricing comes in, offies could get in brands people have never heard of before and they will be all confused as to how to gauge the quality -I would guess many will do blind tastes and not relate price to what they like. I remember getting cans of lowenbrau for £1 a good 20 odd years ago, this was among the cheapest you could get in the offie. I remember loving it but others asking the price first and then declaring it crap. The can was also hideous. €3.49 a bottle now in Molloys.

The excise duty on those 12 tesco cans is €4.51, at €6 the pre VAT price is €4.88. So they are likely sold at a loss -I am not certain though, I was reading of some sort of VAT refunds that the supermarkets (or offies) are supposed to do if selling below cost.

Beamish is a superior stout, its priced lower to compete because of market share

mjv2ydratu679c

listermint wrote: »

You clearly missed the question mark in the post

Your turn....

"Your turn...." , another witty retort, I can see I'm in the presence of Wildean wit here. Based on price you asked whether Tesco larger was new levels of muck? The question mark is an irrelevance in that statement as it's a leading question. Why don't you just go and try some of it yourself? No point discussing it any more till you do.

oblivious

Lads, please! mkay

enda1

Angie Raspy Shark wrote: »

Price is no indication of quality, for example we have some of the best paid politicians in the world

That's his point!

Brendan Bendar

listermint wrote: »

Not much of a larger drinker, and yes i make all my decisions based on monetary value :rolleyes:

Never saw that Larger brand ..... Not even in JCs??

Geuze

An argument against MUP:

https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/a/Policy%20influence/2017-08-29%20%20(Barra%20Roantree)_1504019721.pdf

See p 3-4.

Muahahaha

Anyone think homebrewing will really take off when this comes in? I used to brew a few years back but fell out of it. Think I will be getting the gear out of the attic again when it does come in. With beers going to cost minimum 2 euro each homebrewing for 40-50c a pint becomes a complete no brainer price wise.

L1011

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone think homebrewing will really take off when this comes in? I used to brew a few years back but fell out of it. Think I will be getting the gear out of the attic again when it does come in. With beers going to cost minimum 2 euro each homebrewing for 40-50c a pint becomes a complete no brainer price wise.

Yes. It was huge in the 80s when there was affordability issues; off licence prices fell as competition opened up in the sector and it became a more specialist interest only then really.

hatrickpatrick

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone think homebrewing will really take off when this comes in? I used to brew a few years back but fell out of it. Think I will be getting the gear out of the attic again when it does come in. With beers going to cost minimum 2 euro each homebrewing for 40-50c a pint becomes a complete no brainer price wise.

I wouldn't be surprised to see off licenses and supermarkets replace their loss leading beers with home brew "kits" that already have the maximum amount of work and time put in that still allows them not to be classified as alcoholic beverages. I do remember being able to buy bottles of fermenting cider from the farmers' markets a few years ago, which wasn't yet fermented enough to be subject to excise, but which was so close to being a finished product that you just had to store it for two weeks and occasionally loosen the cap to let air out, and then it was ready to drink and fairly strong stuff at that.

rubadub

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone think homebrewing will really take off when this comes in?

Not sure, IME most people are put off a lot by the yeast in homebrew beer. Those people used to drinking beers with sediment in them are likely paying above MUP already.

Not sure how much will really change at all, as I explained cheap drink will seemingly still be available as "meal deals" or sold with other products, I could see cigarettes being a big one in offies, so would further make a nonsense of this "health bill". 10 cans will cost you 20euro, with a pack of 20 smokes thrown in.

(7) Where an alcohol product is supplied or offered for sale together with another product (other than an alcohol product) or service, for a single price, this section shall apply as if the alcohol product concerned is supplied or offered for sale on its own for that
price.

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I was calling this a loophole before, but a loophole is more like something they neglected to put in the law which is exploited. This is purposely in there.

BeerNut

rubadub wrote: »

I could see cigarettes being a big one in offies, so would further make a nonsense of this "health bill". 10 cans will cost you 20euro, with a pack of 20 smokes thrown in.

Pfft. No. This will not happen.

BaZmO*

Yeah can’t see this ever happening. Even if by some strange loophole it did happen it’d be shut down as soon as it got started.

L1011

Cigarettes cannot be given away in price promotions anyway, one of the most sale controlled items as it stands. And the MUP for them was legally overturned by the EU!

Mixers given with spirits will definitely be the case though.