Will you wear a poppy 2013?

Jimoslimos

bumper234 wrote: »

Erm....the poppy is a symbol that is used to remember the ones who didn't return.

AND......what/who does it fund? The Royal British Legion have copyright on remembrance it seems.

I don't need to wear a tacky plastic/paper flower to remember anyone, or donate to the RBL coffers.

DyldeBrill

Why would I?

dublinbhoy88

old hippy wrote: »

What "free states" are you on about? Gah, I just loathe it when people refer to the Republic as the "free state".

so a 26 county state which has lost its sovereignty is the Irish republic now..Mmm

Gee Bag

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

so a 26 county state which has lost its sovereignty is the Irish republic now..Mmm

Has been since 1949

old hippy

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

so a 26 county state which has lost its sovereignty is the Irish republic now..Mmm

MMM, it's the Republic of Ireland. Our nation. Where have you been all these years?

I don't do the whole pride/uberpat/I'm more Irish than you bobbins but when I hear people refer to our Republic as "free state" or us as "free staters"... I tend to think of them as .... well, traitors

dublinbhoy88

Gee Bag wrote: »

Has been since 1949

quasi republic

old hippy

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

quasi republic

Treasonous poison. If you don't like the Republic, you don't have to stay there, you know?

Why do you hate Ireland so much?

bumper234

Jimoslimos wrote: »

AND......what/who does it fund? The Royal British Legion have copyright on remembrance it seems.

I don't need to wear a tacky plastic/paper flower to remember anyone, or donate to the RBL coffers.

Oh my.

The money collected for poppy sales in Ireland goes to the families of Irish people who served. Ironically the money that Irish people pay in taxes to the UK government when they work in the UK goes to fund the British army and helps to pay for the ongoing wars.

Gee Bag

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

quasi republic

Do we have a part time monarch I've never heard of?

Zebra3

old hippy wrote: »

And very brave they were, too.

What's brave about fighting on behalf of an empire that is suppressing your own people?

Sir Humphrey Appleby

old hippy wrote: »

Treasonous poison. If you don't like the Republic, you don't have to stay there, you know?

Why do you hate Ireland so much?

Leave him be, he's just upset because he got caught out on his abject lack of knowledge of Irish history.




Again!

dublinbhoy88

old hippy wrote: »

Treasonous poison. If you don't like the Republic, you don't have to stay there, you know?

Why do you hate Ireland so much?

who said I hated Ireland?

Jimoslimos

bumper234 wrote: »

Oh my.

The money collected for poppy sales in Ireland goes to the families of Irish people who served. Ironically the money that Irish people pay in taxes to the UK government when they work in the UK goes to fund the British army and helps to pay for the ongoing wars.

Think you need to look up the meaning of irony.

There's lots of spending by the government (UK) that I disagree with, nothing out of the ordinary there. I've said from the outset that I disagree with the ongoing wars that the BA finds itself in, HOWEVER I've also stated that I believe it is the responsibility of government to provide for those injured or the families of the dead - not pass the cost of war onto the goodwill of the public.

If the true costs of war were adequately budgeted and taxed for I think you'd find a far far lower level of support amongst the general public.

dublinbhoy88

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Leave him be, he's just upset because he got caught out on his abject lack of knowledge of Irish history.




Again!

are you the judge and jury on Irish history?

Matt_Trakker

bumper234 wrote: »

The poppy is still a remembrance symbol of the soldiers who died thought!

From the British legion website:

Every poppy helps us to support the British Armed Forces past and present, and their families.

So, as has been pointed out a hundred and one times already, it is a show of support for every single act that the BA has been/is involved in. It's really that simple.

And by wearing it you show your support for the men who murdered civilians on both Bloody Sundays, the indiscriminate murder of civilians during the capture of Delhi in the 1850s, the first concentration camps of the Boer War, the use of mustard gas in WW1 in direct violation of the 1899 Hague Declaration Concerning Asphyxiating Gases and the 1907 Hague Convention on Land Warfare, which prohibited the use of "poison or poisoned weapons" in warfare. The raping of German women and children during WWII, the bombing of Dresden, the various war crimes committed during the Falklands, and those carried out in Iraq in the 1920s. Acts repeated by a certain Corporal Donald Payne many year later. Despite all these wrong doings, Payne was the first ever British soldier to be convicted of a war crime under the provisions of the International Criminal Court Act 2001
His sentence? 1 year in jail and expulsion from the army.

All taken from here

So by all means wear your poppy, but just remember that by wearing it you're showing you have no problem with any of the above atrocities.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

are you the judge and jury on Irish history?

Not difficult to judge someone who thinks 1916 was a Sinn Fein Rising.
Actually still laughing at that

bumper234

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

From the British legion website:


So, as has been pointed out a hundred and one times already, it is a show of support for every single act that the BA has been/is involved in. It's really that simple.

And by wearing it you show your support for the men who murdered civilians on both Bloody Sundays, the indiscriminate murder of civilians during the capture of Delhi in the 1850s, the first concentration camps of the Boer War, the use of mustard gas in WW1 in direct violation of the 1899 Hague Declaration Concerning Asphyxiating Gases and the 1907 Hague Convention on Land Warfare, which prohibited the use of "poison or poisoned weapons" in warfare. The raping of German women and children during WWII, the bombing of Dresden, the various war crimes committed during the Falklands, and those carried out in Iraq in the 1920s. Acts repeated by a certain Corporal Donald Payne many year later. Despite all these wrong doings, Payne was the first ever British soldier to be convicted of a war crime under the provisions of the International Criminal Court Act 2001
His sentence? 1 year in jail and expulsion from the army.

All taken from here

So by all means wear your poppy, but just remember that by wearing it you're showing you have no problem with any of the above atrocities.

Another one who chooses to tar every soldier with the same brush.

Matt_Trakker

bumper234 wrote: »

Another one who chooses to tar every soldier with the same brush.

I'm wondering do you understand written English at all?

If you go back to some of my earlier posts with you, you will notice that I wrote that I've no problem with fallen soldiers being remembered. But as I've also shown the poppy isn't about remembering the fallen anymore.
Therefore, if you wear the poppy you fully support the actions of the BA, every single action it was ever performed. Wearing something so stained with innocent blood on my lapel would not sit well with my conscience.
I have shown you now what the poppy really means, if you choose to ignore what is blatantly obvious then that's your decision. But at least now you know.

Zebra3

bumper234 wrote: »

Another one who chooses to tar every soldier with the same brush.

If people choose to join a bunch of murdering thugs, they can expect to get tarred with the same brush.

bumper234

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

I'm wondering do you understand written English at all?

If you go back to some of my earlier posts with you, you will notice that I wrote that I've no problem with fallen soldiers being remembered. But as I've also shown the poppy isn't about remembering the fallen anymore.
Therefore, if you wear the poppy you fully support the actions of the BA, every single action it was ever performed. Wearing something so stained with innocent blood on my lapel would not sit well with my conscience.
I have shown you now what the poppy really means, if you choose to ignore what is blatantly obvious then that's your decision. But at least now you know.

And if you choose to wear an Easter lily you fully support the actions of the IRA every single action it has ever performed. Wearing something so stained with innocent blood on my lapel would not sit well with my conscience.

bumper234

Zebra3 wrote: »

If people choose to join a bunch of murdering thugs, they can expect to get tarred with the same brush.

And if you help to pay the wages and financially support these so called murdering thugs as so many Irish men and women are doing right now?

Zebra3

bumper234 wrote: »

And if you help to pay the wages and financially support these so called murdering thugs as so many Irish men and women are doing right now?

Well, you endorse their crimes.

I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

Matt_Trakker

bumper234 wrote: »

And if you choose to wear an Easter lily you fully support the actions of the IRA every single action it has ever performed. Wearing something so stained with innocent blood on my lapel would not sit well with my conscience.

That's a great comeback, echoing my words. :rolleyes:
Even though I've already written I'd never wear an Easter Lily.

Nodin

Piliger wrote: »

I respect respect any fellow Irishman who does so. The British army is a fantastic force, full of amazing heros and many Irish men were heroic to go and fight with them. So put that in your bong and smoke it.

Heroes like these?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/09/malaya-massacre-villagers-coverup

How was it heroic to enforce the rule of an empire?

Bumper234 wrote:

No but I will explain how ANY money raised from poppy sales in Ireland goes to the people of Ireland who fought for the British army.

...and not for the first time, I'll point out that its not a matter of who was born where.

Karl Stein

Nodin wrote: »

Heroes like these?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/09/malaya-massacre-villagers-coverup,

The British government classified the conflict as an "emergency", in deference to the British owners of Malaya's lucrative rubber plantations and tin mines, who were insured for losses from theft, but not for those incurred in wartime.

During the first five years alone, the British dropped 545,000 tons of bombs in 4,500 air strikes. More than 500 British personnel, including the high commissioner, Henry Gurney, 1,300 Malayan police and 3,000 civilians were killed. In addition, the British interned 34,000 people and sprayed hundreds of acres with defoliant.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/09/malaya-massacre-villagers-coverup

Shameful stuff.

Zebra3

Nodin wrote: »

How was it heroic to enforce the rule of an empire?

Because.

bumper234

Zebra3 wrote: »

Well, you endorse their crimes.

I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

So you say every Irish person working in the UK right now endorses the crimes that have been committed over the centuries by the BA?

Brian Shanahan

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

The Yanks did feck all in fairness, no matter how many Yankie propaganda war films tells ya, the Ruskies saved Europe, but only coz they had so much cannon fodder to send to the front lines.

Well in all honesty any serious historian of WW2 will answer when asked when did Germany lose the war with "30th January of 1933".

old hippy

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

who said I hated Ireland?

Well, you refuse to recognise the Republic of Ireland, that's pretty telling.

Zebra3

bumper234 wrote: »

So you say every Irish person working in the UK right now endorses the crimes that have been committed over the centuries by the BA?

No, we're talking about people buying poppies, but feel free to insinuate something that i never said. :rolleyes: