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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #1052
    Johro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    No.


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    #1053
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    What's brave about fighting on behalf of an empire that is suppressing your own people? :confused:

    They were fighting against a greater "evil". Whatever else about other exploits of the British armed forces - and there are many bad exploits (which I absolutely do not condone) as we all know - the Irish fighting in WW1 were brave.


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    #1054
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Nope, the Irish were passing on the movements of German U-Boats to the British embassy in Dublin on a regular basis. They also let English POWs go back some soon after being caught while detaining German ones. There was even a plan agreed between Dublin and London that British forces would occupy the Free State in case of a landing in Ireland, and that if there was a sucessful invasion of Britain the RAF would decamp to a secret airbase in Tipperary so that they could bomb all of southern England.


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    #1055
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    You have been listening to the "Famine song" too much- people should google it to understand the reference Fred was making...


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    #1056
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,871 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    old hippy wrote: »
    They were fighting against a greater "evil". Whatever else about other exploits of the British armed forces - and there are many bad exploits (which I absolutely do not condone) as we all know - the Irish fighting in WW1 were brave.

    Nope, there is nothing brave about fighting for an evil empire in defending a country like Belgium which was at the time raping the Congo.


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    #1057
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    No, we're talking about people buying poppies, but feel free to insinuate something that i never said. :rolleyes:

    Ok so people spending £2 on a poppy to commemorate their grandfather who died in ww2 (yes I know it goes to all soldiers of all wars blah blah blah) is a bad thing because the RBL (a not for profit charity) continues to help ex servicemen who may or may not have been in service when such atrocities as bloody Sunday occurred.

    Working in the UK and paying taxes to the UK government is ok even though some of the taxes paid go DIRECTLY to the MOD and bankrolls the wars that you have all said were so bad and terrible. None of you worked in the UK or had family working in the UK in the 60's and 70's who paid taxes because they would have contributed a HELL of a lot more money towards these murderers than an average Joe on the street buying a remembrance poppy.

    So buy a remembrance poppy = bad

    Pay taxes and directly contribute to war = good


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    #1058
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    So buy a remembrance poppy = bad (non-compulsory)

    Pay taxes and directly contribute to war = good (compulsory)

    Difference.


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    #1059
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    wazky wrote: »
    Difference.

    And just like the brave Irish men who went off to join the British Army our economic migrants have a choice. No one forces them to work in the UK and contribute to wars.


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    #1060
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And just like the brave Irish men who went off to join the British Army our economic migrants have a choice. No one forces them to work in the UK and contribute to wars.

    Well the choice is go and get yourself a job and live or sit on your hole here and survive?


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    #1061
    bumper234
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    wazky wrote: »
    Well the choice is go and get yourself a job and live or sit on your hole here and survive?

    And back when ww1 and 2 where on the option was what? Because back then there was no dole and rent allowance it was work or starve. And surly going by comments of some on here it's better to be on the dole than contributing tax money to the evil British army right?


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    #1062
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And back when ww1 and 2 where on the option was what? Because back then there was no dole and rent allowance it was work or starve.

    Exactly my point?, they didn't join up for some sense of the greater good, it was so they could eat.


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    #1063
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Ok so people spending £2 on a poppy to commemorate their grandfather who died in ww2 (yes I know it goes to all soldiers of all wars blah blah blah) is a bad thing because the RBL (a not for profit charity) continues to help ex servicemen who may or may not have been in service when such atrocities as bloody Sunday occurred.

    ............

    You still don't get it. If somebody served in the BA in Nigeria or Uganda they were part of a racist Imperial system which ran the place. It was the norm, above board etc.


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    #1064
    bumper234
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You still don't get it. If somebody served in the BA in Nigeria or Uganda they were part of a racist Imperial system which ran the place. It was the norm, above board etc.

    And if an Irish person worked in the UK at that time and paid taxes then they directly contributed to that regime. Should we shun the Irish families of those who helped to fund this racist imperial system?


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    #1065
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Just shows the type of people in the British poppy brigade. And how they claim historical fact.

    Wish they'd f**k off back to yahoo answers.

    Brutal empire and thugs. Get over it!


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    #1066
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wazky wrote: »
    Exactly my point?, they didn't join up for some sense of the greater good, it was so they could eat.

    Some did , some didn't.
    Many did at Redmonds behest.


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    #1067
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    Some did , some didn't.
    Many did at Redmonds behest.

    For the deluded idea that it would gain Irish Nationalists their demands...


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    #1068
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wazky wrote: »
    For the deluded idea that it would gain Irish Nationalists their demands...

    Regardless of the virtue, or lack of it, of that idea, it is quite a different reason that was attributed to them by you.


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    #1069
    Nodin
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    And if an Irish person worked in the UK at that time and paid taxes then they directly contributed to that regime. Should we shun the Irish families of those who helped to fund this racist imperial system?


    ....it wasn't possible to avoid doing so. In 1955, it was certainly possible to avoid joining the BA.


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    #1070
    bumper234
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ....it wasn't possible to avoid doing so. In 1955, it was certainly possible to avoid joining the BA.

    now you're just making up excuses for them, what about the people who are working in the UK today, paying taxes and funding wars? Didn't someone recently post a link about a BA soldier executing a taliban fighter?


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    #1071
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    now you're just making up excuses for them, .......

    O. So you're saying that every British person who pays tax (not an opt in system over there) supports the BA and it's activities?

    You haven't thought this through, have ye?


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    #1072
    bumper234
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    Nodin wrote: »
    O. So you're saying that every British person who pays tax (not an opt in system over there) supports the BA and it's activities?

    You haven't thought this through, have ye?

    No i am saying that every Irish person that works there CHOOSES to contribute to the funding of the British army.


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    #1073
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bumper234 wrote: »
    No i am saying that every Irish person that works there CHOOSES to contribute to the funding of the British army.


    ....not unless they moved there specifically with that purpose in mind.

    Again - are you saying that every person in Britain supports all and every action of the BA?


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    #1074
    LordSutch
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    Matt_Trakker wrote: »
    So, as has been pointed out a hundred and one times already, it is a show of support for every single act that the BA has been/is involved in. It's really that simple.

    And by wearing it you show your support for the men who murdered civilians on both Bloody Sundays . .

    So by all means wear your poppy, but just remember that by wearing it you're showing you have no problem with any of the above atrocities.

    I strongly disagree with the above. When I make my contribution to the old lady (Irish Poppy Appeal) selling poppies in Dun Laoghaire, I do so purely as a nod to my dead family members who travelled over to the continent (in both world wars) to fight against Germany/NAZI Germany, and for that reason and the just cause they died for, I wear my poppy with pride. I don't doubt that some people knowingly wear the Poppy (or other symbols) in the knowledge that their deceased loved ones might have been involved in less than honourable deeds.

    I have my personal reasons for wearing the Poppy, and they have nothing to do with any of the events you mention above.


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    #1075
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....not unless they moved there specifically with that purpose in mind.

    Again - are you saying that every person in Britain supports all and every action of the BA?

    They move there with full knowledge that the money they pay in tax will help fund the military machine and therefore they are complicit in the funding of wars.


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    #1076
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    bumper234 wrote: »
    They move there with full knowledge that the money they pay in tax will help fund the military machine and therefore they are complicit in the funding of wars.

    They can also vote out warmongering governments and go on anti-war marches like so many did pre Tony Blair's war.


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    #1077
    bumper234
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    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    They can also vote out warmongering governments and go on anti-war marches like so many did pre Tony Blair's war.

    only if they become citizens. And even then it does not matter because a % of tax goes to the MOD


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    #1078
    whats the point
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭whats the point


    bumper234 wrote: »
    only if they become citizens. And even then it does not matter because a % of tax goes to the MOD


    Since when does an Irish person have to become a UK citizen to vote in UK elections?


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    #1079
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    whats the point wrote: »
    Since when does an Irish person have to become a UK citizen to vote in UK elections?

    They don't. Once they are living in the UK they have full voting rights.


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    #1080
    bumper234
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    Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »
    They don't. Once they are living in the UK they have full voting rights.

    More than 186 days a year and claiming residency you're right.


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    #1081
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    moxin wrote: »
    Great reply, you can't expand your point little bit more? :rolleyes:

    We're talking about the red poppy which supports Britain's armed forces, wearing one means you support the armys wars. If you don't support the wars. wear a white poppy.

    Where did you read that wearing a poppy means that you support war?


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