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Will you wear a poppy 2013?

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    #1232
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    LordSutch wrote: »
    How about 99.9%.

    No its less than that for the Church of Ireland and I would imagine that it would be less again for the Methodists. However it may vary from region to region.

    The Church of Ireland should have ripped out all the military stuff from its Churches decades ago- that is one thing I like about Catholic Chapels in general. There is an element in the Church of Ireland who treat it like an "Anglo-Irish" social club as opposed to a Church of Christ.


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    #1233
    LordSutch
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    No its less than that for the Church of Ireland and I would imagine that it would be less again for the Methodists. However it may vary from region to region.

    Haven't come across a Church yet that doesn't have a box in the porch, but there might be some?


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    #1234
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Believe me, I do know about this.

    Well maybe I just didnt notice. Wouldnt be the first time such has happened but certainly not all members of the Church of Ireland wear Poppies in Church or around the place.


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    #1235
    LordSutch
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Well maybe I just didnt notice. Wouldnt be the first time such has happened but certainly not all members of the Church of Ireland wear Poppies in Church or around the place.

    That's true, and the number is slowly dwindling as time goes by.


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    #1236
    IrishProd
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭IrishProd


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Ah now this seems suspect IrishProd only registered today and has thrown itself straight into a debate where its username is designed for......I smell a troll or double account tbh.....

    I am neither, I couldn't but help noticing this particular thread because of some of the ignorant remarks I have seen, so I participated. What is it that I have said that constitutes as trolling? Is that how you behave with people you disagree with? By making false accusations?

    Do work for the Sindo by any chance?

    Anyway, why should I have to explain myself to you? You're not a mod.


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    #1237
    war29
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭war29


    I will never wear one. I am not British why should I wear one. I don't see any Brits wearing an Easter Lilly.


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    #1238
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    IrishProd wrote: »
    Courtesy of CAIN. The official database on the Troubles from 1969 onwards.

    IRA (Provisionals): Civilian deaths = 510
    Unionist Paramilitaries: Civilian deaths = 877
    British State Forces: Civilian deaths = 186

    British/Unionists: 877+186= 1063
    IRA: 510

    Over double the amount. You can stop it now.

    British unionists are the British army now?


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    #1239
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


    IrishProd wrote: »
    I am neither, I couldn't but help noticing this particular thread because of some of the ignorant remarks I have seen, so I participated. What is it that I have said that constitutes as trolling? Is that how you behave with people you disagree with? By making false accusations?

    Do work for the Sindo by any chance?

    Anyway, why should I have to explain myself to you? You're not a mod.
    Fair enough then never said you were trolling just arrived at a convenient moment is all...no reason to get touchy


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    #1240
    Sigourney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Sigourney


    I'd wear a nice blue one. I've too high a colour to be drawing attention to myself with red.


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    #1241
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    So the IRA were actually the same as the Britsh Army that ruled them?

    If you think that way, was Mandela and the ANC actually just the same as the apartheid regime that they lived under?


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    #1242
    Karl Stein
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    British unionists are the British army now?

    The UDR regiment of the BA was the biggest source of weapons and training for loyalist murder gangs in the early years.

    Then there's the Glennane Gang.

    Then there's this:
    In 1977, the Army investigated D and G companies of 10 UDR based at Girdwood Barracks, Belfast. The investigation concluded that 70 soldiers had links to the UVF. Following this, two were dismissed on security grounds. It found that thirty NCOs from D Company had fraudulently diverted between £30,000 and £47,000 to the UVF. It was also alleged that UVF members socialised with soldiers in their mess. The investigation was halted after a senior UDR officer claimed it was harming morale. Details of the investigation were discovered in 2011.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_loyalism


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    #1243
    Nodin
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    .......

    If you think that way, was Mandela and the ANC actually just the same as the apartheid regime that they lived under?


    Not remotely, nor would I have a clue where you got that notion from.


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    #1244
    Ush1
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Not remotely, nor would I have a clue where you got that notion from.

    What was so different about them?

    The notion that the oppressor is the same as the oppressee? Seems to be suggestion of it by posts in this thread.


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    #1245
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ush1 wrote: »
    What was so different about them?.

    They don't run an apartheid state? Democracy?
    Ush1 wrote: »
    The notion that the oppressor is the same as the oppressee? Seems to be suggestion of it by posts in this thread.

    Well that's the excuse of those trying to justify past wrongs. Total mickey.


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    #1246
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Nodin wrote: »
    They don't run an apartheid state? Democracy?

    But they did and the ANC fought back. Maybe you're missing my point.

    The ANC were insurgents just like the IRA.


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    #1247
    Nodin
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    But they did and the ANC fought back. Maybe you're missing my point.

    The ANC were insurgents just like the IRA.


    Yep, they were. No argument from me there.

    (I think that I am indeed missing your point)


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    #1248
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    Has this thread even got anything to do with the poppy anymore?

    Funny was chatting to a polish fella today in a play park. (Both dads btw before any smart comments) Asked me what the badge was on my top. (Wee metal poppy badge).I told him about the poppy. He said his grandfather was in a polish raf/flying squadron during the Battle of Britain. I took off the wee badge and told him to keep it.

    The Polish were ferocious fighters against the nazis. I've a lot of respect for them.


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    #1249
    IrishProd
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭IrishProd


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Funny was chatting to a polish fella today in a play park. (Both dads btw before any smart comments) Asked me what the badge was on my top. (Wee metal poppy badge).I told him about the poppy. He said his grandfather was in a polish raf/flying squadron during the Battle of Britain. I took off the wee badge and told him to keep it.

    The Polish were ferocious fighters against the nazis. I've a lot of respect for them.

    And despite the sacrifices and contributions they made for the Allies they were still betrayed by the British under Churchill at the Yalta Conference, when he sold out and abandoned the Polish to Stalin.


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    #1250
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    yenom wrote: »
    The money goes to the British legion. They bombed Dublin and Monaghan so NO!

    The British Legion didnt bomb anyone .


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    #1251
    Hilly Bill
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    war29 wrote: »
    I will never wear one. I am not British why should I wear one. I don't see any Brits wearing an Easter Lilly.

    Its not a case of should wear one but a case of would or wouldnt wear one.

    Where did you go looking for them?


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    #1252
    Fratton Fred
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    IrishProd wrote: »
    And despite the sacrifices and contributions they made for the Allies they were still betrayed by the British under Churchill at the Yalta Conference, when he sold out and abandoned the Polish to Stalin.

    Yep, that's right, because after six years of total war, Britain was in the perfect position to go to war against Russia.


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    #1253
    Hilly Bill
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    IrishProd wrote: »
    And despite the sacrifices and contributions they made for the Allies they were still betrayed by the British under Churchill at the Yalta Conference, when he sold out and abandoned the Polish to Stalin.


    Well the UK have sorted that one out now and have welcomed thousands of them to live there.


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    #1254
    SoulandForm
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Yep, that's right, because after six years of total war, Britain was in the perfect position to go to war against Russia.

    Even if they were in a position the decision to declare war on the Soviet Union at that point in history could have led to civil war in Britain itself.


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    #1255
    who the fug
    Registered Users Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Yep, that's right, because after six years of total war, Britain was in the perfect position to go to war against Russia.

    what sums it up is the battlewagons spent 19 45/46 swaying at anchor as the navy had no money to fuel them


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    #1256
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    IrishProd wrote: »
    And despite the sacrifices and contributions they made for the Allies they were still betrayed by the British under Churchill at the Yalta Conference, when he sold out and abandoned the Polish to Stalin.

    I don't necessarily agree with the allies doing what they did at all looking back on it now. Doubt the British would have had much hope against the Russians if it had have went on to that anyway. I know some Americans wanted to head east and take on the Russians at the time. How would that have turned out? Who knows?

    It didn't happen so it it's irrelevant now anyway.


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    #1257
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    IrishProd wrote: »
    And despite the sacrifices and contributions they made for the Allies they were still betrayed by the British under Churchill at the Yalta Conference, when he sold out and abandoned the Polish to Stalin.

    You do realize that Poland had its own rather nasty fascist state before Hitler invaded them, dont you?


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    #1258
    who the fug
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Even if they were in a position the decision to declare war on the Soviet Union at that point in history could have led to civil war in Britain itself.

    as in enough is is enough , people wanted to go home

    Hope you are not suggesting mass support for Uncle Joe


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    #1259
    IrishProd
    Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭IrishProd


    SoulandForm wrote: »
    You do realize that Poland had its own rather nasty fascist state before Hitler invaded them, dont you?

    Gee, I guess that makes everything that happened to them afterwards okay then?


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    #1260
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    who the fug wrote: »
    as in enough is is enough , people wanted to go home

    Hope you are not suggesting mass support for Uncle Joe

    Lets just that Soviet Union was admired within large sections of the Labour Party and Trade Union movement at never more so than in the mid 40s to early 50s. It was only after Hungary in 56 and than Czechoslovakia in 68 that people started to back off from it.


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    #1261
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    IrishProd wrote: »
    Gee, I guess that makes everything that happened to them afterwards okay then?

    Everything that happened to them afterwards? Like Poles catching the flu?

    You will have to be more exact.


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